Let it go, man.
Is Kevin Strootman still playing?
At least you took it as a joke (as was intended)
Alternatives for Frenkie De Jong
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
At least you took it as a joke (as was intended)
I'd like to see more of Iqbal there in pre season. He's about the age De Jong was when he started to get into Ajax's team. It'd be bold to go into the season with him as our first choice 6 so the manager would need to be very convinced by his ability.
Very good description of De Jong. I would argue that though neves is not exactly the same, he can fit with a slight change of things. Not as good though.
Not even close to the same type of player.
We won't be playing Erikson every game I suspect. I am not exactly sure of his medical situation but he's not someone we can rely on. None of our youth can do that kind of job.
If you want like-for-like, the only option is Arthur Melo.
I think Liverpool are a bit past their peak, I think this season will be a bit easier for city.
Yea that's true, with Erikson we would need a DM, with De Jong We need a b2b, but should we be relying on Erikson that much?
That's us then
Agree. It’s going to be a old Liverpool trying to mix with new Liverpool. No Mane, new strikers, salah etc just too much of a mix of different era’s
Matheus Nunez is equally as press resistant and progresses the ball very well. I am not sure if he has ever played deeper for Sporting but I believe he can easily adapt in a Ten Hag coached system. I very much suspect should Silva leave City, he is likely to be the prime candidate targeted by Pep as a replacement.
I'm not exactly sure that he is and, as some here would tell you, that would blow part of our budget
More rumours that we won't get de Jong. I think ETH will turn some of our 'cast offs' into better players. I'd live to see Iqbal or Savage make a cosmic leap up
We will have to pay over £50m for him, in my eyes that is not worth it. I would rather have the youngsters playing over signing someone for that much, when I do not think he is that great.
It will be Erickson
What is the deal with this guy, seems quite good, 25 years old and I read some rumors about Arsenal. Any idea of the asking price for this lad?
There are none. People will come up with a couple of playmakers, but they are not on his level and he is quite unique tactically/knows the manager. Neves is meh.
I would have said Caqueret myself, but he signed an extension.
I would have said Caqueret myself, but he signed an extension.
Neves or Tielemans. Do it do it.
Completely agree with this. I think FdJ's skill set and the level to which he plays means there is no alternative, we would have to change the system.
If Sangare isn't bought by anyone else, paying his release clause towards the end of the window would allow us to play a bit more like ten Hag's 21/22 rather than the 18/19 team.
Whilst I think FdJ would be the ideal choice, we're still going to be a much better team than last season whether we get him or not. Given the improvements we've made elsewhere, he's worth waiting until the last minute for imo.
He is one player that I think, with a bit more experience and growth as a player, could be something like Modric. He's such a well rounded player and two-footed also.
Tielemans is a poor shout, imo. I just can't get over how crap he was last season and I've never bought the hype to begin with.
Neves is ok but very different to FDJ. He needs legs around him as he's not that mobile. Besides, we've already got Savage
Neves is ok but very different to FDJ. He needs legs around him as he's not that mobile. Besides, we've already got Savage
Fabian Ruiz is probably the closest like for like replacement.
Verratti
What about wijnaldum (I know he is ex pool so probably wouldn’t happen) and someone like neves?
Isn’t Kone a similar player? Drops deep and wants to play forward.
Is there a single established CM out there United could get for about the same price who can have the same immediate impact?
I can't name them. So I think United should do what they did when they missed out on Ronaldinho and just sign the best teenager they can find who has that potential.
I can't name them. So I think United should do what they did when they missed out on Ronaldinho and just sign the best teenager they can find who has that potential.
How would that work?
Shame Garner got injured when he did, was really looking forward to seeing him in preseason to see if he would be a viable option not necessarily as a FdJ back up. Would definitely like to see him swapped in for the saucy one, though.
Anyway, I, like others get the feeling Martinez maybe used as a DM, or.........
....How often did ETH play with 3 centre backs at Ajax/Utrecht?
Varane Martinez Maguire .
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Am I being silly?
Anyway, I, like others get the feeling Martinez maybe used as a DM, or.........
....How often did ETH play with 3 centre backs at Ajax/Utrecht?
Varane Martinez Maguire .
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Am I being silly?
I don't think that is the plan at all.
....How often did ETH play with 3 centre backs at Ajax/Utrecht?
Varane Martinez Maguire .
.
Am I being silly?
However, I think if United don't deliver on signing a top class CM he may be forced to play that way. Playing 4 at the back was suicide last season because the opposition regularly sliced through our weak midfield
If Erik stated that Lisandro did not have the legs to play as a midfielder in the Dutch league then it would be mind boggling to me if he would play him there in the Premier League.
If he is going to wait til deadline day for Frenkie I hope he has a good look at Garner because he may be our best option.
If he is going to wait til deadline day for Frenkie I hope he has a good look at Garner because he may be our best option.
Wants to leave Juve, and Juve want rid. Aside from Verratti, he's the only player who's similar to de Jong. The la pelopina turns under pressure, the way he brings composure to the team, the way he drops into the cb position to advance play.
Nowhere near. Ruiz is weak under pressure.
One of those players who is absolutely available (and has been since last summer) and yet no club serious about honours is in for him...Tielemans is a poor shout, imo.
nobody yet, wait and get the right guy not some 3rd choice numpty like we usually do. I am confident De Jong will be coming at some stage in the window. He rightly wants the 20M euros he is owed by Barcelona and will need to hang around to at least make a settlement. If he leaves early without settlement they cannot be trusted to pay him a cent of this. I can see this dragging on but Barca wont want him staying past the end of the window
Menkie Le Pong?
We can't get anyone as good as him. I think it's still reasonable that we could get two inferior players that would at least be upgrades on a Fred/McTominay pairing. Ruiz, Neves, Arthur, Tielamans are some of the obvious names mentioned and while even I have questions marks on them, I think they would all be an upgrade on what we have. I just hope we don't go into the new season being reliant on Fred and McTominay being key players for us. We need bodies and more quality to raise the bar in the midfield even if it means the guys we sign aren't going to be starters in 2/3 years time.
What about Florian Neuhaus? I seem to remember that he was quite highly rated a few seasons ago.
How about Danielle van der Donk?
Tielemans is a totally different player, he’s more of a poor man’s Paul Pogba, we don’t need that.
No reason to buy anyone if Frankie De Maria isn’t happening, have faith in the kids.
No reason to buy anyone if Frankie De Maria isn’t happening, have faith in the kids.
How has he done at Juve? I've not seen him play much since he joined them. Might be a player who just needs a move, but is it a red flag that his stock has dropped in the last 12-18 months?
we’ve lost a few midfielders so squad depth. He is super versatile in mildfield and wouldn’t cost a fortune, he’s available for 21mil which we can do.