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Frenkie to United?


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Or we're the extremely gullible and naive and being deceived again and again by the media and twitter handler who pulls facts trom their arse.
What are you talking about? It’s a fact that they’ve signed a shit ton of players, it’s a fact that they are deeply in debt, and it’s a fact that they keep sacrificing future income to sign a lot of players now.

What I am saying is they are either even more irresponsible and stupid than they’ve been in the past, or there is something I personally can’t see about their economic grand vision.
 

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He absolutely IS going to set old Trafford on fire. Frenkie is unique - a playmaker who will transform the way we play and control the middle of the park. He is everything Pogba failed to be and more. Better than that we are getting him with the coach who gave him his big break, and who knows how to get the most out of him. It’s going to be beautiful, and he may not score all the goals himself but he will be the start of the move, the creator, the instigator and with him behind them Bruno, Martial, Rashford and Sancho will fill their boots.
I could quite believe that but still not confident at all we are gonna sign him. I know we keep hearing if he wasn't remotely interested then would have walked away weeks ago.
 

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He still doesn't fit into their wage structure. No matter how many levers they pull, they want FDJ gone.
Still got this horrible feeling that third lever also sends our hopes of signing him through the trapdoor
 

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What are you talking about? It’s a fact that they’ve signed a shit ton of players, it’s a fact that they are deeply in debt, and it’s a fact that they keep sacrificing future income to sign a lot of players now.

What I am saying is they are either even more irresponsible and stupid than they’ve been in the past, or there is something I personally can’t see about their economic grand vision.
That's the fact, but the myths is that they'd have to sell FDJ or goes into administration which some peddles on here.

And yes, they might not be be the most prudent and wisest, but if you think they're going to go bankrupt in 5 years then yes, we can't see their economic grand visions.

They're not idiot, they knew their books, they'll cook up something.
 

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Sad Frenkie :devil: :devil: :devil:

One of the aspects of this transfer saga I've enjoyed the most is outward displays of acute depression from FDJ acting as a signpost for how likely he is to arrive here. If we see sudden weight changes, substance abuse and death ideation then it's so on.
 

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No, I truly think that when this second lever money comes in they'll pay de Jong what he's asking and he'll move on. With the fee they get from him, they'll buy Silva as a replacement.
Highly unlikely Barca make it that simple for him, however would be delighted to be proved wrong
 

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One of the aspects of this transfer saga I've enjoyed the most is outward displays of acute depression from FDJ acting as a signpost for how likely he is to arrive here. If we see sudden weight changes, substance abuse and death ideation then it's so on.
is it really a saga unless the player is driven into a mental health crisis?
 

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Barca, Bayern, Real Madrid and PSG are desired clubs beyond wages because they are almost certain to win trophies, and also because the weather is a lot better (especially for Barca/Madrid). The one problem with having such an epic league in England is that players look at the clubs with a lot more uncertainty than they do elsewhere. Once you're earning a certain amount, you might give up say £20,000 a week more if it means you can live in a vibrant, sunny city.

There's also the consideration that some players may genuinely just not see themselves as "Premier League style" players.
One thing I really don’t get is why it seems footballers mostly love HOT weather, personally I’d say living somewhere that’s is in the high 30s or been low 40s C is torturous (see Madrid in past 2 weeks).
 

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So in terms of trying to break the stalemate, what is the latest on this one? i've been keeping up with the tweet updates as best I can (killer work week) but there hasn't been much reporting on what exactly is being discussed internally right? At least that is my summation of the tweets. Are Barca and FDJ's rep just staring at each other and taking this to deadline day so they hope either side blinks? All we seem to be getting from our journos is that it's FDJ or Bust and we've still got the green light from this camp to stay in the picture.

What's the latest on FDJ v Barca? Has there been any actual changes? Because i don't expect we'll be getting "breaking news " from the Tier 1's for MUFC as we have successfully completed our agreement with Barca.
 

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What are you talking about? It’s a fact that they’ve signed a shit ton of players, it’s a fact that they are deeply in debt, and it’s a fact that they keep sacrificing future income to sign a lot of players now.

What I am saying is they are either even more irresponsible and stupid than they’ve been in the past, or there is something I personally can’t see about their economic grand vision.
Well 1: there is the distinct possibility they think the tv rights they sold are not worth the value they received because the superleague would come in with an entirely different tv deal and different guaranteed financial structure.

2: They think, whether they give up on the super league or not, that they are going to force the teams that pulled out to pay them, even if it’s in a settlement.

Either way, they believe the super league will make them well financially, and make their “levers” moot.
 

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So in terms of trying to break the stalemate, what is the latest on this one? i've been keeping up with the tweet updates as best I can (killer work week) but there hasn't been much reporting on what exactly is being discussed internally right? At least that is my summation of the tweets. Are Barca and FDJ's rep just staring at each other and taking this to deadline day so they hope either side blinks? All we seem to be getting from our journos is that it's FDJ or Bust and we've still got the green light from this camp to stay in the picture.

What's the latest on FDJ v Barca? Has there been any actual changes? Because i don't expect we'll be getting "breaking news " from the Tier 1's for MUFC as we have successfully completed our agreement with Barca.
Our only chance is barce pulling the trigger and sending FDJ out against his will. Either by paying up or by acting shaddy.

Apart from that he's not coming i think
 

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Barca, Bayern, Real Madrid and PSG are desired clubs beyond wages because they are almost certain to win trophies, and also because the weather is a lot better (especially for Barca/Madrid). The one problem with having such an epic league in England is that players look at the clubs with a lot more uncertainty than they do elsewhere. Once you're earning a certain amount, you might give up say £20,000 a week more if it means you can live in a vibrant, sunny city.

There's also the consideration that some players may genuinely just not see themselves as "Premier League style" players.
I think there is a lot of truth in this. Christensen, for example, was apparently a big Barca fan as a child. It’s not surprising that some guys like him would take 100k or so there over 120-150k at another club.

The question is, how quickly will things change if they don’t win. I could see them winning la Liga this year, but I could also see them limping into champions league if Lewandowski doesn’t produce and Xavi bombs. If they have a few more seasons like this past one, their financials will take a hit and I think they’ll lose a bit of their luster.
 

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Honestly, I don't give a shite if Frenkie decides to join or not. I think that ETH can either develop a youngster, or mold Fredominay into a stop-gap for the season. What's important to me is that this thread exceeds the Sneijder thread in terms of muppetry and despair.
 

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Honestly, I don't give a shite if Frenkie decides to join or not. I think that ETH can either develop a youngster, or mold Fredominay into a stop-gap for the season. What's important to me is that this thread exceeds the Sneijder thread in terms of muppetry and despair.
No despair here my friend. Just pure muppetry and confidence. This is happening. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but this is getting done.

As soon as Barca come to their senses and pay up, this will be done quick
 

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How can they now be interested in Kounde as well and still not repay the players owed money?
Why havent the players asked lawyers to step in and get their compensation owed back?
La Liga why are they sitting on their hands and doing nothing about this?

Force them to be responsible owners and release FDJ from his contract if they dont pay him whats owed.
 

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Koundé is yet another reason why you’d think Barcelona would be willing to just cough up the 17m they owe De Jong. They’ve spent a feck tonne on transfers this summer, so apparently money is of no concern. So what’s 17m in the grand scheme of things if that’s the only thing holding up all this amazing business you’ve done/will do?
Barca doesn't want to get done by other people. Only they can destroy themselves.
 

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I'd have a face like thunder as well if someone robbed me of 17 mil AND told me to have to move from Catalonia to Cheetham Hill.
Once he sees the selection of outlets on Manchester Fort he will be sold. Plus there is hardly ever a queue at the McDonalds on the corner.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't he said this several times before and absolutely bollocks all happened?
why do people assume anything he says is about FDJ?
 

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why do people assume anything he says is about FDJ?
I didn't assume it was. Merely pointing out this is the 3rd or 4th time he's posted the same thing.

Not everything is about de Jong, but it was a quiet night and it's fun to speculate
 

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How can they now be interested in Kounde as well and still not repay the players owed money?
Not sure about the other players.

However, with FdJ it's been repeated multiple times on this very forum Barcelona does not owe him any money legally, that is if my understanding is correct. FdJ signed an updated contract which included his deferred salary and fresh signing-on fee built in over the length of his new contract. The old contract when he signed from Ajax becomes void.

FdJ on his part is perfectly happy/entitled to stay until and unless he is paid his deferred salary and any signing-on fee to facilitate his move to United.
 

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I'd have a face like thunder as well if someone robbed me of 17 mil AND told me to have to move from Catalonia to Cheetham Hill.
Bah! Who wants to nibble at effete namby pamby bits of tapas when you can get stuck into a Santos mixed kebab?
 

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How can they now be interested in Kounde as well and still not repay the players owed money?
Why havent the players asked lawyers to step in and get their compensation owed back?
La Liga why are they sitting on their hands and doing nothing about this?

Force them to be responsible owners and release FDJ from his contract if they dont pay him whats owed.
Everything "owed" still lies in the future. It's an embarrassing and false Social Media narrative, that barca doesn't pay their players. All they did was deffer the payments in the future years on which every player agreed. Barca thus restructred the contracts to pay them more money for the last years of their contract. So why should LaLiga or players lawyers step in on contracts they signed themselves?
 
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