Do you still harbor resentment towards the players for last season?

I never thought it was the players. It was the Glazers building a clown car while there were two Ferraris nearby.

Always willing to give people a second chance under new management if the manager is.

We didn’t somehow randomly assemble a group of the biggest dickheads known to mankind. It was obviously our previous managerial regime giving them free reign to take the piss. That much is blatantly obvious from what’s been said since Ole left.

I think we’ve gotten rid of the worst culprits anyway and most of the players we have left have shown at various points that they are capable of being top pros in the right managerial environment.

Not just last season.

You don't sell junk. You buy more junk. Why hate junk.

No, and I found the pile-on last season quite tiresome - especially the "these same players have now thrown 4 managers under the bus!!" spiel, applied liberally (and illogically) even to Solskjaer's signings.

Every player gets a fresh start. This includes the ones I like and the ones I don't like / rate.

always willing to give players a eighth chance

I still don't like our players for how last season fiddled out. I have to admit though, I probably overestimated their potential once unlocked by a more capable manager than Ole. That turned out to be false, a Tuchel-at-Chelsea like wonder didn't happen but how the season ended with our players obviously not giving a sh** anymore wasn't a good outlook. So half and half, it was a mistake to keep Ole for so long but to get rid of him halfway through the season turned out to cause even more damage.

Regarding the clean slate: For me, the players don't have any right to get that from the fans. Sure, the new guys and the younglings will receive a more favourable behaviour but the rest shouldn't. We have to start being pragmatic and, at least for a while, be as pragmatic as it gets. If a piece doesn't work, get rid of it. Sentimentalities should be something players have to earn.

More resentment is directed towards the club and those in charge of it. The players were shite, but some of them aren’t really capable of a whole lot more. With players like Dalot, McTominay and Elanga in the first team then we’re not finishing any higher than, well, sixth. The club is the reason these lads are starting.

It just doesn’t make sense to think of football teams as a bunch of individuals who you like or dislike depending on how well the team plays. If they’re not good enough or not trying hard enough then they shouldn’t be in the team. The buck will always stop with the manager.

Totally written it off as a shit show all round. I'm happy to see what the new broom brings but then I try not to harbour resentment about anything really.

We've gotten rid of a good few who needed to go and obviously there's a few players on thin ice but if the manager is as good as we think he his and things really have changed behind the scenes they'll be moved on too.

Not a grudge per se, but I've lost a bit of respect for the ones that obviously weren't trying - as much as they tried to convince us on social media that they were.

As for the rest who were trying but things weren't working for (either because they lacked confidence or just aren't of the required quality), I hold nothing against them. If anything I felt sorry for them.

They were mismanaged horrifically. The squad that was assembled was also just bad - not down to quality, but by the makeup and the types of competition. It was stupidly deep in some areas, but in areas where the manager never rotated. Lacking in a few areas which meant average players played in those positions. The whole Lingard thing - keeping him here with 0 intention on using him. Just why? There was so many false promises made to players and a horrible split of gametime that of course there would be a falling out. By the end, you had 10 players who didn't plan on being at the club the following season. That's horrible for any sort of cohesiveness, and with the managers actually just being garbage managers, it was an impossible situation for people to perform in. I genuinely believe if you tossed De Bruyne or Mbappe into that team that they wouldn't have done much last year. So I'm not going to sit here and blame a good chunk of them who really couldn't do much to change the atmosphere or performances. It was beyond toxic, and that stemmed from the managers and the decisions they made.

It was a historically bad disaster year and it's not the norm. Just like when Chelsea collapsed with Mourinho it wasn't their norm.

Yep definitely, at least to some extent. Maybe I've softened slightly as the more I've read (fanzines etc. not the sanitised journalist pieces) as it's clear no-one within the club has a good word to say about the job Rangnick did. And it looks like it was known within a couple of weeks of him joining that it wasn't going to work.

Nonetheless the vast majority of these players now have little to no credit left in the bank with me given the season as a whole. It's time for them to turn up this season.

I think resentment is the wrong word. It was disappointing but I never resented anybody for it. We have had a new beginning and things are looking up, so I prefer to look forward - the new season fans curse I suppose!

Cypriot said:

Always willing to give people a second chance under new management if the manager is.

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You’ve got to pump those numbers up.

On the topic - you can’t put all players in the same category.
No issues with: Sancho, Bruno, DDG
Need to fix up immediately: Rashford and Martial
Beyond hope: Mctominay, AWB
Maguire is somewhere between the latter two categories.

Depends on how well they do now. I often thought it was fitness/tactical under Ole rather than lack of effort and if they all look on it I won’t hold any grudges.

It’s easy for us to say ‘I’d give 100% in United colours every single day regardless’ but we’ve all had good and bad managers before in our jobs and you definitely work better for the good ones.

Yeah I do, more lack of trust. When the results go south and they will with the current players, I don't trust that the same traits won't kick in. I hope ETH gets more in he trusts, I personally don't think we're ready for the season. Good coaching and time will sort some issues, hope he gets the time to implement and change man united. I'm not going to mention particular players, we know who they are. The blame culture, takes time to rebuild trust.

No resentment. Just think most of them are idiots.

Yes, still pissed off at them. They have to earn back the trust and respect now.

Personal and collective standards dropped to totally unacceptably low levels; below what is expected in any professional domain in terms of hard work and integrity. They all need to take personal responsibility for the way the season ended.

Incompetent management does not do enough to excuse the players of some of the absolute shite they served up last season. They have a lot of making up to do.

There's only a bit left and I hope it will fizzle out. I had time for plenty of the players last season who were at least putting a shift in even if their form was awful - like McTom, Maguire and Fred whose form had actually got better. It was certain players who I really couldn't stand based on their appalling attitude in games. I'm so thankful Lingard and Pogba are gone, they were the absolute worst for trying to maintain a competitive team spirit, also seemed like a big source of leaks with the whole Scholesy 'my mate JLings says its a trainwreck in the dressing room' etc.. This also seems to have been proven right after they've gone and Pogba with his 'Utd offered me nothing (£350k a week) shite'. These sorts of players can't be shown the door quick enough in my opinion and I'm delighted they're gone. I would say Rashford still has grounds to make up in the games as his attitude was beyond bad towards the end of the season.

The buck stops with the manager and I got every faith that Ten Hag just won't put up with any bs from any players and enforce standards that go across the board. In which case it is far easier to not be resentful, because you know these situations won't be allowed to fester like they were under the previous regimes.

It's not separable always. For instance, I think Rashford could have developed into a good player but Ole put him on a pedestal, gave him a "free role" and he just hasn't formed his game.

I'm trying not to, and there were definitely extenuating circumstances, but... Many of them crossed the line into insulting the fans with their performances and efforts.

As someone who spent a lot of money attending games, yes it stung seeing what they were doing on the pitch. Basic levels of professionalism were not met too many times.

There are several things that have to change to get back to where we were, in no particular order:

New manager (tick).

New ownership..... (not likely to happen anytime soon).

Get rid of Ronaldo (ongoing).

New stadium or massive renovation of OT, (not likely to happen anytime soon).

Buy a new world class young striker for reasons I know we can't discuss, (not likely to happen anytime soon).

New ball playing goalkeeper? The top, top teams all seem to have one these days.... (not likely to happen anytime soon).

Buy a defensive midfielder (ongoing, hopefully).

Resolve the issue of the captaincy/Maguires form - I think the two are inter-connected. I think ETH should consider Christain Eriksen for the role, it should be a) one of your best players and he has impressed so far plus b) someone who is squeaky clean and HM is not whilst that Greece thing is unresolved.

Buy a replacement for AWB (not likely to happen anytime soon, as other positions are more urgently needing to be filled).

Sort Marcus Rashford out (ongoing, hopefully). I think he is still young enough to adapt, but maybe he needs to step back from politics.

Sort or sell Martial ??? not sure that he is young enough to be coached (can consistency be taught?) but perhaps ETH will prove me wrong.

Cut ties with the past because if you keep looking backwards, it stops you moving forwards. (CROSS)

P.S. Can I also add that after yesterday it might be a good idea to put more resources into the Man Utd women's team because we were a bit late to get involved with that compared to Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal. (not likely to happen anytime soon, because of all the other things on my list). Sad though as it risks making us look a old-fashioned.

Yep

Rashford has to do a lot to win my trust back last season was a disgrace. I have never seen such a blatant 'downing of tools' in my life he was literally walking around the pitch.

People seem to have short memories and have welcomed Martial back with open arms....it wasn't long ego he was requesting to leave during a rough time with the Greenwood situation and Cavani missing through injury, even at the managers request to stay he wanted out and if his loan would have gone better he wouldn't want to come back to the club.

I'm actually worried that the players will stop trying again after a couple of bad results, I don't trust this lot one bit. Although seeing Pogba and Lingard leave is a plus.

Massive Spanner said:

We didn’t somehow randomly assemble a group of the biggest dickheads known to mankind. It was obviously our previous managerial regime giving them free reign to take the piss. That much is blatantly obvious from what’s been said since Ole left.

I think we’ve gotten rid of the worst culprits anyway and most of the players we have left have shown at various points that they are capable of being top pros in the right managerial environment.

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Ole did try to instill discipline.

But, ultimately he lacked the authority to make things stick, he couldn't even keep them wearing suits on match days. When something as simple as that is dumped on the by the players there's no hope, it was all down hill from there.

No, and I never did.

Player power - or whatever you want to call it - is basically a management failure.

And no - I don't mean that individuals are the problem of the manager (or the head coach).

But if a "culture" is allowed to establish itself, then that is on their leader - unless said leader has informed his superiors about the problem, in which case it is their problem.

Oranges038 said:

Ole did try to instill discipline.

But, ultimately he lacked the authority to make things stick, he couldn't even keep them wearing suits on match days. When something as simple as that is dumped on the by the players there's no hope, it was all down hill from there.

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There is no evidence of this. In fact it often appeared he was doing the opposite. There's a reason memes like "Vibes FC" exisited.

Only really have resentment again RR.

People on here were saying we had the best squad in the league and Ole was the only thing stopping us from success. But there is evidence only to the contrary - he got more out of the squad than RR after him

I dont really do resentment, i dont rate a lot of our players and most of them are in prove me wrong territory. My preference would be to sell 90% of them over next 2 seasons or so. If they start acting like model pro's, i'll get over it pretty quickly though. Or at worst there'll be no hard feelings, even if i think they're not good enough.

It's more of a weary resignation.

It's not about resentment they are what they are and we have to deal with that reality. Some want to move on and pretend all is well but it appears more out of a bitterness about RR which in turn was more about crying over Ole.

Most are on their 3rd or 4th chance, we know their good and their bad and those aspects won't change. Only Sancho and Bruno get a second chance pass.

ETH will I have no doubt improve us as a team but the next step towards a title is getting rid of the proven flaws. Fullbacks who walk back, wingers who predictably run into men, defenders who turn like a truck and technically lacking midfielders. Those lads might improve but they won't improve enough consistently.

If you had asked me 3 months ago then Rashford and Maguire. Egotistical off the pitch and undroppable on the pitch.

Ultimately though i don't give a shit about these players anymore its all about going all in on Murtough & ETH at this point, think the latter especially is good enough, motivated enough and detail orientated enough that if you give him 3 years regardless of what happens then he will sort the culture out at the club.

A big problem when it came to any resentment was, again, Ole sticking with his favourites. Which ETH certainly won't do even Donny said this, if you aren't good enough you don't play so why hold grudges? Granted it might be a little hard to do that right now with the weaknesses outside of the 1st team but he also doesn't come across as a manager that is afraid to play youth.

No, it was a failure all around. The players were failed by poor management over the last 3 years and the club allowed the mess to reach the tipping point of last season. It’s a clean slate for ten Hag and Murtough, and the players rightfully should be given a chance to redeem themselves. They are better than what they produced last season.

Depends on who we're talking about i guess.

De Gea was great, Ronaldo was good, Sancho was good mostly.
Some I think just a had a bad year probably from managers and bit of their own issues - Rashford, Bruno, Shaw, Martial
Then there's some that aren't good enough IMO - McT, Maguire, Dalot, AWB - I'd need to see evidence they are good enough because clean slates are bull shi+.
Plenty of others i'm not sure about - Elanga, VDB, Fred

RR was shite. Tried to give him a lot of leeway and he needed more.

I've erased last season from my mind, don't want to remember it, and the two players I truely wanted gone have gone so just hopeful amd looking forward for me.

From what I see a lot of United supporters are still left sore at these players that cracked easily under pressure the last few seasons and threw a few managers under the bus with their lack of effort and unprofessional attitudes. There is a lot of trust to be regained lets be honest and one of the first big challenges for Ten Hag has on his hands is getting a United side that are likeable again for the majority of its fan base.