Huh? What tax would be incurred on a signing in fee that wouldn’t have been the case on his deferred wages?
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Yeah but surely we can’t be that incompetent?!
This was the only hope. But suddenly you realize we are incompetent enough to sent a formal bid for Arnautovic, so pursuing this without having any assurances would not surprise me at all anymore.
So Sean Longstaff it is?
No but I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Arnold and Murtough. Unfortunately, they are now proving to be as incompetent as the previous structure. It is not a surprise that people without experience are failing.
Man, I really want to think so. I really, really want to believe that we cannot be that incompetent but that feels like asking a lot of the club right now
UK tax is higher which means United would have to pay more than the deferred wages. Its the same reason clubs don't activate release clauses directly (because the player has to pay it) so instead they agree the same fee with the clubs
Why were they not part of the old regime?
Didn't Tuchel say they don't want midfielders though?
The equivalent to additional rate income tax in Spain is exactly the same as the UK though? Not sure what you’re referring to regarding buy out clauses because that doesn’t seem comparable to this situation at all. Both possibilities (Barcelona paying the wages or United paying them via a sign on fee or increased salary) would be taxed as income.
Edit: I’m not 100% certain on Spanish tax rates but from what I can the taxation on income is more severe than UK. Can anyone clarify?
It's not a coincidence that we're going for Rabiot after yesterday's shit show. I bet if we'd have won we likely wouldn't have bothered.
Plus we wouldnt have spent months on this deal, rode out a crap ton of Chelsea rumours last week just to pack it in now. The only way we'd walk is if there was truly no chance of us signing him
Plus we wouldnt have spent months on this deal, rode out a crap ton of Chelsea rumours last week just to pack it in now. The only way we'd walk is if there was truly no chance of us signing him
While I'd very much like to believe this, the levels of incompetence shown by the club in the last couple of hours makes me think it's plausible we might have pursued a deal anyway regardless.
They talk a lot of rubbish these managers. If he was able to sign a player like De Jong now with his new amercian stamboehly guy creaming his pants over investing they just spent 50m pounds on Cucurella then they would throw everything at De Jong.
Yep. I wouldn't put anything past them at this point.
Maybe this isn't in effect anymore but wasn't there or isn't there a special tax rate for foreign footballers in Spain?
I am not sure, but given you pointed out taxation as a reason why this wasn’t an option, I expect you will know all of the ins and outs?
This court case doesn’t make any sense. If it reverts to the 2019 (5-year) contract, surely they would owe underpaid wages for the past two seasons?
No, he just said midfielders are "not the first priority". The first priority is presumably Fofana and Tuchel wants that deal completed asap.
Chelsea clearly want De Jong and will sign him if he indicates that he's willing to leave Barca this summer (which, thus far, he has not done).
That's where I have always been on this.
i am starting to hate this posh boy looking prick.
Basically this
There's the Beckham law, but that's just a flat rate for the 1st million though; it's not only for footballers, it's for anyone coming from another EU country paying tax for the 1st time in Spain - it's a fiscal niche that anyone can use if they're eligible for it and it's more interesting than the general regime.
I'm sure there's loads of other fiscal niches though.
FDJ will leave. The core question here is, "is his relationship with ETH strong enough to overcome the Chelsea's more attractive proposition (better team, CL, London)?"
I would wager no. Sure, when you are being pushed out of a job & your former boss offers you a landing spot that's great. But when someone else comes in with a better offer most people would be tempted to pick that over the former boss unless they are very loyal & principled.
I would wager no. Sure, when you are being pushed out of a job & your former boss offers you a landing spot that's great. But when someone else comes in with a better offer most people would be tempted to pick that over the former boss unless they are very loyal & principled.
And if it is indeed illegal, they will be forced to annul his contract and he can leave on a free.
If he leaves Barca, United will be the club.
Yeah this was what I was getting at, I mean its doable, but you won't be paying 17m to make him whole.
At the same time Barca still need to resolve the mess anyway
I live in hope
How the feck can this not end with Barca getting a points deduction and a transfer ban?
The problem I have with getting comfort from this is 2019 when Utd refused to brief they were no longer chasing Sancho when Dortmund had already stated multiple times there was absolutely no chance he was going that summer and they were preparing with him. Dortmund press even laughed when a U.K. sky reporter was at Dortmund on deadline day.
Utd not briefing we are no longer in for him gives me zero confidence right now.
Because it’s obvious football clubs can do whatever they want and they’ll never really face any consequences.
The top top clubs. Derby wasn't as fortunate
It's common knowledge we have a bid agreed with Barca for him. It's very unlikely we'd move on without briefing our journos first to make it look like the issue was with the wages.
If de Jong rejected us do you honestly think we'd stand by and let that happen? Especially with the supposed good relationship with EtH?? We'd brief that it was everyone else's fault but ours
Yeah that’s what I was meaning. I wish we’d get in on the action tbh. So depressed of every other top club doing what it takes to stay at the top and then there’s us trying to sign former Stoke players.
1400 pages of transfer saga ended in envisaged criminal prosecution of our main transfer target?
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It is pretty suspect that Chelsea are willing to cover the salary and they still haven't made a bid.
De Jong must be taking this to the wire to see if he has a chance at Barca and he's told United that.
Even if he has given us the brush off, we're likely not going to make it known that we're no longer after FDJ if we're still negotiating with the guy we're buying instead of him and his club. I suspect we'll make brief the usuals this week that we're no longer in for him and then the thing with Chelsea will accelerate soon after.
Does everyone have de Jong on speed dial or something? Or does he give his number out to everyone.
Pretty sure he knows he has no chance at Barca but there's nothing stopping him trying I suppose. Think United knew this would go to the wire anyway
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