The brilliant analysis by a poster of Bruno Fernandes

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It wasn't overly positive, but it was bang on. Can anyone link that thread?
 

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Give us some more clues mate.

When was it posted, how long was the thread, where in the thread was it posted, what did it say, etc.
 

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Give us some more clues mate.

When was it posted, how long was the thread, where in the thread was it posted, what did it say, etc.
In the last year I think. The poster wrote how fernandes is not the player we all hold him up to be, in fact not good in possession, losing the ball often, trying difficult passes that don't come off too often........
 

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Give us some more clues mate.

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BRUNO IS A GREAT PLAYER BUT A DIFFICULT PERSONALITY
HE CLASHED WITH ETH BECAUSE HE WAS SHIFTED TO THE WING EVENTHOUGH HE WAS WORLD CLASS THROUGH THE MIDDLE
TOUGH PERSONALITY ? HE STILL WON PLENTY CLUB AND NATIONLEVEL
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fecking hell. Everything is so black and white with nothing in-between. I need a break from this forum.
Indeed.

I fear that something along the lines of:

“Great player on his day, as evidenced by the insanely good numbers he produced on arrival at United, but maybe not the ideal player to perform consistently in a possession-based system.”

is too namby-pamby for a lot of posters and it’s seen as more manly to use bold and expressive language like “shite”.
 

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fecking hell. Everything is so black and white with nothing in-between. I need a break from this forum.
Its been very negative in here since the weekend, I think you have the right idea, a break from all this negativity would be good.
 

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Could have been anyone of my posts over the last 3 years I suspect.
 

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I have no idea either, yet.
fecking hell. Everything is so black and white with nothing in-between. I need a break from this forum.
I told you before, get a smaller banning stick, that diamond encrusted Excalibur style thing you had made up is too heavy to lug around. You're not as young as you used to be.
 

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In the last year I think. The poster wrote how fernandes is not the player we all hold him up to be, in fact not good in possession, losing the ball often, trying difficult passes that don't come off too often........
Bruno loses the ball often and tries lots of risky passes that don’t come off?

We need to find the genius behind this forensic analysis. Might have the next Jose Mourinho in our midst.
 

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Bruno loses the ball often and tries lots of risky passes that don’t come off?

We need to find the genius behind this forensic analysis. Might have the next Jose Mourinho in our midst.
Obviously there's an awful lot more than what I just described. It was so bang on at a time when everyone was still convinced he was the dogs testicles.
 

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Bruno loses the ball often and tries lots of risky passes that don’t come off?

We need to find the genius behind this forensic analysis. Might have the next Jose Mourinho in our midst.
I volunteer to kill him. I'll take the hit for the sake humanity.

On Bruno, i think he is supposed to make risky passes, just 15 yards further forward, against a retreating and not static defence and with the shield of a proper midfield behind him. Back foot defenders can help make average passes look good. I think everyone is capable of better, but they a psychological shambles at the moment. Contra to what I said, we may actually benefit from wholesale replacements so that's why I don't have issue with a handful of senior pros like Rabiot to change the energy.
 

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It's not even the risky passes he fecks up but the 5-10 yarder he misses and his lack of strength, agility and speed. It's all a bit frustrating with him at the moment. He's not very good with the back against the goal and also not very good in tight spaces. He was at his best in our counter attacking system under Ole but we (try to) play a totally different style now and I'm not sure it suits him at all.
 

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Indeed.

I fear that something along the lines of:

“Great player on his day, as evidenced by the insanely good numbers he produced on arrival at United, but maybe not the ideal player to perform consistently in a possession-based system.”

is too namby-pamby for a lot of posters and it’s seen as more manly to use bold and expressive language like “shite”.
What's worrying is that he has seemingly regressed at the things that used to be his strengths, too. Which is something that happens to an alarming number of players at United.
 

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It's not even the risky passes he fecks up but the 5-10 yarder he misses and his lack of strength, agility and speed. It's all a bit frustrating with him at the moment. He's not very good with the back against the goal and also not very good in tight spaces. He was at his best in our counter attacking system under Ole but we (try to) play a totally different style now and I'm not sure it suits him at all.
I agree with this. He needs to be free of defensive responsibilities too, because he does damage in the final third. I think he's probably having to compensate for a lack of overall team defending though so feels compelled to track back and "do it all". He would have been a better choice for false 9 against Brighton than Eriksen was I suspect. He does give the ball away infuriatingly often though.
 

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Bruno - capable of being brilliant or being absolute gash.

He just goes for the risky pass all the time. His goals and assists where down to the sheer volume of attmepts made. He could hit the same numbers if he tempered his approach and picked up better positions.

That being said, there was one game last season, might have been the CL that highlights this the most, gave the ball away about 30 times, but created about 6 or 7 clear goal scoring chances. Might have been Atalanta at OT.
 

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In the last year I think. The poster wrote how fernandes is not the player we all hold him up to be, in fact not good in possession, losing the ball often, trying difficult passes that don't come off too often........
This is all common knowledge though.
 

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It's not even the risky passes he fecks up but the 5-10 yarder he misses and his lack of strength, agility and speed. It's all a bit frustrating with him at the moment. He's not very good with the back against the goal and also not very good in tight spaces. He was at his best in our counter attacking system under Ole but we (try to) play a totally different style now and I'm not sure it suits him at all.
I think that hits the nail on the head. He’s superb when we’re counter-attacking, with wide open spaces ahead of us. Which also suits Rashford. They both fall apart when we try to play any other way, as they’re rubbish with their back to goal, working in very tight spaces or as part of a team set up to dominate possession. And their confidence has been completely wrecked by their inability to do what they do best over the last year or so.

I’ve a horrible feeling that’s an unsolvable problem, we’ll be better off without the pair of them and I have zero confidence in our ability to replace them with better players.
 

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His supposed strength in shooting is not even there. Countless screamers for Sporting, none for us.
 

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He put a lot of passes astray against Brighton and should have been taken off early. Iqbal or Garner should have been tried in Midfield where we were being outplayed.
 

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What's worrying is that he has seemingly regressed at the things that used to be his strengths, too. Which is something that happens to an alarming number of players at United.
It really is. A depressing exercise is trying to remember who was the last player to improve during his time at United. Who left or became a better footballer than he was making his debut?

If nothing else, surely that's something Ten Hag will have to fix.
 

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It really is. A depressing exercise is trying to remember who was the last player to improve during his time at United. Who left or became a better footballer than he was making his debut?

If nothing else, surely that's something Ten Hag will have to fix.
That has to be a mental issue. Players don't lose technical ability from changing clubs.

It's just demoralizing to play for United with a fan base that have their knives out.
 

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First season and a bit his shooting was absolutely superb for us. It was actually freaky how accurate his long range shooting was. Gone to shit over the last year or so.
Seems like he he's lost all composure in front of goal now. That miss against Brighton was woeful - I don't know why he'd even think about putting his foot through the ball, rather than side footing it into a corner from that position?
 

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It's just demoralizing to play for United with a fan base that have their knives out.
United have one of the most patient fan bases of the traditional big clubs. Imagine if Real Madrid had been as spectacularly shite as we had been over the last decade. Their fans would have probably burnt down the Bernabeu by now. Or, more realistically, covered it entirely in white handkerchiefs.
 

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Absolutely no worries about any players that have previously demonstrated a very high quality on the pitch. These problems can be reversed with the right coaching and setup, and right now they're suffering because confidence is shot to pieces and because of the low quality of some of the players around them.

It's the players who have barely ever performed to a high standard when we have been riding high or at rock bottom that should be the concern, and there are quite a few of them.
 

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United have one of the most patient fan bases of the traditional big clubs. Imagine if Real Madrid had been as spectacularly shite as we had been over the last decade. Their fans would have probably burnt down the Bernabeu by now. Or, more realistically, covered it entirely in white handkerchiefs.
It's very different I believe, because Real is a club that is less patient as well. They walk over corpses for glory, we keep players to be nice it seems.
 

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What's worrying is that he has seemingly regressed at the things that used to be his strengths, too. Which is something that happens to an alarming number of players at United.
True, sadly. And it’s very much not just him. Fred is maybe the exception, though I never thought he was as bad as most seemed to believe at the start.

What’s even sadder though is that lots of people on here seem to take delight in players struggling, so that they can show off their prescient wisdom by announcing that they “always thought Player X was shite”.
 

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I'm starting to worry about Bruno. This drop in form isnt going away any time soon. Didnt even look good in pre-season.
 

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Absolutely no worries about any players that have previously demonstrated a very high quality on the pitch. These problems can be reversed with the right coaching and setup, and right now they're suffering because confidence is shot to pieces and because of the low quality of some of the players around them.

It's the players who have barely ever performed to a high standard when we have been riding high or at rock bottom that should be the concern, and there are quite a few of them.
That’s a good point.