Not sure I agree. Rabiot is quite skilled at winning the ball in the middle of the park and has the talent to recycle the ball well. I think he would work fairly well as a the deeper more defensive of the two. He's also acceptable in the air, which gives us more solidity in the middle of the park. He's clearly not a top class target, but a cheap and undervalued option. He is in no way creative enough or a skilled enough passer to be a replacement target for de Jong.
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I know we're desperate but we can't give out more excessive wages.
mid we were getting de jong we wouldn’t want him. I think he is one of the plan bs they have talked about.
his major problem alongside rabiot is last seasons poor form. Tielemans was truly awful last year.
I’d prefer SMS but I think kazoo could turn down 45m, and I doubt we want to go big.
Rabiot can command much higher wages next summer when he walks away on a free, so I don't see him lowering his demands now.
Shame, we need midfielder players desperately and I'd happily take anyone who is better than current options, Rabiot fits that bill.
Shame, we need midfielder players desperately and I'd happily take anyone who is better than current options, Rabiot fits that bill.
Except de jong is better as the deeper player, rabiot prefers to play as a box to box, but is actually pretty poor as that type of player. His defending and ball recycling is good, but his progressive play, dribbling forward and goal creation as you say is poor.
I think we might leave too big a gap in midfield with rabiot / de jong.
To be fair, a lot of players fit that bill
Rabiot has ability and is better than what we have however if he is the alternative to FDJ then we're screwed. We must add another and that other needs to be quality and progressing the ball.
Who would pay them? The wages he's demanding are insane for a player of his quality. He looks like a £100k a week player at best.
Personally I think de Jong is at his best when he has freedom to roam the middle of the park, not necessarily sitting deep.
Rabiot has the skill set to be a good defensive midfielder who can cover for de Jong and should not be played as a box to box for the obvious reasons we both point out. He simply doesn't have the ability for it. If we can see that we should damn well hope a coach like Ten Hag can.
I wonder when this will hit the buffers...
He has 145k gross in Juve, why would he want more than 300k here? I don't buy that, no one could be that stupid...
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Rabiot’s mum says it’s a big day today
Yeah obviously click bait. I’m sure wages are probably already agreed. We are just long with everything. Will Keane’s brother probably only works for us on Friday’s so we have to wait for him to do the paperwork.
Wages in Italy are normally stated as net, not gross. He went to Juve as a free agent and I believe they are paying him veeerrry well.
As Pogba and Lingard found out. Yesterday’s fees aren’t todays fee’s. He’s not going to get what has been reported if true.
The are both gross and net on Capology, you can choose that, I choose gross and it says 145k. In net they are 112k
I would assume so as well. Would be surprised if Juve, masters of overpaying for free transfers, managed to sign him for 'just' 145k. They paid Ramsey 400k ffs
He supposed to earn 9m gross. And as a foreigner, he is supposed to only pay half of the income taxes that an italian player would.
Even when you are in the same market, they are contextual. People trying to translate one wage to all the others are making a fairly poor mistake.
This is the link on Capoly to Juventus payroll. It's in GBP and gross, but you can change that
https://www.capology.com/club/juventus/salaries/
https://www.capology.com/club/juventus/salaries/
Well we can but it should be a short team deal only. We're in a position of relative weakness at the moment so we have to pay more. I don't know why we don't offer a big contract, 3 years with the option of a 4th, if we don't make CL in the next 2 seasons he's allowed to leave for half of what we paid for him.
We should do the same for Frenkie. Puts a bit more tension into the club in terms of ambition and expectation
Thanks for the link, great write up!
We are struggling to sign this nothing player now ffs
I don't know if capology are worth anything. The Monaco one is as bad as it gets.
Pull out of the deal and play the kids, with or without Rabiot this side won’t make top 4 he isn’t good enough to make a change to an already poor midfield. 200k a week for Rabiot this thread will be worse than the McTominay thread next summer when everyone realises we’ve signed another dud on massive wages.
They won’t do it but Arnold and co should release some type of statement saying they failed this summer and changes will be made to stop that happening again, I honestly expect the sacking or resignation of Murtough in September this has not only been unacceptable but an embarrassment to the club.
this thread will be worse than the McTominay thread next summer when everyone realises we’ve signed another dud on massive wages.They won’t do it but Arnold and co should release some type of statement saying they failed this summer and changes will be made to stop that happening again, I honestly expect the sacking or resignation of Murtough in September this has not only been unacceptable but an embarrassment to the club.
4 year contract at 10 million a year. No, not for his guy. Panic buying now.
I'm not totally sure either, but which site are better? Are there any reliable ones? If not we can just drop our speculation of wages to a player, as none have any clue at all
The issue is that in Italy for a player paid 9m per year gross their tax is around 1.5m.
converting that British tax regime to earn 7.5m net Rabiot would need to earn 15-16m.
converting that British tax regime to earn 7.5m net Rabiot would need to earn 15-16m.
That’s in gbp so if you assume he wants to take home the same as that in the uk he needs to earn 13m gbp
None of these are good. You can try to find articles from more reputable papers but even then it's largely guess works.
For Serie A, GDS publish wages of all the players which are usually closer to what's reported by Italian journalists.
For other league, especially PL people shouldn't worry about individual wages, it's just PR battle. Just check total wages from official financial report (or usually Swiss ramble puts them in single tweet).
So now that we established what he probably didn't earn at Juve, what did he earn at Juve?
no because wages are important, inconvenient as it may be.
people keep saying he is a cheap, low cost deal when he isn’t. 260k gbp wages is not peanuts. Is he worth it? I dunno, he’ll be worth it if he gets us cl
If United pull out I almost guarantee that Juventus would massively reduce the transfer fee. They are desperate to sell him.
It’s bonkers to think we are willing to pay £20 million for him.
Supposedly 9m gross which is around 7m net. But that's meaningless because the player isn't in the same situation, he is older and not in similar demand.
Thanks, and all very fair points
Gds say 7m net as far as I can tell, and they are supposed to be serie a reliable
When I saw that other locked thread I was hoping it was this one and that the transfer wasn't happening.
I am disappoint.
I am disappoint.
He is older, but supposedly In his prime, and doesn’t seem keen on the move hence he needs convincing.
his mother, againfrom gods reporting wants a pay increase to 10m net, which I can’t see is doing, so will probably end up back at around his net level surely?
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