Getting Champions league football, a bit unfair?

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What with all these players not wanting to play for us because of the lack of Champions League football, got me thinking, some clubs get it easy.
Dortmund, guaranteed Champions League every year from playing in such a rubbish league. Would Dortmund be in the Champions League if they were qualifying from the Premier League? Doubt it.
Then you get all these other clubs, like Olympiacos Bayern PSG, teams that win their farmers league with no effort and then are guaranteed CL money and the players that are attracted to it.
Getting into it from the Premier League must be the hardest task right now.
Bit unfair?
 

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It’s the Champions League. The point of it is for the best teams from each league to go into a prestigious tournament.
The quality of the league is reflected by how many spots they have. We have 4 as we have a tough league…
 

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Is this a serious post? This is the type of language used by people top justify the super league. Of course it's not unfair. Every league has it's own requirements and its unfair to describe them as farmers leagues. What do you want exactly? 6 teams from the Premier League going into the competition? It's the European Cup so teams from across Europe are in the competition. Certain teams play multiple qualifiers to get through. If you can't finish in the top 4 of the PL, frankly you don't belong in the competition.
 

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Is this a serious post? This is the type of language used by people top justify the super league. Of course it's not unfair. Every league has it's own requirements and its unfair to describe them as farmers leagues. What do you want exactly? 6 teams from the Premier League going into the competition. It's the European Cup so teams from across Europe are in the competition. If you can't finish in the top 4, frankly you don't belong in the competition.
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Would Dortmund finish in the top 4?
 

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It's not as if we're competing against the likes of Dortmund or Olympiacos for players though?
 

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UnofficialDevil said:
What with all these players not wanting to play for us because of the lack of Champions League football, got me thinking, some clubs get it easy.
Dortmund, guaranteed Champions League every year from playing in such a rubbish league. Would Dortmund be in the Champions League if they were qualifying from the Premier League? Doubt it.
Then you get all these other clubs, like Olympiacos Bayern PSG, teams that win their farmers league with no effort and then are guaranteed CL money and the players that are attracted to it.
Getting into it from the Premier League must be the hardest task right now.
Bit unfair?
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Its only unfair when you suck. I used to hate being asked where I work at when I was unemployed. Now that I got a job I answer confidence.
 

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UnofficialDevil said:
But we are, why is Bellingham playing for Dortmund?
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That wasn't because of CL football. He rejected us because he had more faith Dortmund developing him - and he was right. We had Cl football the summer he joined Dortmund.
 

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I believe the rules are changing to give teams like us in the strongest leagues extra opportunities to qualify.

I do agree, it can’t be called a Champions League without the biggest clubs in the world.
 

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It doesnt matter if they would or not, they only have to finish in the top 4 in their league. I'm talking about United and if they don't finish in the top 4, they don't belong in the CL.
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I don't disagree with that, I'm saying it's a much more difficult task. Specially now that players won't come to us and would rather go or stay at the teams that are playing in the Champions League.
 

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Bulldog United said:
I believe the rules are changing to give teams like us in the strongest leagues extra opportunities to qualify.

I do agree, it can’t be called a Champions League without the biggest clubs in the world.
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Hope not as 4 is already enough. If the so called biggest clubs can't even finish in the top 4 of their own leagues then they shouldn't be in it.
 

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UnofficialDevil said:
I don't disagree with that, I'm saying it's a much more difficult task. Specially now that players won't come to us and would rather go or stay at the teams that are playing in the Champions League.
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But as someone pointed out above, Dortmund with more money in the PL probably would be in the top 4. It's a difficult task but not unachievable, it's about getting the right balanced team.
 

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UnofficialDevil said:
I don't disagree with that, I'm saying it's a much more difficult task. Specially now that players won't come to us and would rather go or stay at the teams that are playing in the Champions League.
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Look, I know it really hurts right now, but I'm sure you can still sign Arnautovic if the offer gets bumped a bit, so don't let go of that dream just yet.
 

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Premier league is on its way to be a farmers league too. City winning 4 of the last 5 and almost being guaranteed the title before a ball is kicked.

Thank god for the champions league so we can see them lose occasionally. It’s a nice break from them tearing PL sides a new one week in week out.
 

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This is why when I seize power and the means of production, after executing Agnelli and banishing @UnofficialDevil to Siberia, I will ban non-Champions from competing in the Champions League, and I wi
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Aren't you American? Surely the first thing you'll do is close the leagues, franchise the clubs and ensure the owners have a 50% profit margins?
 

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It's more unfair that 4 teams of EPL go to CL rather than the champion of other leagues who they have to qualify in the play offs. CL is getting more and more centralized and the wild card wants to protect big clubs. It's really becoming the equivalent of Euroleague.
 

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It is what is. As strong as the Premier League is, it has only won 2 out the last 5 CL's, so it's not as if the other leagues don't have worthy contestants participating. And Germany as the biggest country and economy in Europe will always have a league that is entitled to having many teams participating.
 

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Premier league is on its way to be a farmers league too. City winning 4 of the last 5 and almost being guaranteed the title before a ball is kicked.

Thank god for the champions league so we can see them lose occasionally. It’s a nice break from them tearing PL sides a new asshole week in week out.
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City almost guaranteed after two of the last four title races going down to the last day of the season?

The Premier League will never be as one horse race.
 

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UnofficialDevil said:
What with all these players not wanting to play for us because of the lack of Champions League football, got me thinking, some clubs get it easy.
Dortmund, guaranteed Champions League every year from playing in such a rubbish league. Would Dortmund be in the Champions League if they were qualifying from the Premier League? Doubt it.
Then you get all these other clubs, like Olympiacos Bayern PSG, teams that win their farmers league with no effort and then are guaranteed CL money and the players that are attracted to it.
Getting into it from the Premier League must be the hardest task right now.
Bit unfair?
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It is extremely unfair to the English clubs and doesn't reflect PL's strength adequately and hence the super league proposal.

It comes down to if you believe the CL should be a competition where the best European clubs play or if it's some social welfare thing to trickle money down into poorer leagues.

Anyway, I think things are changing and UEFA's new proposal post-super league has additional spots for England, so there's atleast one extra spot and a way into CL via winning the EL (+2) and maybe an additional one in some other way as well.

Things are being done.
 

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TheGame said:
Is this a serious post? This is the type of language used by people top justify the super league. Of course it's not unfair. Every league has it's own requirements and its unfair to describe them as farmers leagues. What do you want exactly? 6 teams from the Premier League going into the competition? It's the European Cup so teams from across Europe are in the competition. Certain teams play multiple qualifiers to get through. If you can't finish in the top 4 of the PL, frankly you don't belong in the competition.
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He’s got some kind of point though. A 4th placed team in France would most likely not finish in the top 8 in EPL.

If it’s a true European cup then it would just be champions but that will never happen as it doesn’t bring the money or interest.
 

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What's unfair about it? English clubs already have a massive advantage financially - that's why Sancho is here and not in Dortmund. The competitiveness of the league allows United to be so rich. And United are the 6th best team in England. They don't deserve to be in the Champions League. How many English teams should be in the Champions League then? It's a pan-continental competition. If anything I'd reduce the number of English teams in the Champions League to two like the old days and reduce the competition to 16 teams. Finishing 4th in a league shouldn't be treated like a trophy, never mind 6th.
 

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UnofficialDevil said:
Would Dortmund finish in the top 4?
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Dortmund are infinitely better run than United and would probably be a top European club with resources they'd get for playing in CL. They'd be far more likely to make CL than us.
 

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From next season EPL gets potentially 5 places in UCL under new rules right? If the English teams perform well.
 

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Bulldog United said:
City almost guaranteed after two of the last four title races going down to the last day of the season?

The Premier League will never be as one horse race.
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Six out of the last 11 and four out of the last five tells a different story. The real fun is the relegation battle and top four race, the league has been dead for a while as a competition.

If you’re looking for leagues with more of a title race, La Liga and Serie A both have had more champions in the past 5 years. Fun leagues.
 

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Dortmund are infinitely better run than United and would probably be a top European club with resources they'd get for playing in CL. They'd be far more likely to make CL than us.
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Dortmund are also a far more storied club than Tottenham. Just by playing in the PL, they would far eclipse the amount of money Spurs bring in and would have much more spending power.
 

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The CL isn't unfair. What is stupid though is a player valuing playing 2 or 3 CL games a year more than anything else.

Taking a team like City, Liverpool, Madrid or Bayern that might challenge for the competition I understand but some of the others makes little sense to me.
 

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UnofficialDevil said:
What with all these players not wanting to play for us because of the lack of Champions League football, got me thinking, some clubs get it easy.
Dortmund, guaranteed Champions League every year from playing in such a rubbish league. Would Dortmund be in the Champions League if they were qualifying from the Premier League? Doubt it.
Then you get all these other clubs, like Olympiacos Bayern PSG, teams that win their farmers league with no effort and then are guaranteed CL money and the players that are attracted to it.
Getting into it from the Premier League must be the hardest task right now.
Bit unfair?
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And Frenkie de Jong is planning to go to Dortmund instead of United, is he, because they're in the Champions League? And Ronaldo is going back to Sporting because they're in the Champions League?

Of course not. Wages is the top attractor. If Chelsea get De Jong, it's because they're in the Champions League and they're as rich as us. United have it easy as one of the top 5 or 6 richest clubs in the world. Ajax are in the CL and have been far better than us in Europe and we've been raiding them for talent all summer and just took their star manager. What's easy about all your best players being raided every summer?
 

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Bulldog United said:
City almost guaranteed after two of the last four title races going down to the last day of the season?

The Premier League will never be as one horse race.
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It is more top heavy than Bundesliga actually. The average points per game for league champions in England for the last 5 seasons is 2.50, the average for Bundesliga winners (always Bayern) is 2.36. The only time Premier League was won by a team with less than 2.4 per game was in 2020-21, while Bundesliga champions never got above 2.41. On three occasions PL champions got to 2.6 points per game.

English fans love to bang about how PL is the most competitive league ever but it really has not been for a long time.
 

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It’s the Champions League. The point of it is for the best teams from each league to go into a prestigious tournament.
The quality of the league is reflected by how many spots they have. We have 4 as we have a tough league…
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The problem is, you could easily have five most years, as the quality in the PL should mean that PL clubs should win the EL most of the time to qualify for the CL. But it looks like no English team really cares about this in recent years, since this option exist (except West Ham, who got beaten by a similarly mediocre Frankfurt).
 
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