If he’s shite in the transfer market and we are giving him free reign without a proper DoF, aren’t we going to be left in an even bigger mess?
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
When you negotiate a contract with the employer, ETH would have inserted certain conditions for him to accept the role. There will be compromises otherwise he wouldn't have signed on. Its not some take it or leave it contract offering to ETH.
Do you think ETH thinks he is shit in the transfer market? I doubt it.
All that within a week? Impossible.
2+ weeks more likely -- contract negotiations and then medicals etc?
It's still something United should've been aware off. The reports before he joined us how much power and influence he wanted over transfers combined with his perceived weakness in that field were a bit of a red flag
Which makes sense but long ball to whom? Our front 4 all fall over when touched. Nobody runs. They all want it to feet. None of them can hold the ball up.
It's the same wretched cycle in full swing. The next manager will inherit the previous managers players and will have different ideas. As Ralf said Liverpool and City didn't just bring in two amazing managers. The clubs genuinely prepared for their arrival and knew the football they wanted to play. The clowns on our board are utterly clueless when it comes to football matters and are again pinning it all on the manager.
He didnt want sole power. He wanted to have a proper influence, which isnt abnormal
He said it as an example of what went wrong at the 2nd goal.
We really haven’t given him the platform to succeed with the lack of signings.
However he’s been incredibly naive in his tactics so far. Insisting on playing out from the back when we don’t have the players to do it has cost us massively in terms of mistakes.
He’s also put in Martinez straight into the heart of defence when he likely needs time to adjust to the PL. I wonder whether his confidence now is completely shot.
The players and executive team have let him down, no doubt, but he needs to be more pragmatic with his approach until we can get the players required in to fit his style.
However he’s been incredibly naive in his tactics so far. Insisting on playing out from the back when we don’t have the players to do it has cost us massively in terms of mistakes.
He’s also put in Martinez straight into the heart of defence when he likely needs time to adjust to the PL. I wonder whether his confidence now is completely shot.
The players and executive team have let him down, no doubt, but he needs to be more pragmatic with his approach until we can get the players required in to fit his style.
Jesus Christ… ETH said in his post match presser he instructed the players not to play out from the back, invite Brentford on to them and play the long ball, those are his own words.
I didn’t watch his post match presser. I comment on what I see on the pitch. If he didn’t tell his players to do that then I’m even more worried.
The same people that are slamming ETH are the ones who made fun of Arteta at Arsenal. Look what happened over there.
Give the man time he’ll get us going.
He needs signings. This squad is rotten. Ralf said it: 10 new players.
The funniest people to me are the ones who claim not playing Iqbal is a mistake.
If ETH plays him and he has a bad game, you’ll immediately slam him. I can just see the posts already… “ETH is mad to put a youngster under so much pressure”, “He’s ruining his career”, “Iqbal clearly not ready for PL, why did he play him” etc.
Give the man time he’ll get us going.
He needs signings. This squad is rotten. Ralf said it: 10 new players.
The funniest people to me are the ones who claim not playing Iqbal is a mistake.
If ETH plays him and he has a bad game, you’ll immediately slam him. I can just see the posts already… “ETH is mad to put a youngster under so much pressure”, “He’s ruining his career”, “Iqbal clearly not ready for PL, why did he play him” etc.
He needs to come out publicly and state that these players either adapt or find a new club in the next three weeks.
These cnuts have been mollycoddled for years and need to know that they can’t pick and choose how the team plays.
These cnuts have been mollycoddled for years and need to know that they can’t pick and choose how the team plays.
He said that the players didn’t carry out his tactical instructions but that he is solely responsible for that and the result. The team had let the fans down.
Initially voted for Poch even though EtH's the better manager.
Was sceptical on Erik as he needed foundations in place to succeed ala Ajax and I didn't think he'd get that here and also the PL is brutal.
The whole "Premiership proven" line that was quoted by many is coming back to roost.
I still back him but he needs to learn fast.
It's going to be a long painful season.
Was sceptical on Erik as he needed foundations in place to succeed ala Ajax and I didn't think he'd get that here and also the PL is brutal.
The whole "Premiership proven" line that was quoted by many is coming back to roost.
I still back him but he needs to learn fast.
It's going to be a long painful season.
I agree with you to a point, but tell me this, what do you predict the score will be next week if he doesn't exercise pragmatism?
The ultimate goal is to get there with his style, but we can't be losing 4 nil every week with the excuse of well we don't have the players for this style but we persist anyway.
I reckon there’s a tiny chance we get beat 10-0 and Ten Hag walks out. Liverpool have a habit recently of pushing managers over the edge, this would just be in keeping with the trend of us getting exponentially more ridiculous as time goes on.
It’s even more bizarre then why DDG made that suicidal pass for the second goal.
No he doesn’t as that would be very stupid. Conversations like that need to be held behind closed doors.
I think it is too easy to just absolve him from all the blame.
His idea of playing proactive football does not mesh with the players he has currently available.
So sure, he can stick to his idea and struggle week to week or just adapt to the players he has right now, who are clearly more comfortable with a more defensive, reactive setup.
I think there is a middle ground here and until he has the players he needs, ten Hag should be a lot more flexible and pragmatic in his approach.
His idea of playing proactive football does not mesh with the players he has currently available.
So sure, he can stick to his idea and struggle week to week or just adapt to the players he has right now, who are clearly more comfortable with a more defensive, reactive setup.
I think there is a middle ground here and until he has the players he needs, ten Hag should be a lot more flexible and pragmatic in his approach.
Go with a more balanced midfield in the next game to suit the 4-3-3. A midfield of Erikson, VDB and Martinez would be more balanced.
So he instructed them to play Oleball but they defied him and played ETHball. This certainly is a most curious development.
I am afraid that he cannot do much with our current midfield and attack, and Eriksen was very poor yesterday as a deeplying playmaker. Also worringly to hear that the players threw the game plan in the bin. I think that Rangnick was correct that we need 7-10 new players and CB was not a priority to spend 50m on this summer. Martinez was bought to play out from the back while we have already conceded 6 goals to teams we should beat.
Doesn’t surprise me… another manager the players are ignoring. Getting to a point now where they just need to release them if they can’t sell them.
He has to prove himself. I see several posters debating giving him time and money. Nothing suggest so far his transfers are going to work.
We cannot blindly give him time and players we need to see something in return. He has until December to show improvements or he should be out. We are Manchester united, not fecking Wigan
We cannot blindly give him time and players we need to see something in return. He has until December to show improvements or he should be out. We are Manchester united, not fecking Wigan
I personally already wrote on here that a top half finish in the league this season would be a hell of an achievement. We’ve been in relegation form for the past 6 months and there are no quick fixes. One thing I do agree with Gary Neville is that the owners should come out, speak to the fans and explain what the plan is to get out of this mess, because there are changes taking place behind the scenes and the fans deserve clarity.
If you took the Ajax team from last year and put it in the Premier League, it would probably struggle. It wouldn’t lose 4-0 to Brentford but it wouldn’t be challenging for the Champions League places either. Now we have ETH managing an inferior group of players.
Our ceiling for this season is very low.
Our ceiling for this season is very low.
Malacia was our best player yesterday
To be honest, the transfer business is terrible.
He built a tactic in his pre season (which was going "well") and he had to change it completely for the 1st game of the Premier league because Martial, who is known to be injury prone and was deemed surplus to requirements in January, picked up an injury.
The other alternative was playing Ronaldo who didn't do the pre season and doesn't want to stay so its hard to keep the tactic he worked on during the pre season.
And somehow the most money was spent on a CB while he plans of playing a back 4 and keep Maguire as a regular starter and captain.
So that means Varane will be a squad depth player?
He built a tactic in his pre season (which was going "well") and he had to change it completely for the 1st game of the Premier league because Martial, who is known to be injury prone and was deemed surplus to requirements in January, picked up an injury.
The other alternative was playing Ronaldo who didn't do the pre season and doesn't want to stay so its hard to keep the tactic he worked on during the pre season.
And somehow the most money was spent on a CB while he plans of playing a back 4 and keep Maguire as a regular starter and captain.
So that means Varane will be a squad depth player?
My biggest worry about him so far is that we haven’t really scored a goal from a clear cutting chance.
Dalot’s goal in the last match during a corner which hit him on the back was very poor to average.
Attacking wise we seem to be not in any sort of basic sync.
Dalot’s goal in the last match during a corner which hit him on the back was very poor to average.
Attacking wise we seem to be not in any sort of basic sync.
Yeah I mean scoring one, an own goal, in two matches is bad, but conceding six against Brighton and Brentford is inexcusable
He played the 2nd half. When we were 4-0 down and the game was lost. Brentford just controlled the victory.. Eriksen and Martinez played the first half and they were shockingly bad. ( So was many others )
When will we ever learn on here? Surely 4 managers in 10 years means that changing the manager is not the solution? There aren’t many better managers ETH around, if any.
Still being outrun is a concern to me and it doesn't even look like he's trying to implement a high press. Mid to low a lot of the time. Klopp went high press from the off any Liverpool. Like Carragher said, people laughed at first because it would cost them goals and points, often when they had battered the other team and tired. But eventually, fitness improved and they were destroying teams.
I feel like we'd see more of this if he had any intention of playing this way.
I feel like we'd see more of this if he had any intention of playing this way.
I didn't see that quoted anywhere. If soz not very progressive football from a supposed progressive cowch. Playing on the counter at Brentford? Seriously? This is United!
For me it’s about short term pain for long term gain. It’s important that Ten Hag finds out quickly who can and who can’t play his style of football. There was always a risk that it would result in some poor results at the start. The key thing now will be ETHs mental strength and decision making. He will have to be increasing my tough and try and phase out the worst performers. Personally I’m willing to give him time for a full scorched earth approach.
It’s probably exactly what he told them.. behind a closed door.
Defensively I can put more on the side and blame the players. De gea has been at fault for both game goals. Dalot can’t defend etc.
Attacking wise though - this team has absolutely no ability to basically score a goal the way even an average manager like Ole got us to never mind the result.
He didn’t say play on the counter