Jürgen Klopp Sack Watch

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Although it makes me feel ill to admit I have good friends who are die hard pool fans, taking a neutral stance (which I am not but...) I hope for their sake that they do not get rid of Klopp, it would be an absolute disaster and take them back to square one, same as pre Liverpool Klopp.

Klopp's big problem has always been that he focuses on the 1st 11, he has never had great squad options, this has been his undoing several times over the years.

I also really like Klopp TBH and would not want him going out of the premier league.

It is abundantly clear that to get success in the prem a top manager needs at least a couple of seasons to settle, and longer to get success, firing Klopp Liverpool would need to accept they will get nothing success wise for probably at least 3 seasons, they are far better writing this season off and helping Klopp rebuild for next season.

As a Utd fan I am laughing my socks off, but also think my laughter will be short lived.
 

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TheLiverBird said:
Managed to get into every available game last season losing the league by one point and coming away with 2 domestic Trophies

Proper signs the cycle is ending huh :lol:

we are having a blip, that’s all, having hit the bell on every game last season and adjusting to life with a worldie in Mane, adjustment was always likely

clearly a poor start to the season for our standards, but it’s not a case of we are finished now when you look at how competitive we were last season

there is abit of an injury crisis too
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Oh no, another injury crisis :lol:
Your injury crisis last time you went a bit shit consisted of players who never play too.

who is out at the moment making this a crisis?
 

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Is this really all down to midfield injuries or have teams finally figured them out? I can honestly say the only game they've deserved to win this season was vs Bournemouth, they were lucky to get any other points they've picked up. Klopp looks like he doesn't know the answer at this point. Will be interesting to see if he discovers it again, hopefully he doesn't of course, but I'm expecting he will.

And also, it's really had to argue against this doping thing when they genuinely look like absolute shite every 3 years followed by 2 years of running around like mentalists. If this pattern continues it needs seriously investigating. The only thing that makes me think it could be rubbish is that Mane has carried on where he left off.
 

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Klopp is a fantastic manager and I am sure he will find a way to get Liverpool back to winning ways. But his post match interview was a car crash. Didn’t seem he had any clue to what went wrong and how he can correct it. If it were any other manager it would set the alarm bells ringing.
 

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The psychological damage done by City over the last few seasons and specifically this summer has ruined them. Imagine going all the way to the final day on everything and losing all the bigs ones, then seeing your club stripped of its best player and United, Arsenal, Tottenham and Chelsea all improving around you.
 

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The psychological damage done by City over the last few seasons and specifically this summer has ruined them. Imagine going all the way to the final day on everything and losing all the bigs ones, then seeing your club stripped of its best player and United, Arsenal, Tottenham and Chelsea all improving around you.
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They tried so hard
And got so far
But in the end
It doesn't even matter
 

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In truth FSG have been little better than the Glazers but like the Glazers under Fergie, a great manager has papered over a lot of cracks. I was really surprised he signed the new contract last year, I thought he'd taken them as far as he could without a pretty substantial rebuild. That led me to believe that they were in for a huge splurge this summer.
 

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crossy1686 said:
The psychological damage done by City over the last few seasons and specifically this summer has ruined them. Imagine going all the way to the final day on everything and losing all the bigs ones, then seeing your club stripped of its best player and United, Arsenal, Tottenham and Chelsea all improving around you.
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They're like Frodo Baggins going to mount doom with the ring. Against all odds, with limited resources but with a lot of hope. Only this time, Sauron (City) gets the ring. Now they have to make the journey all over again - but with Nunez instead of Sane - while also hoping evil does not expand further.
 

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I was relieved from what I saw in the second half yesterday. If that teams start on the weekend (yes drop Salah too) then I have no reason to feel nervous. Sure we might not blow away teams but it won't be the shit shows we've been seeing. My preference:

Alisson
TAA Matip VvD Robbo
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Jota Nunez Diaz
 

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If they are smart, they will give him the chance to rebuild the squad.
 

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The issue is actually all up front. At their best, Liverpool's wingers would need to be constantly doubled up and that would open up space for their Robertson/TAA to attack.

This is no longer there now because Salah looks toothless. You'd back your full back to cause him enough trouble 1v1, and your wingers can now pin both full backs back. Now you've negated the wings, they've got feck all in the middle anyway.
 

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Skills said:
The issue is actually all up front. At their best, Liverpool's wingers would need to be constantly doubled up and that would open up space for their Robertson/TAA to attack.

This is no longer there now because Salah looks toothless. You'd back your full back to cause him enough trouble 1v1, and your wingers can now pin both full backs back. Now you've negated the wings, they've got feck all in the middle anyway.
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Their midfield is dire.
 

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I was relieved from what I saw in the second half yesterday. If that teams start on the weekend (yes drop Salah too) then I have no reason to feel nervous. Sure we might not blow away teams but it won't be the shit shows we've been seeing. My preference:

Alisson
TAA Matip VvD Robbo
Elliot Fab Thiago
Jota Nunez Diaz
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Its called game management. Napoli took the foot of the gas. Even then it still could have been 6 or 7-1.
 
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They ain't sacking Klopp, it's just fantasy. I fancied them to have a relatively poor season - which looks likely - but unfortunately, I think that'll invariably lead to Klopp getting a big transfer budget next summer.
 

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Liverpool sacking Klopp this season would be the stupidest sacking ever.

The absolute worst decision ever, I mean I really hope they do it but I just cannot see anyone being that mental.
 

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I don't think they'll sack him but he could well have a melt down and try and invade Poland or something. There will be a 'fahcts' type press conference sometime in october that will signal the end.
 

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I remember in the recent season that we finished second and Liverpool went through a crisis and still finished third, that people were saying teams have figured them out and their attack is too one dimensional etc.

As long as Klopp is there, they will always have a chance to recover and go on winning runs (whether this season or next). Too early to write anyone off
 

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I can’t quite believe the knee-jerkism over this forum, really. :lol: He is having a difficult start in his 7th season after draining campaigns and a number of signals point to him being on his downward way, ok… yet it is just Sep 8 and he earned enough credit as a person and a manager to try and steady (or even save…) his ship well before his job can be considered at risk.The long break for the WC would help him and the hierarchy think better, in case.
 

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MayfieldsFinest said:
In truth FSG have been little better than the Glazers but like the Glazers under Fergie, a great manager has papered over a lot of cracks. I was really surprised he signed the new contract last year, I thought he'd taken them as far as he could without a pretty substantial rebuild. That led me to believe that they were in for a huge splurge this summer.
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This is the precisely the problem. There has been a lack of investment in the squad compared to other big clubs. Eventually it catches up on them.
 

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Robbie Boy said:
They ain't sacking Klopp, it's just fantasy. I fancied them to have a relatively poor season - which looks likely - but unfortunately, I think that'll invariably lead to Klopp getting a big transfer budget next summer.
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He's never had a big transfer kitty when they haven't sold players. This summer's purchases were funded by selling Mane, Minamino and Neko Williams.

Their next lot of games are Wolves, Ajax, Chelsea, Brighton, Rangers, Arsenal. They lose 3 of those by 3 or more goals and he's gone.
 

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Robbie Boy said:
They ain't sacking Klopp, it's just fantasy. I fancied them to have a relatively poor season - which looks likely - but unfortunately, I think that'll invariably lead to Klopp getting a big transfer budget next summer.
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Yeah this is basically where I'm at. I'm already quite at ease with the fact that this season will be a complete write-off, might get top 4 if we get back on track in time, looks unlikely at the moment but a lot of football left to play and we have the WC break which might be in our favour.

He wouldn't have signed an extension last season if he didn't want to stay for a "rebuild", and that isn't done overnight or in one transfer window, especially not if you completely neglect your weakest area of the field. Hopefully he'll get whatever he wants next summer from FSG and we'll take it from there. Sacking him would literally turn the entire fanbase against FSG - the more sensible fans know well enough that they are far from great owners but they just struck gold with Klopp wanting to come to Liverpool. Klopp is on a pedestal for 99% of the fans and rightfully so, one poor season won't ever change that for us.
 

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Zlatan 7 said:
Oh no, another injury crisis :lol:
Your injury crisis last time you went a bit shit consisted of players who never play too.

who is out at the moment making this a crisis?
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We’ve had out all at one time

Jota
Thiago
Fabinho
Konate
Matip
Nunez (3 match ban)

mall key rotational players we haven’t been able too rotate with their abscense

I suspect we’ll get back on track when this situation eases up
 

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It’s a champions league game, it isn’t an Italian broadcaster. UEFA does the broadcast. I can’t see an Italian broadcaster not want to see the failing hero of liverpools reaction to getting battered
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Fair enough. The point being it’s not BT that decide what the camera focuses on. Whoever was directing obviously didn’t want to show that so safe to say they didn’t want to see it.
 

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Nothing impacted me more yesterday than the faces of Salah and Firmino when they were substituted yesterday.

I think that image say it all.

And many more images back it up.

Football like life is made of cycles and one of the hardest things is knowing how to go out at the right time.

A word to Diaz.
The man losing 4-0 had the hunger of a thousand men to reverse the situation.

At a time when Trent, Salah, Klopp, Nunes are being wiped out.

They have a beacon in Diaz.

Hold on to him.
 

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He's never had a big transfer kitty when they haven't sold players. This summer's purchases were funded by selling Mane, Minamino and Neko Williams.

Their next lot of games are Wolves, Ajax, Chelsea, Brighton, Rangers, Arsenal. They lose 3 of those by 3 or more goals and he's gone.
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No he's not. They're not going to sack him, unless you mean he walks which is more likely but still unlikely.

He's pretty much untouchable in terms of sacking unless something drastic happens.
 

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I feel it will take a lot more than a bad start to the season for Klopp to be sacked. They’ll manage to get by and probably sign someone in January and be good again.
 

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TheLiverBird said:
We’ve had out all at one time

Jota
Thiago
Fabinho
Konate
Matip
Nunez (3 match ban)

mall key rotational players we haven’t been able too rotate with their abscense

I suspect we’ll get back on track when this situation eases up
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Nunez
Fabinho
Jota
Matip

didn’t they all play last night, that is not an injury crisis.
 

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thegregster said:
Its called game management. Napoli took the foot of the gas. Even then it still could have been 6 or 7-1.
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Couldn't give a shit what Napoli were doing. I'm talking about us. If Gomez and Milner were still on the pitch Napoli would have 'game managed' themselves to a 8-1 victory.

Looking forward to the weekend game to quickly get over this, hopefully meaningless in the grand scheme, result.
 

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Couldn't give a shit what Napoli were doing. I'm talking about us. If Gomez and Milner were still on the pitch Napoli would have 'game managed' themselves to a 8-1 victory.

Looking forward to the weekend game to quickly get over this, hopefully meaningless in the grand scheme, result.
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If Napoli didn’t score anymore after the 4th with Trent still on the pitch then they had mercy on you and saw it out. What subs you made didn’t make a bit of difference.
 

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Nothing impacted me more yesterday than the faces of Salah and Firmino when they were substituted yesterday.

I think that image say it all.

And many more images back it up.

Football like life is made of cycles and one of the hardest things is knowing how to go out at the right time.

A word to Diaz.
The man losing 4-0 had the hunger of a thousand men to reverse the situation.

At a time when Trent, Salah, Klopp, Nunes are being wiped out.

They have a beacon in Diaz.

Hold on to him.
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He is a 1 goal in 3 player for them. Not a patch on peak Mane.
 

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cyberman said:
If Napoli didn’t score anymore after the 4th with Trent still on the pitch then they had mercy on you and saw it out. What subs you made didn’t make a bit of difference.
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We saw different things then. As soon as Matip came on VvD started defending like a proper defender again. And any breaks Napoli were making were quickly snuffed out by Matip. TAA was taking huge sigh of reliefs as a result.

There's a stat that Thiago won more midfield battles in 27 minutes than the other three midfielders put together before he came on. I didn't need stats last night to see the difference he was making. Again nothing world class but just simple non-shit-show, non-McFred stuff.
 

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Wish he would get sacked, but he won't. He's done too much for that club and they are not going to get rid of him that easily, unlike some other clubs. Didn't he sign a new contract in the spring also?
 

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Dumbstar said:
We saw different things then. As soon as Matip came on VvD started defending like a proper defender again. And any breaks Napoli were making were quickly snuffed out by Matip. TAA was taking huge sigh of reliefs as a result.

There's a stat that Thiago won more midfield battles in 27 minutes than the other three midfielders put together before he came on. I didn't need stats last night to see the difference he was making. Again nothing world class but just simple non-shit-show, non-McFred stuff.
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They were really bad for the 4th goal. At least Konate can come back in for his annual 6 games. He should be back by March.
 

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Can't wait for him to leave, they are a terribly run club and all their weakness will finally be exposed once he fecks off.
Without Klopp, they are not even a top 6 club in England.
Fingers crossed
 

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He's never had a big transfer kitty when they haven't sold players. This summer's purchases were funded by selling Mane, Minamino and Neko Williams.

Their next lot of games are Wolves, Ajax, Chelsea, Brighton, Rangers, Arsenal. They lose 3 of those by 3 or more goals and he's gone.
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I find it highly unlikely they will lose by 3 goals in any of those games, let alone in 3. I fancy them to beat Wolves and Ajax, and maybe a draw against Chelsea. I would also expect they likely beat all 3 of Brighton, Rangers and Arsenal. At worst; maybe a win, loss and a draw, in any order. It would be fantastic if they fecked up and lost a shit load of those games, but I fancy them to somewhat get their act together.

They have never backed Klopp with a huge war-chest unless he has sold, for sure, but I think Klopp may well threaten them with walking away unless he is properly backed next summer. Going into games with Elliott and Milner in midfield, is pretty outrageous.

I would love to believe that Klopp is getting sacked/leaving, but I find it more of a fantasy, than a reality.
 

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Can't wait for him to leave, they are a terribly run club and all their weakness will finally be exposed once he fecks off.
Without Klopp, they are not even a top 6 club in England.
Fingers crossed
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He is definitely holding it altogether. When he leaves, it will be the end of their “dominance”! They won’t ever get a manager to beat Klopp’s record title wins!
 

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Dumbstar said:
We saw different things then. As soon as Matip came on VvD started defending like a proper defender again. And any breaks Napoli were making were quickly snuffed out by Matip. TAA was taking huge sigh of reliefs as a result.

There's a stat that Thiago won more midfield battles in 27 minutes than the other three midfielders put together before he came on. I didn't need stats last night to see the difference he was making. Again nothing world class but just simple non-shit-show, non-McFred stuff.
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Are you concerned about Klopp’s tactics with Salah?

It seems to me that he’s playing your best out of position and having Salah service Diaz and Darwin rather than building the team around servicing Salah.

Will Klopp abandon this do you reckon?
 
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