Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

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Putin basically showing the whole world just how reluctant he is to go all-out in this war.
How is that the case? He's only escalating further, and he can't do much more than this, even with a full-scale war. He simply can't recruit people.
 

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I don't think I like where this is going
Large mobilisation and presumably movement of troops and equipment through the winter whilst they have a referendum

They then declare the region's part of Russia and say any attack on those regions is a direct attack on Russia

A lot of countries won't recognise the referendum and certainly Ukraine won't therefore attacks happen

Then... Well it's hard to see either side backing down
It’s posturing on his part. He’s puffed his tail feathers out now to attempt to cut the counter offensives legs from under them, hoping leaders will be thinking like you say. The reality is the second those areas do come under attack all that’ll happen is the Russian army will turn and run.
 

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Lenin Avenue?
There's Leninsky prospect but no one would call it "улица Ленина" (which is a street that most of the post-Soviet cities and towns have, unlike Moscow). Just don't willingly believe every random thing that you find on the internet.

Same goes for the second tweet — so far I haven't seen any credible reports about the supposed ban and I've seen multiple official rebuttals from different avia companies. Can it happen? Sure. But random twitter accounts reposting any rumor that they come across isn't a good source of information.

edit: they don't need to restrict ticket sales since there are barely any left and the ones that are left cost an arm and a leg (in Shoigu's military compensations :)).
 

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How is that the case? He's only escalating further, and he can't do much more than this, even with a full-scale war. He simply can't recruit people.
By all accounts, no. They don't have enough fully functional equipment to arm the existing force, let alone an additional 300k, but that doesn't mean that they can't give them WW2 rifles and send them to march on Kyiv p.2
 

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Basically how the mobilization of proud Russian patriots will be.

I like the analog some said on Twitter, that we'll see if Iranian women have more balls than young Russian men do.
 

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It’s posturing on his part. He’s puffed his tail feathers out now to attempt to cut the counter offensives legs from under them, hoping leaders will be thinking like you say. The reality is the second those areas do come under attack all that’ll happen is the Russian army will turn and run.
That's about as likely as putin straight away throwing a nuke on new York...

The reality is it's an escalation and it makes finding an off ramp more difficult.

Most conflicts end with some form of negotiated settlement and let's be honest the only ways this one does not involve the collapse of either Ukraine or Russia and right now both those seem improbable

I'm doing quite a bit of work in Ukraine at the moment and I don't see this as a good omen ... It looks to me like an occupying force for the long term and potentially a long running regional conflict with the constant potential to flair up and further escalate which is not good imo
 

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There's Leninsky prospect but no one would call it "улица Ленина" (which is a street that most of the post-Soviet cities and towns have, unlike Moscow). Just don't willingly believe every random thing that you find on the internet.

Same goes for the second tweet — so far I haven't seen any credible reports about the supposed ban and I've seen multiple official rebuttals from different avia companies. Can it happen? Sure. But random twitter accounts reposting any rumor that they come across isn't a good source of information.

edit: they don't need to restrict ticket sales since there are barely any left and the ones that are left cost an arm and a leg (in Shoigu's military compensations :)).
I don’t believe all those tweets, I’m just taking part in information warfare for a long time now because Putin is at war with the west.
 

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Ukraine must not allow themselves to have some sort of Abkhazia, South Osettia, Transnistria or Republic of Srpska type of pseudorepublic. Wipe them pretty much all out.
 

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How is that the case? He's only escalating further, and he can't do much more than this, even with a full-scale war. He simply can't recruit people.
Well most analysts seem to think the only real shot he has at turning the tide is a grand restructuring of the Russian economy and full-scale mobilization to support the war effort. He clearly is extremely reluctant, or perhaps simply unable to, take those steps, half-measures notwithstanding.
 

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If it is a Russian victory or nuclear war, we know what it has to be. Worrying about it won’t do anything about it, so live your best lives in the meantime. The West can’t allow nuclear madmen to carve out the world in their terms.
 

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I can see this as a beginning of that Call of Duty mission where soldiers are plucked straight into action, one gets a rifle, the other gets the bullets.
 

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The West can’t allow nuclear madmen to carve out the world in their terms.
I think they already have.
There have been numerous opportunities for the West to 'stop the nuclear threat' becoming the preserve of madmen, from Patton's idea of continuing 'the push East' at the end of WW2, to Regan's 'Star War's' dominance, in the later part of the 20th Century, but it never happened; now we have a seemingly madman poised with his finger over the button. Diplomacy on a level we have never seen before will be required and the US needs to lead, imaginatively as well as with 'guarded' aggression... maybe Biden will turn out not to be 'sleepy Joe' after all
 

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The cost of Ukrainian military victories will always be further escalation by Putin/Russia. To be brutally honest, he's clearly running out of options. The fact he's gone "partial" mobilisation is an absolute bottle job to start with - shows he can't even commit to a proper one because I imagine he fears an internal backlash. Also Navalny makes a cracking point re: recruiting prisoners - they're the last people you want fighting in the army. A military of drunk petty criminals is going to need insane numbers to overcome a professionally trained NATO equipped one.

I don't know what's going to happen next, but post Feb 24 he launched missiles on every city in Ukraine and a wide scale invasion. In all honesty I can't see Russia doing much more now than potentially reinforcing their gains in the Donbass and being purely defensive, while they try and replenish their losses (manpower is one thing, but the armour and ammunition already lost will require a significant bribe to China to replenish quickly).

All in all, Putin is making this announcement from a position of weakness - the exact opposite to his Feb 24 announcement when he was on the front foot and had the whole world guessing what he was going to do. I hope the end is nigh for him.
 

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If it is a Russian victory or nuclear war, we know what it has to be. Worrying about it won’t do anything about it, so live your best lives in the meantime. The West can’t allow nuclear madmen to carve out the world in their terms.
I knew I should have moved to Fiji when I had the chance!! Living an hour from London isn't exactly filling me with confidence given the latest developments
 

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Their casualties figure is almost comical, how is anyone buying that when in conjunction for the need for partial mobilisation.
 

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@harms A Russian acquaintance of mine published a post that had mentioned Russian riot police had flamethrowers?! Can this actually be real...
 

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@harms A Russian acquaintance of mine published a post that had mentioned Russian riot police had flamethrowers?! Can this actually be real...
I doubt it, I’ve never seen it at least and in general it sounds like a stupid way to go. They have their sticks, electroshockers, tear gas, sound grenades and freedom to torture detainees, that’s been enough so far.
 

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Their casualties figure is almost comical, how is anyone buying that when in conjunction for the need for partial mobilisation.
BBC Russia counts all the deaths that are getting mentioned by the official sources (by name, openly) and even that figure that obviously is way lower than the actual estimate is higher than Shoigu’s.
 

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This nation deserves everything that’s coming its way now (and for the decades), slave mentality embedded into their DNA.
 

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All advanced NATO/US weapons should now be on the table for Ukraine. Make the technological disparity so steep that no amount of meat will be enough to hold on to occupied territories.
 

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This nation deserves everything that’s coming its way now (and for the decades), slave mentality embedded into their DNA.
Still a lot more cities to go, there is still a chance we might witness double digits in Moscow or St Petersburg.
 

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Has there ever been a civil war in Russia?
I won’t belittle your question as others have done. Yes, which is probably why the idea of another revolution is referenced a lot throughout this thread and generally pops up when talking about Russia given it was recent history (100years ago). Fascinating but horrible period of history.
 

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I won’t belittle your question as others have done. Yes, which is probably why the idea of another revolution is referenced a lot throughout this thread and generally pops up when talking about Russia given it was recent history (100years ago). Fascinating but horrible period of history.
The context is generally important too, Russia performed terribly in WWI which led to a bloody revolution, assassination of whole royal family including the children and complete overhaul of system.

They are performing poorly in war right now too, and they also have autocratic leader.