I haven't watched him anywhere near enough to have a strong opinion, but that is my impression as well. He could very well develop his game into a deeper role, but most likely he'll go on to be at his best as the most attacking of a midfield three. Like a De Bruyne, Iniesta, Pogba, Gerrard, etc. All of them can/could play in a deeper role (actually not sure if I remember KDB playing deeper), but you won't get the best out of them and it unbalances the team as a whole. I feel that is where Bellingham is heading as well, although obviously at his age that could certainly change.
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Another hyped up English player. Every season there has to one that people over hype English player to the moon and back, I have never watched this guy play and think Wow he is amazing and future world class player. England really don't have any decent midfielders so anyone that pops up and shows a little talent, he becomes the one. Rice, Philips, Henderson is his competition 
His age is the only thing going for him.
His age is the only thing going for him.
Tchouameni, Camavinga and Bellingham is (on paper) an unbelievable midfield to have for the best part of 10 years.
Right, so how many times have you watched him play 90 mins that are not England games?Another hyped up English player. Every season there has to one that people over hype English player to the moon and back, I have never watched this guy play and think Wow he is amazing and future world class player. England really don't have any decent midfielders so anyone that pops up and shows a little talent, he becomes the one. Rice, Philips, Henderson is his competition
His age is the only thing going for him.
Clearly age isnt the only thing going for him when literally all the top clubs are after him. Liverpool, City, Real but ofcourse you can run your agenda that he is hyped up English player without realising what a talent he is.
Top clubs after you doesn't mean shit. Maguire, Alexis, Lukaku, Nunez etc were all sort after by big clubs how did that go?
Another media overhyped English player?
Would Jermaine Jenas be a lazy comparison?
Young debut and rise, burst on the scene, energetic, all around action midfielder?
Young debut and rise, burst on the scene, energetic, all around action midfielder?
Bellingham is just pure class. He hasn't even unlocked even a quarter of what he can do. The next generation of top midfielders in Europe is very very deep
Yes. Not remotely as powerful nor as talented. He us more akin to Pogba's rise. But blessed with better defensive and postional nous
I don’t think they pay what he’s going to cost or the wages he will be able to demand. Only a small pool of clubs will do it. Not sure liverpool will.
Yes of course
At the age Jude is at lets look.
1 other club went after Maguire, CIty
Alexis has won the La Liga, Italian league, 3 cups in 3 different countries, scored loads of goals for Barca and Arsenal.
Lukaku goal scoring record speaks for itself, has italian cup and league.
Nunez has been at Liverpool what 1 month and you think he is a flop?
Clearly you haven't done your research.
Saw some news that Liverpool offered Keita + 20 millions for Bellingham.
They probably forgot to say please, that's why it was rejected.
They probably forgot to say please, that's why it was rejected.
Bidding war upcoming.
RM: Offer you the Kroos role for a decade, alongside Vinicius, Tchouameni, Camavinga, Valverde, and Rodrygo.
FCB: Offer you the Busquets role for a decade, alongside Fati, Pedri, Gavi, and Demboux.
MCFC: Offer you the Ilkay, later the Kevin role for a decade, alongside Foden, Haaland, and Saka, soon.
LFC: Offer you new teeth, and troubles for a decade.
Every other EPL title chasing side: Offer you never seen contract details.
NUFC: Hold your horses!
PSG: Moustache, la baguette, eh-là, fromage!
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I'd say much is about how Camavinga settles in. If he ends up with a great season, RM may change their minds and go after another position; a premium wingback or winger. In that case, perhaps steel Nuno from PSG, or Saka from AFC, or Cancelo from MCFC?
However, when Camavinga isn't able to change RMs assessment, I see them going down the Bellingham at all costs road next summer. Given the player remains open to a transfer into EPL and stays true to his attitude that Dortmund shall benefit big time, this can well mean a price tag never seen for an English player.
RM: Offer you the Kroos role for a decade, alongside Vinicius, Tchouameni, Camavinga, Valverde, and Rodrygo.
FCB: Offer you the Busquets role for a decade, alongside Fati, Pedri, Gavi, and Demboux.
MCFC: Offer you the Ilkay, later the Kevin role for a decade, alongside Foden, Haaland, and Saka, soon.
LFC: Offer you new teeth, and troubles for a decade.
Every other EPL title chasing side: Offer you never seen contract details.
NUFC: Hold your horses!
PSG: Moustache, la baguette, eh-là, fromage!
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I'd say much is about how Camavinga settles in. If he ends up with a great season, RM may change their minds and go after another position; a premium wingback or winger. In that case, perhaps steel Nuno from PSG, or Saka from AFC, or Cancelo from MCFC?
However, when Camavinga isn't able to change RMs assessment, I see them going down the Bellingham at all costs road next summer. Given the player remains open to a transfer into EPL and stays true to his attitude that Dortmund shall benefit big time, this can well mean a price tag never seen for an English player.
Probably headed for Madrid id say.
We have been linked but we wont get him, we will sign Rice
We have been linked but we wont get him, we will sign Rice
Yeah can’t see him going to Chelsea at all tbh
Haaland will be pushing this kid to join him at City but really how much long will Pep be there?
In your own example you said big clubs including City after Bellingham, now I say Maguire was wanted by big clubs and you say just City, so? Does it matter if it was one top club or ten?
Also what has previous achievements got to do with this? I am confused, we are talking about if the money spent will be worth it. You even booster my argument because people who have achieved more have flopped going to big clubs how much more Bellingham who has done diddly squat.
I don't think we'll go for him for several reasons
1. we don't have the money(Dortmund will want more 100m euros)
2. the money that we do have we'll invest on a striker
3. we have Scott that looks good right now and Casemiro that added to the squad
4. we also have a few talented boys from the academy to complete the squad
5. The CM position is less important now than other positions such CF, RB, GK
1. we don't have the money(Dortmund will want more 100m euros)
2. the money that we do have we'll invest on a striker
3. we have Scott that looks good right now and Casemiro that added to the squad
4. we also have a few talented boys from the academy to complete the squad
5. The CM position is less important now than other positions such CF, RB, GK
yes, we saw how Maguire turned out, so one bad one = every transfer is bad?
We can talk about my example all we like, you clearly dodged the question about how many club games you watched him play and also moved the goal post. Initially, you said another hyped up English player.
Then went onto give me a Chilean, Uruguayian and Belgian example.
Ohh so you are talking about money spent, how much was spent on Alexis? He came on a free / swap.
So are you saying Nunez is a flop ? Surely judging a player based on 5 games is a bit stupid
Bellingham? Yeh no chance.
Rice - one of the worst kept secrets in football where his next move will be
I think Casemiro would be a great defensive partner for Bellingham to push on from. Kinda similar to the Makelele and Essien pairing
Yeah Jude. Chelsea his least likely destination.
Both massively overrated at the sort of £100 million + fees being mentioned.
Neither have done anything to justify being worth that sort of money. English premium tax has been well and truly applied!
At 19 years old I think there’s enormous potential there. He already plays with a level of maturity beyond his years. I just hope he’s given time to develop and doesn’t have pressure heaped on him by the media, the last thing he needs is to have a couple of really good games then have the English media trying to paint him as the next Zidane.
Would be foolish for Madrid to have a 20 year old kid as a starter in midfield when we already have other youngsters, and he won't join Madrid unless he is guaranteed a credible shot at starting (basically Kroos & Modric both need to leave). We need to go for at least one experienced player, who's seen it all, even if he is on the wrong side of 30. If City don't win the CL this season, I'd be delighted if we went for a 32y old De Bruyne for a few years. I love Bernardo Silva too but I think we have his skill sets covered with Valverde and Camavinga.
Also I feel he is a bit overhyped based on the 2-3 Dortmund matches I've seen this season. He's good but I got a better feeling watching Valverde (when he first started under Zidane) and Tchouameni (again 2-3 matches I saw last season).
EDIT: I vaguely remember Courtois and De Bruyne not getting along for some reason. Hope they've resolved it.
Also I feel he is a bit overhyped based on the 2-3 Dortmund matches I've seen this season. He's good but I got a better feeling watching Valverde (when he first started under Zidane) and Tchouameni (again 2-3 matches I saw last season).
EDIT: I vaguely remember Courtois and De Bruyne not getting along for some reason. Hope they've resolved it.
Funny that this is only the case of English players but no body blinks an eye lid for players like Antony worth just as much after not achieving much either.
Combination of me getting older and the Post Fergie era has really calmed me down the last few years. Although there were a few instances where I was jumping around like a lunatic, PSG(A) , most recently Liverpool (H).
I'd rather blow that amount on Bellingham rather than Rice, you can just feel Bellingham's ceiling is much higher. Rice is a decent, un-exciting, composed midfielder, which is nice but he's definitely not the kind of player to get hyped about.
I don't think anyone believes Antony wasn't overpriced, or didn't "blink".
Just so you guys who are not aware are. Jude wears the 22 as he can play the 4, ,8, & 10 roles…….
And by the way, this is his brother……
twitter.com/j_bellingham/status/1574682156042887168?s=46&t=ReGrwJD66EVOdjdBsXj0Gw
And by the way, this is his brother……
twitter.com/j_bellingham/status/1574682156042887168?s=46&t=ReGrwJD66EVOdjdBsXj0Gw
Wonder if Jobe will go to Dortmund as well? Either to play with each other for a season or as a replacement, depending on when Jude leaves. If the family feels that Dortmund did really well for Jude there's a fair chance they'll take the same path. Depends on whether Dortmund actually want him of course, but he seems to be the real deal.
You said that if Bellingham wasn't a great player, why are top clubs after him and I said top clubs being after a player doesn't mean anything because big clubs including us where after Maguire, Shaw, Lukaku etc. They were just examples of players that were sort after and didn't turn out great.
It was Alexis wages that was insane not the swap, fans on here even complained about it and were happy he was of the wage bill. Remember the phrase "money or Pep"? that phrase came from the Alexis saga.
I have watched Bellingham play over 20 games including club and country and I just don't see anything special especially if the fee is 150 million. We can agree to disagree
You are right on Nunez. To hush to judge him on few games, let's see at the end of the season. Just watching him play reminds me of Lukaku and we knew from the jump Lukaku wasn't going to make it here because of his play. Poor touch, missing big chances, arrogant, not turning up for big games etc.
The thing I like most about him is that he’s absolutely fuelled by ambition. The guy wants to win everything. When it comes to players as technically gifted as him, I think that’s one of the best signs for his future development.
I think Bellingham is pretty much the one coveted player playing outside of the PL who would not choose the Spanish big 2 over the PL big 3.....because he's English. It would be a surprise if a guy who has the best/most competitive league taking place in his own backyard would not want to play there, especially given he hasn't experienced it before.
As for KdB, Courtois shagged his girlfriend (presumably ex-girlfriend now but she cheated on him with Courtois). Or at least, that's the rumour.
To me he is eerily similar to Delle Ali in playing style. I kept saying early on that Delle was not a midfielder and his best attributes were near the goal. He was a hard working number 10 basically. I see the same with Jude.
If we are to sign him it should be to replace Bruno.
No proper playmaker in that side though, I don't think it'll be that well balanced. Certainly not close to Casemiro / Kroos / Modric or even Rodri / KdB / Bilva.
I'm convinced you need several functions as part of a midfield - these functions are sometimes distributed across different players but in my mind the main ones are
- Ball carrying on offense: Pogba, Bellingham, Modric, McTominay, Kovacic, Kante, Bernardo, Iniesta all have their own styles.
- Playmaking: Kroos, Jorginho, Veratti, Xavi etc. all are different players but provide ability to dictate play.
- Screening: Rodri, Casemiro, Fabinho, Busquets, Alonso etc.
- Creativity (usually players who carry the ball well can also be the primary creative outlet)
- .. more?
This is also why I have my doubts about Casemiro - Eriksen - Bruno. There's just not enough ball carrying ability amongst those 3. We're asking Eriksen to carry the ball in transition by doing this and he's not that player.
I'd love to see something like Casemiro - Eriksen - Sancho but I think more likely we get Eriksen - McT - Bruno instead.
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So City then … Imagine if these kinds of players are dangled in front of Pep to keep him there.
Seems to me I belong in a minority who don't rate him as 100m£ player. He is good but don't see the special talent others see. I feel like part of the reason Dortmund are not so great defensively is cuz of him in CM. I rate Camavinga and Tchouameni much higher for ex.
He has time to improve his decision-making( from what I've watched in his real games), it's about the experience. His ball control, technique and flair look impressive for his age.