I'd wait to see if he can deliver against France and the likes before lauding him the future Ballon d'or on performances against Iran or Senegal.
Jude Bellingham | Signed for Madrid
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It doesn’t matter what he does the anti English brigade will never give him any credit. Obviously a very exciting young talent who is 19 years old and making a stand out contribution at a World Cup in a difficult position to master. Also comes across as very mature and level headed in interviews. God forbid we should be a tiny bit excited about it.
Still not seeing the 150m player, England have barely had a proper test yet. Looks quite good though.
Liverpool probably the best fit for him, he needs two others behind him, don’t think he’ll get that at Utd/City…maybe at Madrid but he’s nowhere near the Kroos replacement type they need
There's talent there, but I don't think it's right for us. We need a Modric type of midfielder and I just don't see that with him. We need someone who can pass and control a game.
Can Liverpool afford to spend 150m on him though?
No but he'll probably go for close to £100m in the end, and Madrid probably have an eye on him. I find it hard to see how United or Liverpool spend any money come the summer if they haven't found new buyers.
A midfield three of Tchouameni, Camavinga, and Bellingham would be decent to say the least!
And great for shirt revenue if fans are paying per letter.
Don't forget that they have Valverde too!
Yep Cesc was another level. Wilshere was brilliant too. Top class at that age. Shame.
Great player! The best Vieira/Roy Keane/Pogba in one!
Not if they don't qualify for the CL! (or if he wants to win trophies)
Not sure about that, I think they have different strings to their bow - Lampard possessed a bullet of a shot which I've not yet seen to the same degree from Bellingham (and it helped him gain the record for the most PL goals by a midfielder). His long-range passing might have also been superior. Bellingham seems a better dribbler, better in tight spaces, and more comfortable playing at a faster tempo.
why wouldnt he get that at United or City?
He will end up at Madrid with Camavinga and Tchouameni ...what a fecking midfield thats going to be.
Madrid should have other priorities, surely. They spent big on Camavinga and Tchouameni recently, and have Valverde already as well. CM is probably their strongest area, as it is.
Bellingham is obviously an impressive player but you'd still need to put the right players around him to get the best out of him at club level. I don't think Bellingham on his own improves us that much for what would be a £100m+ player. You can see his limitations in the games where he isn't given so much space to exploit.
Our main priority in midfield remains a player who can keep the ball moving nicely and set the tempo. We've not had anyone like that since Carrick. If we can get that player and Bellingham, fine, but I don't see us chucking that kind of money around anytime soon - especially when we still need to sign a striker.
Our main priority in midfield remains a player who can keep the ball moving nicely and set the tempo. We've not had anyone like that since Carrick. If we can get that player and Bellingham, fine, but I don't see us chucking that kind of money around anytime soon - especially when we still need to sign a striker.
After being mugged by Dortmund for Kagawa, Mkhytarian and worst of the lot Sancho, I would be very wary of buying another player from them. It's a 100 per cent failure rate so far.
Anyway he's definitely going to Liverpool... the same way Mbappe did last summer because Nike were going to buy him for Liverpool because they were making Liverpool's shirts.
Anyway he's definitely going to Liverpool... the same way Mbappe did last summer because Nike were going to buy him for Liverpool because they were making Liverpool's shirts.
Bruno and KDB
Id pay £150m for him. Im fully on board the hype train. Will be gutted to see him go anywhere else. The fact he has turned us down before though doesn't bode well for us i feel.
I don't understand how anyone can watch this 19yo play and not be excited. He's a tremendous talent, he's electric, powerful, skillful and consistently wants to drive forwards. This "hyped/overhyped" discourse is just an invention from cynics who want to appear knowledgeable. He really couldn't have done anything more than what he's doing. Of course France is going to be a big test (although their midfield isn't extraordinary this tournament), but up til now he's risen to the occasion, and the attitude and aura he's showing is really impressive considering his young age.
I read “shit revenge” at first
Agree with this. At 17 he was bossing the PL against grown men, it was something else.
I see more of Gerrard in him, while I think we need more of Scholes in our midfield. Don't think he and Bruno would be a good combo.
Pogba and Bellingham are very different players.
Pogba is also a much more a one way player and has big holes in his defensive game, positional game and his decision making defensively.
Bellingham runs more, works harder, presses better, wins the ball a lot more and is a better finisher than Pogba. Bellingham is a very much better fit than Pogba in that balancing BtoB role than Pogba ever was or is behind a front three and a 10. He has all the traits of both a DM and and an AM. He is also just 19 years old and can improve in all departments still.
At 19 Pogba hadn't made a single assist in his senior career, despite his vision, dribbling skills, creativity and passing ability with both feet... Bellingham already has 19 goals and 21 assists for Dortmund and already has more goals in the CL than Pogba in 36 less appearances.
Pogba's peak season with us (18/19) when he was considered one of the absolute best midfielders in the world (we did pay EUR 105M for him after all) vs. 19 year old Bellingham this season:
Offensively:
0,18 non penalty goals/90 (0,19 npxG/90) vs. Bellinghams 0,42 non penalty goals/90 (0,22 xG/90) - Bellingham by far the better finisher.
0,25 assists/90 (0,16 xA/90) vs. Bellinghams 0,14 assists/90 (0,11 xA/90) - Pogba's the more creative of them.
0,34 npG+xA/90 (total goalthreat) vs. Bellinghams 0,53 G+xA/90 (total goalthreat) - Bellingham by far the bigger goal threat.
1,69 successful dribbles/90 (64,2%) vs. Bellinghams 1,70 successful dribbles/90 (43%) Pogba the better dribbler.
Defensively:
0,77 tackles won/90 vs. Bellinghams 1,55 tackles won/90 - Bellingham far better
0,41 tackles vs dribblers won/90 (34,7%) vs. Bellinghams 1,25 tackles vs dribblers won/90 (69,4%) - Bellingham far superior
0,58 interceptions/90 vs. Bellinghams 1,7 interceptions/90 - Bellingham far better.
1,01 blocks/90 vs. Bellinghams 1,9 blocks/90 - Bellingham far better.
2,36 blocks+interceptions+successful tackles/90 vs. Bellinghams 5,15 blocks+interceptions+successful tackles/90...
Both very good at what they do, but Bellingham looks to be a much more complete BtoB balancing midfielder than Pogba. Bellingham's basically putting up elite DM defensive numbers and an AMs offensive numbers.
Quality player but not sure he’s what we need.
I won’t be getting carried away with the hype. I don’t think he’s going to come to United. Like Haaland he rejected us once after being shown around the club and our facilities. We made a big play for him and he wasn’t interested. It’s a shame but we’ll have to watch him tear it up elsewhere…..
Jamie Webster singing Hey Jude on the announcement video is going to be a grim watch
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They actually haven’t if you’ve watched Barca this season, especially Gavi, Pedri is on Bellingham’s level though.
Reminds me of a 19yr old Roy Keane.
And he’s a big big Gerrard fan, don’t think any of that matters though if Liverpool can’t pay the 100m fee, I think City will be favourites for him personally.
I've said it a while now, if Liverpool get CL football for next season, he'll ene up there. If they don't, he'll go to City.
The discussion centred purely around natural talent, which obviously isn't the be-all and end-all of what makes a top player. However, it negates mentality and a lot of the defensive intricacies. I did state previously that perhaps what I refer to as 'natural talent' might be a poor representation of what it actually is. I see Bellingham as a classic 90's 'all in one' type of midfielder and to me that means that his skill set whilst quite broad, is not as extreme or refined in any one particular area (attacking or defensive) compared to a player who specializes specifically in one of those positions. This can be seen as good or bad depending on your viewpoint. Obviously he is very young and may well develop one or more particular aspects of his game to a World-Class level.
The argument about Bellingham being more productive than Pogba was at the same age is pretty redundant as Bellingham clearly targeted first team football at a much earlier age. That's Birmingham City and Borussia Dortmund for you compared to a title challenging United at the time.
He is playing well at the world cup. Shows maturity at a young age. He is an excellent player with great potential to be one of the best in the world. Nonetheless, some statements by pundits are just silly. Statements like Gary Neville saying he hasn’t seen anyone do what Jude is doing. Overhyping players like this can actually hurt them
So because Bellingham hasn't played against prime Barca, Wilshere was better. Young Wilshere was good, but his CV was a lot less impressive than Bellinghams at his age. When he was Bellinghams age he had just broken into the first team and finished his first full season with Arsenal. Bellingham has put down great performances against several top teams, has worn the armband for Dortmund in the CL, is dominating for England in the WC and has been a starter at senior level for 4 seasons already.
Is this the Mainoo that has played 0 minutes of senior football and is turning 18 in April? Bellingham had been a starter for Dortmund for a full season at this ageNo pressure Kobbie
You have some valid points, but I compared Bellingham to Pogba's best season with us (18/19 season) when he was 25. Pogba wasn't close to being a starter in his first period with us and just finished his first season at Juve when he was Bellinghams age. Pogba made his first senior football assist when he was 20 years 132 days old (in his 44th senior game). He did develop his passing, creativity and end product after he turned 20, that was my point.
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Here’s my thing on Madrid though: what do you do then with Camavinga? I would think think the long term is to replace Modric next and Bellingham and Camavinga seem very similar to me. Even Valverde for that matter. I could see going for Bellingham ahead of them, but you’d have to think at least one would be moving on.
They also have money issues of their own. They wanted to get into the Gvardiol discussion last Summer just like Chelsea but completely laughed at even 60m, much less the 90m offered by Chelsea.
They are cranking together funding for a run at one of the elite strikers… maybe another run at Mbappe… and are petulant enough about the financial issues involved they are filing official complaints against PSG again.
Then people are also telling me they are going to win the race and fork out over 60m + whatever agent fees, etc for 16 year old Endrick.
They are listed as “favorites” for like 6 players… and I unless The Superleague lawsuit spins out in their favor in a few weeks… I just don’t see how that’s possible.
My guess for Bellingham at the moment would be City. With Foden going out to the wings, they look ripe for an overhaul there. A Jude, Rodri, KDB midfield just seems more likely. City moving on from Gundogan seems more vital than Madrid needing to move the two guys they have for that spot at huge money.
Now, If United are bought by Dubai or whoever … all bets are off.
Liverpool can't afford to pay 100m for him after spending that much on Nunes last summer.....City would have space to bring him in alongside KvB and Rodri plus money isn't an object
He's a very talented kid but he's not worth 100m as a midfield player but that is probably what someone will have to pay in order to get him out of Dortmund
He's a very talented kid but he's not worth 100m as a midfield player but that is probably what someone will have to pay in order to get him out of Dortmund
dortmund making bellingham third choice captain has turned out to be a phenomenal bit of pr work
£150m (€175m) is only realistic for one player in the world, and that player is Mbappe.
Dortmund have put a €150m (not £) price tag on Bellingham. Dortmund started with a €140m price tag on Sancho. Everyone knows Bellinghams final price wouldn’t be €150m. Haven’t seen many comments claiming he is worth that price, and definitely not £150m = Bellingham isn’t hyped in that price rang (except from Dortmund’s negotiating strategy)
Bellingham is a nobrainer for €100m, and I’m not surprised if City buy him for €115-120m. Bellingham deserves to be in the same price range as Grealish
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