Do Brazil dance too much? Never gonna dance again

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I'd save the dancing until the end. Didn't Pogba go through a whole repertoire after scoring in the Euros, only to look like a mug after they got knocked out.
I don't get this.

Scoring in a big match is worth celebrating. If you end up losing then that's completely unrelated.

If he started dancing when they were 4-1 down then he would look like a prick but he isn't a fortune reader.
 

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I don't get this.

Scoring in a big match is worth celebrating. If you end up losing then that's completely unrelated.

If he started dancing when they were 4-1 down then he would look like a prick but he isn't a fortune reader.
Whether you celebrate with a routine or do a simple knee slide, its totally unrelated to the the result.

That's like saying no player should celebrate a goal in-case they lose the game at the end.. you enjoy your highs in life.

Alot of the Brazilian players come from a very poor background and football was their way out, going to the world cup for them is something special.
 

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Yes, and I will give you the transcript.

“I can’t believe what I’m watching. It’s obviously brilliant from Brazil, but South Korea, my goodness. I’ve never seen so much dancing, it’s like watching Strictly!”

“I don't like this. People say it's their culture. But I think that's really disrespecting the opposition. It's four goals, and they are doing it every time".

This is the World cup, knock out stages.

Does that mean scoring 2/3 goals is disrespectful to the opponent? Maybe they should have scored 1 and said lets park the bus now.
Well given that isn’t what he said, it’s fairly clear that you didn’t.

He said that it was ridiculous to still be doing these choreographed routines when you get to 3 or 4 times, and particularly for the manager to be joining in. Which is true.

You’re also making a total straw man with your last paragraph, which tells me you’re clutching at straws more than a tad
 

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It is a World Cup. The biggest stage in International Football. You can't behave the same way you do in a regular yearly cup. It is a big stage and celebrations need to be over the top.
As long as you don't go about trying to rile up opposition fans or clap or dance in the face of opposition team members, you are fine.
 

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Well given that isn’t what he said, it’s fairly clear that you didn’t.

He said that it was ridiculous to still be doing these choreographed routines when you get to 3 or 4 times, and particularly for the manager to be joining in. Which is true.

You’re also making a total straw man with your last paragraph, which tells me you’re clutching at straws more than a tad
So I am making a transcript up?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/brazil-world-cup-2022-dancing-28663401

Anyway, I cant be asked discussing with someone who wants to make up his own transcript.
 

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Couldn't care less how they celebrate tbh.

If anything it'll be even better once VAR overturn some of these goals and they've just finished a 5 minute routine :lol:
"And out come the VAR dancers!" I could see it happening one day, to spice up the waiting for a decision. They'd dance alongside the ref when he runs to the monitor.
 

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Dancing as a celebration is completely fine, but breaking into multiple celebrations for each goal is clearly taking the piss somewhat. I don't think there would be many complaints if they just had one dance and stopped but dancing, then getting in a team huddle and jumping together, then dancing again is clearly overkill, particularly when its every goal.

Also seems very forced, which is very much on brand for this generation of Brazilian footballers (see things like the squad reveal videos). Hardly the spontaneous outburst of joy. It's like the Brazilian equivalent of those England fan celebration videos where everyone is making a point to very unspontaneously start lobbing beer in the air and going absolutely wild for every single goal.
 

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"And out come the VAR dancers!" I could see it happening one day, to spice up the waiting for a decision. They'd dance alongside the ref when he runs to the monitor.
USA 2026 is a Guarantee right?

"and now, we go to the VAR screen sponsored by home depot, give it up for the world famous soccerettes!

*fireworks, music and pom poms erupt* as confetti falls down onto the referees head
 

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USA 2026 is a Guarantee right?

"and now, we go to the VAR screen sponsored by home depot, give it up for the world famous soccerettes!

*fireworks, music and pom poms erupt* as confetti falls down onto the referees head
Indeed. 2026 has great possibilities for it.

"This VAR presentation is brought you by the following sponsors." They proceed to list them all, followed at the end by: "And contributions from fans like you." And to finish: "VAR, for all your replay needs."
 

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I'm sure someone has already said this, but they weren't dancing much during the 7-1 to Germany. Maybe just stop them from scoring if you don't like the dancing.
 

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Don't have a problem with it, I just think it's pretty cringe. Like... there's no music playing. What are you dancing to.
 

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That’s not a transcript. That’s an article with selected quotes, just saying you didn’t hear what he actually said would have saved a lot of time

It doesn’t even include my favourite part, where he referred to Tite “doing a jig
So you are saying a manager is not allowed to celebrate?
 

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Does Keane rants too much? The answer is yes to both my and OP question.
 

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Is it just showing off?

These Brazilians forget that not everyone can play football and dance. Maybe they need to have a little respect for the rhythmically challenged.
yeah, i think they forget some of are troops have lost lower limbs in conflicts.
 

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Yeah but Brazil apologists will be saying dancing isn't a part of Croat culture when they out dance the Samba boys.
Yes, everybody knows that no other cultures have a history of dance. That's why everyone is struggling to understand this uniquely Brazilian phenomenon
 

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hang on. It's okay for the players but not the old guys?

This retro stuff is getting just as cringy.
Imagine sir Alex, Ancelotti, ETH, etc doing the chicken dance that he did. Think about it for 15 seconds. Its his position as a manager not his age.
 

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Dancing as a celebration is completely fine, but breaking into multiple celebrations for each goal is clearly taking the piss somewhat. I don't think there would be many complaints if they just had one dance and stopped but dancing, then getting in a team huddle and jumping together, then dancing again is clearly overkill, particularly when its every goal.

Also seems very forced, which is very much on brand for this generation of Brazilian footballers (see things like the squad reveal videos). Hardly the spontaneous outburst of joy. It's like the Brazilian equivalent of those England fan celebration videos where everyone is making a point to very unspontaneously start lobbing beer in the air and going absolutely wild for every single goal.
Yeah once is acceptable like Keano said,however after every goal is really taking the piss
 

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The west is ruled by the logic of forgiveness. In Christianism the original sin made the world, so it’s necessary to mitigate in each act the weight of this negative conscience.

For Africa the big Arché is joy. For the Nagô (the enslaved africans who spoke the Iorubá language) the world is how it is. Infinite forces make the world and make life possible. In this perspective there is no sin or degradation, only a non-understanding of balance, resulting in more or less “Axé”, which is the capacity to accomplish and claim one’s own will. There’s nothing to forgive, just comprehension about the world and the forces that move it. African spirituality will not settle on love or forgiveness, but joy.

Joy is the state of lightness in which it is possible to claim life as it is. To claim to the world our own presence. African spirituality is not about guilt and redemption, but about claiming the present world, the life, nature and all energies that permeate them. African Gods dance while western spiritual philosophy denies the body and denies the world.

When these children of the enslaved dance it is not about a rational desire to humiliate an opponent, it’s not about calculations and it doesn’t hold weight. It’s about them being who they are, and the reiteration of life in their bodies. No forgiveness, no weight; no guilt; only lightness and joy!
 

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Is this really a serious debate?

Let them dance if they want. No one's actually hurt, if the opposition are offended, then they should ensure that Brazil don't score any goals.

Way too much shit going on in the world, and football for that matter (corruption for one) to worry about a few people dancing. The dancings are a bit cringe and don't seem natural at times but that isn't a crime.
 

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After years of watching shit teams celebrate shit goals against us as though they had just won the World Cup, I say let the feckers dance.
 

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A few steps is OK but is all this dancing disrespectful and making the world cup look silly?

If this was in the UK, Brazil would be disqualified.
Let’s ban all celebrating because people are full of this woke shit.




Let people dance.
 

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Is this a troll post?

Do you not remember Ronaldinho back in the day. This is Brazil. This is how they are brought up. To not give a feck and just enjoy yourself and express that on a football pitch. There's a reason stepovers and all elaborate shit starts mainly from Brazillian players because the rest don't have the balls to try
 

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I just want to see the cockroach celebration again.
 

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The Aussies would run to the corner flag where a bbq would be fired up, as they flipped sausages and sang, while guzzling down beer.
The Aussie celebration would be taking a piece of sandpaper out of one of the player’s pockets and rubbing it on the ball:p
 

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Dinho's Brazil were on another level of samba swag, the current team just look like a bunch of clowns imo.

On the other hand though, Keane and others trying to gatekeep what constitutes to 'respect' in football is ridiculous.
 

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Alot of the Brazilian players come from a very poor background and football was their way out, going to the world cup for them is something special.
While that might have been the case 30 years ago, not so much today when you take into fact most of their squad play in Europe for the top end teams and play CL yearly as opposed pre 90s.

As long as you don't go about trying to rile up opposition fans or clap or dance in the face of opposition team members, you are fine.
I don't know why he (Keane) allows himself to get so worked up over nothing really, as the whole world knows these Brazilians today are prima donna ego nuts, take the BS prior to this WC where you had neymar posing in the famous yellow top with SIX stars above the crest, only issue is they have only won five WC as we speak.
 
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I think their celebrations are a combination of genuine delight and a display of their culture, and a delayed response to the people who have been slaughtering Vinicius Junior for his goal celebrations for months on end.
 

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I know a lot of Koreans and none of them are bothered by the dancing at all.

From this thread however, the British are absolutely fuming because some Brazillian lads celebrated scoring a goal by dancing. Some of them even wished for those who danced to have their legs broken. You lot are fecking bitter and miserable, learn to enjoy life a little bit.
 

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I've no problem with them dancing a bit but I do find the dances cringey.

Dancing in general is stupid and makes you look like a fool.