The overrating of Bellingham is bordering on comical at this point.
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Was justlisting off the top of my head players who have had a good world cup attacking wise. Dont think all have been better than him no, but the post I was responding to originally said almost without doubt he has been the best player in the world cup beying Mbappe, dont see it myself at all.
I really cant remember a top player as he is, I am not desputing that who gives the ball away so often in my lifetime. Really cant see how some one can be considered world class, one of the best in the world, best in the tournament where depsite a fantastic work rate and defining moments.....is giving the ball away in others again and again.
Whatever anybodies view of Fernandes, I still cant understand anybody desputing that he is wasteful often, the commentators were driving me mad last night with there shock at him giing a losse pass or touch......yet they said the same statement several times in the same game.
Apparently some of our scouts were not certain about signing him for the reason he can be wasteful, so it really isnt a new thing.
I like him generally, dont get me wrong, but he also frustrates the hell out of me so often, I think he is as devisive playing wise as Pogba was here, he just has a much better attitude and work rate, but lets not deny he was awful last season, its good he is finding better form this year though
He’s been the player of the tournament so far in my opinion.
KdB.
I don’t have any stats but I reckon Nani gave the ball away just as much.. his productivity made it worth it though, the same as Bruno
Do you consider De Bruyne World Class?
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Awful world cup but of course yes, this is where you throw some stat at me of him and Fernandes losing possesion similar amount of times blah blah blah
Ye he’s been insane. But so have a few other players. Mbappe being one.
Well the fact is it’s true, de Bruyne gives it away at the same rate as Bruno, whilst playing for a significantly superior team. Im not going to dig up the stats that show this as you’ve made your mind up and have intimated that you’ll ignore them. The only other real difference in their productivity is when they get it wrong (and to reiterate, they do so at broadly the same rate) Bruno is often off by much more and it can make what he’s trying look absurd and I’d wager that’s why he’s less pleasing on the eye test for you.
You can’t see how someone who regularly ”gives the ball away so often” can be considered World Class, but De Bruyne absolutely does (as do almost all creative players in fairness) so don’t listen to the stats, just stick your fingers in ears and ”blah blah blah”.
How many creative players regularly have a pass completion much higher than Bruno by the way? Got some examples of players with high assist and chance creation stats and high pass completion percentage? I’d love to see these perfect players
The only one I know is Messi, who usually averages around 85% compared to KdB and Bruno’s often around 78-80%.
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He would probably be good in that city lineup as well. Bruno is more like a Rooney player though. He doesn't hide if he isn't playing well, he gives his all, never shies away from the game. I like him. Anyone thinking we would be better off without Bruno is smoking some crap weed.
So are people on here still saying Fernandes has been as good as DeBruyne the last few years as give me as many stats as you want, that is utterly blinkered.You can’t see how someone who regularly ”gives the ball away so often” can be considered World Class, but De Bruyne absolutely does (as do almost all creative players in fairness) so don’t listen to the stats, just stick your fingers in ears and ”blah blah blah”.
How many creative players regularly have a pass completion much higher than Bruno by the way? Got some examples of players with high assist and chance creation stats and high pass completion percentage? I’d love to see these perfect players
The only one I know is Messi, who usually averages around 85% compared to KdB and Bruno’s often around 78-80%.
He has been here three years nearly now, he was dreadful for 90% of last year and poor for a good 3/4months at the end of the season before, he has only been a regular starter for Portugal the last couple of years or so, average in Italy, was very young though, but he went back to Portugal, this is the first major tournament he has performed in.....how about those stats? Yet people seem to still be saying he is a good as DeBruyne and even mention him in the same breath as Cantona (cue stats comparable goals wise with Cantona).
He is a really good player, no doubting that, but the hyperbole of how good a player he is does to me seem overboard as he is in our shirt and a lot of it is to do with the first 15months here. Im not even getting into the stats argument as seems to be such an obsession, but go with your stats when Portugal play againand just count how many times he loses the ball if it isnt going backwards, its high, very high, always lots of shoddy passes and touches, really dont get how everybpody wants to even argue about that. Only time seen him criticised for it was towards the end of last season.
Yes you are right about me ignoring them, never believed in jsut going by stats, and to be fair its a decent post what you are saying, appreciate the points you are making.
But do you genuinely think Fernandes has been as good as him or is as good as him going by the last 4years or so....for club or country? As that is the thing I dont understand in these posts that people think he is as good, as consistent and that its stats and then anybody criticises Fernandes on here for being wasteful or poor....straight away DrBruyne comes up as a world class player and that is why Fernandes is too, its liek his last 15momnths or so here have been totally forgotten
I don't think many people think he's as good as De Bruyne
Well now you’ve completely switched your argument.
So now a player can give the ball away 20% of the time AND be World Class?
I’ll say it again, he loses the ball as often as KdB does.
I don’t think I said that they’re the same level, just that the argument that Bruno gives the ball away shouldn’t be used as a stick to beat him with when it’s true of all productive forward playmakers (bar Messi but he’s an alien).
De Bruyne is a better and more powerful dribbler and is a better crosser from both live and dead balls. That being said, their open play chance creation is similar and Bruno is a much better finisher. Notwithstanding the fact that De Bruyne plays in a far better team (especially over the last 15 months that you’ve emphasised) and gets loads of rest, whereas Bruno plays every minute he’s available for (the impact of which can be clearly seen in the variability of his performances).
I just wouldn’t say the gap between the two is as wide as I think you believe it is. Even more so when you seem to want to discount Bruno’s first 12 months when he was definitively clear of an out of sorts De Bruyne.
Klinsmann would be proud of that dive
Has he score that voley it would have been the best goal of this WC. So close. Bruno has play well apart from the dive
Let’s be honest here, he had an awful game.
Think he can hold his head up high. Good tournament for him.
Good tournament but ass of a game
Good player but not one I will count on when the stakes are truly high
Enough time for him to rest and prepare for the club now. He's been playing non-stop other than that league game vs Villa when he was suspended.
He was the only decent one who tried to create. Rest of the team was crap and needed a better setup.
If you take him out of the game Portugal would have created way less. Got very involved, think it’s a fault to say it was a bad game. Some days what he does comes off, some they dont. He’s still at the center of everything, while few others really took responsibility. He was ar least one who tried to create stuff
Good that he gets a rest now
Good that he gets a rest now
The best and worst of Bruno in this game.
Yeah, nothing came off today. Kept showing, kept trying but it wasn't his day. Excellent tournament for him overall.
Overall good World Cup. I was disappointed in his two freekicks in that second half, his team mate messed one up a bit in the return ball though.
Silva is supposedly gods own footballer yet he might as well have not turned up, maybe he didn't. I could've saw someone that looked similar for a second. Silva, KDB, Cancelo, these potions Pep has ware off quick don't they?
Silva is supposedly gods own footballer yet he might as well have not turned up, maybe he didn't. I could've saw someone that looked similar for a second. Silva, KDB, Cancelo, these potions Pep has ware off quick don't they?
Good tournament, shit last game, diver
Good he gets a bit of a break and lets hope he keeps up his good form
Outside of the dive I thought he was comfortably Portugal's most influential player. Always willing to create and show himself for the ball. Didnt hide, unlike some of his teammates.
He had a great tournament. Was good this game as well IMO. Shit dive. Was my player of the tournament til now but obviously you gotta make the final for that.
Can have a rest til the 27th now basically.
Can have a rest til the 27th now basically.
Final match sums up Bruno well. Very frustrating to watch but still the best player in the team.
he did quite well and had the best chances to score or assist. Marocco is a very stable team you shouldnt go down 0-1 against
Don't like his comments on the ref at all. However great tournament and Portugal's best player by far for me. Now is for him and the rest to come back and show the same for us and push us to top 4.
Great tournament for him. Created good chances, work hard, but it's a team game. You're as good as your team. Ask KDB.
Some of the comments on here are a classic case of people letting the scoreline colour their perception of an individual performance. If a couple of other Portugal players had passed as well, created as much or been as much of a goal threat as Bruno they'd be in the semi finals now.
Are you telling me he didn’t ? Go and look at what we won after Cantona retired, go and look what we won when Wayne tried to fill Ronaldo’s boots. We won more after Eric retired and much less after Ronaldo left. He’s one of the greatest players who ever lived and the other two are great united players. Only George Best compares and even he was flattered by the comparison. As he said….it was the only time he was. 42 goals, 21 points, golden boot, balon dor, CL for 3rd time only, 3 leagues in a row. Before Ronaldo became the sum of his parts we fell short, once he did we won the lot. When he left and we relied on Wayne we fell short. Cantona joined a team full of winners, missing one piece and what a piece he was, except on the highest level….where he justified his exclusion from the French national team.
Got anything else?
(Bruno does not belong in a conversation with Ronaldo, Best………..Cantona…………………………………………………Rooney
I'd say unlucky last game. With a bit more luck he'd have scored two and had an assist.
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