….that was definitely a 10-8 round
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that's some collectionSo, I was wrong about Rashford. And I've already said that. Are you going to pull out every post someone was wrong about a player?
I assume you have been 100% correct about every player ever?I am getting feeling from that latest tweet it's one of those and reckon Rabiot on free. I think it's still leaves us short of that DLP who retains the ball for fun and makes long and short passes
I agree. Love Caicedo and would be delighted if we went and got him, but if not it could allow us to make a bigger refresh in midfield (which I think we can all agree is needed). I wouldn’t mind seeing something like:
Out - Donny, McTominay, Fred, Sabitzer
In - Rabiot, Mount, Lavia
As I understand, he wants to leave Chelsea because their contract offer isn't enough..
Is he really going to get significantly more money from United or Liverpool? It's not like Chelsea don't pay big wages. To leave the club he's been at since he was 6 years old seems a bit bizarre.
I'm still hoping Poch convinces him to stay. This is not the profile of midfielder we need, and he's nothing special.
Is he really going to get significantly more money from United or Liverpool? It's not like Chelsea don't pay big wages. To leave the club he's been at since he was 6 years old seems a bit bizarre.
I'm still hoping Poch convinces him to stay. This is not the profile of midfielder we need, and he's nothing special.
Man brought receipts.They moved later in careers than him
What we thinking? Plays in a Fred like midfield role (hustling number 8 with loads of energy).
We know who Erik wanted who fits that,however sadly his love affair with Barca isn't going to be ending any time soon
It all comes down to the transfer fee and wage demands for me. I'd like Mount in the squad and think he's a lot better than most fans give him credit for, but we have way bigger priorities right now. If the club can get him on a reasonable deal, great.
I just don't see how Casemiro-Mount-Bruno is meant to be this dream midfield.
As far as I'm aware Mount has spent his entire career in attacking roles, either shunted out wide or as an attacking midfielder playing the role Bruno occupies in our team.
The midfield is going to lack defensive nouse and physicality, Mount doesn't solve our issue of lack of deep lying playmaker, doesn't solve our lack of support Casemiro gets in covering ground and protecting the defence.
If we sign him, we'll have a nice boom bust cycle before people realize we made the wrong decision. Here's the cycle:
1. Underwhelming. Labelled a "neat and tidy player who gives his all"
2. No signs of improvement. "He's not a 6, he's an 8 or he's a 10". Staunch supporters will claim those complaining don't understand football
3. Loses his place in the team "he's a good squad player"
4. Around January "we need a new CM"
1. Underwhelming. Labelled a "neat and tidy player who gives his all"
2. No signs of improvement. "He's not a 6, he's an 8 or he's a 10". Staunch supporters will claim those complaining don't understand football
3. Loses his place in the team "he's a good squad player"
4. Around January "we need a new CM"
It's not a dream midfield, but it is a very good midfield. Mount offers a lot of similar aspects that Fred does off the ball, while offering similar enough passing and set pieces to Eriksen, while also offering ball carrying. He's not elite, but he can be a very good midfielder and Ten Hag I'm sure would use him next to Bruno. It's not hard to imagine given we used Eriksen all season there and Mount is far better defensively and far more mobile. Add on someone who can move with the ball well.
Mount has played mostly as a 10 but has played a fair chunk in midfield too. I think it's just a case of the perfect dream midfielders to blend casemiro and Bruno aren't available to buy, so we have to adapt a bit and get a realistic signing that is still a big step up, while being the right age profile. Mount absolutely is that.
So what should Erik do then
Ah well some of clearly had enough of him already
Think this is such a lazy opinion from Keane.
He’s clearly not getting into the team because he doesn’t want to sign a new contract and also has had injury problems.
Lampard/Potter/Tuchel have all used him consistently.
Casemiro Eriksen Bruno is our best midfield right now and he's a big upgrade on Eriksen, much more press resistant and better engine. Bruno drops deep anyway so he'll make runs into the space he leaves behind.
Yes we did it with Eriksen, and the whole forum is begging for us to replace Eriksen in the starting 11 and demote him to rotation option because he's just not the guy, shouldn't that tell us something?
I don't believe for a second better profile of midfielders aren't available, our scouts need sacking if that's they can't find anyone who actually plays in a deep lying midfield role, we shouldn't be trying to shoe-horn attacking players in deep lying midfield roles.
Not disappointed but thoroughly underwhelmed. Willing to be proven wrong however.
Is he though, how often have we seen Mount play as a deep lying midfielder to an elite level consistently? We're just hoping and praying we can re-invent a decent (not great) attacking player into a top class deep lying midfielder.
I think what people seem to be overlooking is that we can say till the cows come home that we need a DLP or a dictator of play or that Mount isn’t the answer, but we aren’t the club and we aren’t ETH who does seem to think Mount is a piece of the puzzle because all the most reliable of reliable people are saying so, so regardless of how we think we’re gonna need to get used to the idea that Mount will be a United player next season unless a dramatic u-turn is achieved, which it may yet do
No,like I just said it's probably more that due to De Jong fecking us around Erik has decided to rethink his midfield plans
Yep but one of the key reasons given for arguing that Eriksen should be replaced is his lack of athleticism. Which Mount addresses, as he is a running/pressing machine, except with a high enough level of technical proficiency that we're not overly sacrificing in that regard relative to Eriksen.
The other reason given is that we ideally need a different profile of midfielder, more of a deep lying, press-resistant #8 in the FDJ shape, which I would agree with. But if ETH is targeting a more advanced #8 for that position then he clearly has a different tactical set-up in mind.
And personally I find it easier to judge players than to judge theoretical tactical set-ups. If ETH thinks that format of midfield fits with his collective plans for the team, we just have to see how it functions in practice. But if you want a hard-working #8/#10 hybrid for that role, Mount is a good signing on a player level.
Also known as the DVB cycle.
Wow, so many cry babies on here, you have no idea how the manager wants to play or who suits his vision for next season.
Mount is definitely better then McTominay, DVB and Fred, its a squad game ans our squad needs improvement.
Mount is definitely better then McTominay, DVB and Fred, its a squad game ans our squad needs improvement.
3 managers who were sacked for being mostly shit in large periods.
I couldn't have put it much better,yes I am definitely concerned we don't seem to be targeting that sort of midfielder. However Erik has shown this season he can get it right with players so will trust he can make it work
You think Mount is central to how the manager wants to play next season?
That’s not the point. Keane was saying he’s not good enough to get in the team which is false.
That's a fair point, but I agree with Keane's sentiment that Mount isn't good enough for United.
Which is totally up for debate yes. Just thought it was incredibly lazy punditry by him to say that.
the idea of there being no one else on the planet capable of doing the FDJ role to an acceptable level such that you reshuffle your idea altogether to include a player like Mount seems crazy to me, what are scouts for
Oh yes can't wait for the 'World Class at running' crowd being back after they disapeared when Lingard was sold.
To be fair to the pundits, it's hard to know everything about every player out there or watch every game of football. It's usually worth disregarding their opinions on things that aren't close to the clubs they used to play for. We also don't know what Keane had been told by an ex Chelsea pundit off air, he could just be repeating something he heard in a casual conversation. There were some Chelsea fans on here this season claiming Mount was being an utter bellend behind the scenes, which was the real reason he was dropped and nothing to do with an injury.
They're going to be disappointed, Mount doesn't even run that much.
It would be a very boring forum if we were all forced we agree with every decision the club makes and the manager makes.
We're spending £50+m on essentially an upgrade on VDB as Bruno's back up, which seems an inefficient use of our resources.
Fred and Mctominay should be replaced by an elite deep lying playmaker, and a player who can deputise for Casemiro as a DM when he's not playing. Mount fits neither category.
It's a catch up with City game. If Mount is our main midfield signing we're going to still need a deep lying playmaker and cover for Casemiro, and we're not really going to close the gap enough. Rabiot on a free offers much better value, can fill in the same position in the squad as Mount, and it frees up a lot of money to go big on a high end midfielder and striker.
You beat him like a ginger stepchild
Eriksens biggest issues though are physically not being mobile enough to move with the ball (mount can do), and not being energetic enough defensively which Fred provides (mount can do similarly), and not having stamina as he's in the latter parts of his career. Mount is all around a very good improvement to us. Yes we could and should take punts on guys like Kokcu all the same. But Mount himself is a very good player. Hell even just looking at what he can offer from an analytics perspective compared to mids in the 20/21 season for example:
- 90th percentile progressive passing
- 96th percentile progressive carries
- Very solid defensive stats (60th percentile for a non DM is very good)
- 99th percentile key passes
- 98th percentile expected assists
- 87th percentile non pen xG
- Ok turnover numbers in terms of press resistance
- Very good set piece delivery
Given age and the quality of player along with his excellent attitude, it'd be a very good signing. ready to step in and start instantly, which a lot of the scouting punts for cheap aren't capable of doing even if they hit long term. We need help now given the age profile of ours midfielders, not someone for 3 years from now.
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