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Europa League 22/23 | Final: Sevilla vs Roma (May 31)
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West Ham killed them with set pieces in that second leg. Thought that was the weak spot last night as aside from the goal Roma's big chances all came from corners or free kicks from deep, they just didn't have enough of them until the end of the game.Well, they only win it half the time, technically. Sometimes the injury crises happen to them even!
(But yeah, with this they won this stupid cup in 5 of their last 7 participations. Slavia Prague and West Ham beat plot armor!)
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West Ham got to play their C team in the first leg and B team in the second. Also second leg at home which was hugeWest Ham killed them with set pieces in that second leg. Thought that was the weak spot last night as aside from the goal Roma's big chances all came from corners or free kicks from deep, they just didn't have enough of them until the end of the game.
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Madrid can win while being "terrible" with real moments of quality, Sevilla do it with shithousery and a huge amount of luck.Sevilla are the Real Madrid of the Europa league. They can win it while being terrible, others have to be genuinely brilliant to do so.
True. The similarity is in the luck they have. Real have been second best in many matches only to somehow win the game because the opponent somehow failed to score and one of their forwards (or Ramos) managed to do so.Madrid can win while being "terrible" with real moments of quality, Sevilla do it with shithousery and a huge amount of luck.
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It's getting a bit ridiculous these days how many finals go to extra time or penalties. Something like half of the major finals in football seem to be tied at the end of regular time. The last three EL finals were all decided by penalties.
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What the hell are you talking about?? They were all Round of 16 Teams?? None of them played Europa League football?And they get KOed from the group stage to go to EL, which means they were shit.
It was Barcelona, Atletico, Juventus, Marseille, Bayer Leverkusen, Celtic, Sevilla, Sporting, Shakhtar etc., that got dumped from the groups.
So are you saying the Champions League is shit as well? Another one talking out their arse.
What's even your point, to begin with ?What the hell are you talking about?? They were all Round of 16 Teams?? None of them played Europa League football?
It was Barcelona, Atletico, Juventus, Marseille, Bayer Leverkusen, Celtic, Sevilla, Sporting, Shakhtar etc., that got dumped from the groups.
So are you saying the Champions League is shit as well? Another one talking out their arse.
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People constantly disrespecting the Europa League because of the so-called 'dross' playing in it. I was merely pointing out that the Champions League isn't that much better when you compare the teams in that.What's even your point, to begin with ?
You pretty much confirmed that yourself with your lazy posting.
Based on what did you reach the conclusion teams playing in CL aren't better than the ones in EL ?People constantly disrespecting the Europa League because of the so-called 'dross' playing in it. I was merely pointing out that the Champions League isn't that much better when you compare the teams in that.
You pretty much confirmed that yourself with your lazy posting.
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Sevilla haven't been that bad in the CL really. They got out of the group stage three times in a row, with one quarter final loss being their best. That was a good showing for a team of their budget, and it's only the last couple of times they have struggled more. Also, even though the CL groupstages of the last ten years are as lopsided in quality as it has ever been, not every team that finishes third is always playing shit. Sometimes it's a good team that narrowly misses out.
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The referees family attacked at the airport? After mourinho hung around outside the stadium to argue with him? Roma should be hammered by Uefa.
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Nevermind. Movin' on.Based on what did you reach the conclusion teams playing in CL aren't better than the ones in EL ?
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Videos of him, his partner and daughter (in tears and frightened) being pushed and jostled going through the airport with chairs thrown towards them.The referees family attacked at the airport? After mourinho hung around outside the stadium to argue with him? Roma should be hammered by Uefa.
UEFA will need to make an example of Roma for it. Otherwise, this will become a new thing, waiting for refs at airports and outside grounds. 1 year ground ban on European matches and a €500,000 fine for Mourinho (the instigator) seems right to me.
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Mourinho is a repeat offender, Did the same in 2005 which forced Andres Frisk to retire. There has to be something more than a fine. Next ref in a Roma game would have to put his family under police protection because Mourinho will whineVideos of him, his partner and daughter (in tears and frightened) being pushed and jostled going through the airport with chairs thrown towards them.
UEFA will need to make an example of Roma for it. Otherwise, this will become a new thing, waiting for refs at airports and outside grounds. 1 year ground ban on European matches and a €500,000 fine for Mourinho (the instigator) seems right to me.
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And the keepers never save any of them. Even this, it was a total fluke save and the other hit the post.It's getting a bit ridiculous these days how many finals go to extra time or penalties. Something like half of the major finals in football seem to be tied at the end of regular time. The last three EL finals were all decided by penalties.
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The champions league is only tougher once teams get to the quarter finals. The group stages and R16 are all of Europa league level, even in the quarters with some luck in the draw you can go far. Milan, Benfica, Inter are all teams that got far and aren't of the so called elite level.
Furthermore more elite level clubs regularly have to compete in the Europa league like Barcelona, Man Utd, Atletico and Juventus and then they still fail to win the Europa League.
So the point is it is not all about the champions League, what Sevilla has done in such a short span is nothing but incredible. They have now 2 more main European trophies than man united. Lets just say it as it is, we are underachievers when it comes to European football.
Furthermore more elite level clubs regularly have to compete in the Europa league like Barcelona, Man Utd, Atletico and Juventus and then they still fail to win the Europa League.
So the point is it is not all about the champions League, what Sevilla has done in such a short span is nothing but incredible. They have now 2 more main European trophies than man united. Lets just say it as it is, we are underachievers when it comes to European football.
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You almost had a good point, but nobody would swap a single one of our CL wins for 7 EL wins. Lumping in the EL with the CL as a main competition is just a lazy way of having a pop at United. Seville have won the competition more times than United have even competed in it.The champions league is only tougher once teams get to the quarter finals. The group stages and R16 are all of Europa league level, even in the quarters with some luck in the draw you can go far. Milan, Benfica, Inter are all teams that got far and aren't of the so called elite level.
Furthermore more elite level clubs regularly have to compete in the Europa league like Barcelona, Man Utd, Atletico and Juventus and then they still fail to win the Europa League.
So the point is it is not all about the champions League, what Sevilla has done in such a short span is nothing but incredible. They have now 2 more main European trophies than man united. Lets just say it as it is, we are underachievers when it comes to European football.
Should be mentioned that Spanish teams also get favoured massively by every ref in Europe for some reason, how was the Roma handball shout yesterday less of a penalty than the one Sociedad got against United at OT, or the handball Bruno got carded for against Seville which led to him being suspended, subbed and the tie being thrown away. It's been this way for years and they get away with absolute murder in terms of time wasting and dirty fouls. They are constantly harassing refs and Lamela even had the gall to complain about a yellow last night after literally drawing blood from his opponent.
Yes, we've underachieved in Europe, but they're cup competitions where anything can happen and luck plays a huge part. We've seen bang average Chelsea, Milan and Liverpool teams win the CL after all.
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@Care_de_Bobo
Honestly I would consider swapping one CL for 7 EL’s.
Those European finals are something special, it is what everybody remembers, you don’t have to ask me anything about our most recent FA or Leaque cup finals but I do remember our finals vs Ajax and Villarreal very well.
European finals also get more international coverage, it is simply very good promotion for a football club.
You saw again last Wednesday how much this cup meant for both teams competing. I find it small time hat a good portion of our fans or English fans in general turn their nose for European finals that aren’t champions league.
I wasn’t there to remember our only CWC vs Barca in 1991 but I am sure it is highly beloved by our older fans. Another game getting talked about time and time again is the CWC quarter final against Barca in 1984. European games are that big, they’re almost mythical imo.
I mean it when I say that the CL gets overvalued, I agree it is the highest possible prize but it is at times not that different from a Europa League. Take for example our opponents on the road to the 2011 final. It was Valencia, Rangers, Bursaspor, Marseille, Chelsea, Schalke and Barcelona. Apart from the 2 obvious big teams it really isn’t spectacular imo
If we had made it to the EL final this season we would have beaten Barca, Sevilla and Juve which is as good as any CL run you get.
It bothers me a lot how much good chances utd has wasted for European glory in any competition.
Honestly I would consider swapping one CL for 7 EL’s.
Those European finals are something special, it is what everybody remembers, you don’t have to ask me anything about our most recent FA or Leaque cup finals but I do remember our finals vs Ajax and Villarreal very well.
European finals also get more international coverage, it is simply very good promotion for a football club.
You saw again last Wednesday how much this cup meant for both teams competing. I find it small time hat a good portion of our fans or English fans in general turn their nose for European finals that aren’t champions league.
I wasn’t there to remember our only CWC vs Barca in 1991 but I am sure it is highly beloved by our older fans. Another game getting talked about time and time again is the CWC quarter final against Barca in 1984. European games are that big, they’re almost mythical imo.
I mean it when I say that the CL gets overvalued, I agree it is the highest possible prize but it is at times not that different from a Europa League. Take for example our opponents on the road to the 2011 final. It was Valencia, Rangers, Bursaspor, Marseille, Chelsea, Schalke and Barcelona. Apart from the 2 obvious big teams it really isn’t spectacular imo
If we had made it to the EL final this season we would have beaten Barca, Sevilla and Juve which is as good as any CL run you get.
It bothers me a lot how much good chances utd has wasted for European glory in any competition.
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No one is saying it's dross. But to believe that there are great teams in Europa League is ridiculous.People constantly disrespecting the Europa League because of the so-called 'dross' playing in it. I was merely pointing out that the Champions League isn't that much better when you compare the teams in that.
You pretty much confirmed that yourself with your lazy posting.
Barca wasn't great this season, neither was Juventus.
The Barca team that had the MSN was a great team, not the current one who played Europa cause they weren't good enough to get out of the UCL group stage.
Sevilla the "great" Europa League champion played the competition cause they couldn't get out of the UCL group stage and they are 11th in La Liga...not even top 6.
By no means Europa League has great teams, if they were great, they wouldn't be playing Europa League to begin with, this doesn't even need to be explained.
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You can't compare the older cups who hold more value due to UCL having less spots for the top leagues, so you had better teams playing the UEFA Cup and CWC... football was very different back then, can't be compared to modern football without context.@Care_de_Bobo
Honestly I would consider swapping one CL for 7 EL’s.
Those European finals are something special, it is what everybody remembers, you don’t have to ask me anything about our most recent FA or Leaque cup finals but I do remember our finals vs Ajax and Villarreal very well.
European finals also get more international coverage, it is simply very good promotion for a football club.
You saw again last Wednesday how much this cup meant for both teams competing. I find it small time hat a good portion of our fans or English fans in general turn their nose for European finals that aren’t champions league.
I wasn’t there to remember our only CWC vs Barca in 1991 but I am sure it is highly beloved by our older fans. Another game getting talked about time and time again is the CWC quarter final against Barca in 1984. European games are that big, they’re almost mythical imo.
I mean it when I say that the CL gets overvalued, I agree it is the highest possible prize but it is at times not that different from a Europa League. Take for example our opponents on the road to the 2011 final. It was Valencia, Rangers, Bursaspor, Marseille, Chelsea, Schalke and Barcelona. Apart from the 2 obvious big teams it really isn’t spectacular imo
If we had made it to the EL final this season we would have beaten Barca, Sevilla and Juve which is as good as any CL run you get.
It bothers me a lot how much good chances utd has wasted for European glory in any competition.
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Current Atlético, Juventus, Barcelona, and Man Utd aren't elite clubs at the moment.The champions league is only tougher once teams get to the quarter finals. The group stages and R16 are all of Europa league level, even in the quarters with some luck in the draw you can go far. Milan, Benfica, Inter are all teams that got far and aren't of the so called elite level.
Furthermore more elite level clubs regularly have to compete in the Europa league like Barcelona, Man Utd, Atletico and Juventus and then they still fail to win the Europa League.
Current Inter and Milan are better than current Juventus, somehow you aren't considering them elite but somehow Juventus is "elite".
Also Sevilla has played Europa League more times than most big teams, they had more chances to win it, so the comparison is poor.
And by no means UCL should be equaled to Europa League, nobody would trade UCL trophies for the modern Europa League.
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Barcelona won La Liga quite comfortably ahead of Real and Juventus would have finished above both Milan clubs without their points deduction.Current Atlético, Juventus, Barcelona, and Man Utd aren't elite clubs at the moment.
Current Inter and Milan are better than current Juventus, somehow you aren't considering them elite but somehow Juventus is "elite".
Also Sevilla has played Europa League more times than most big teams, they had more chances to win it, so the comparison is poor.
And by no means UCL should be equaled to Europa League, nobody would trade UCL trophies for the modern Europa League.
I think the truth of the matter is that there aren't any truly elite clubs at the moment, apart from the one that everyone knows cheated their way to the top and whose fans apparently hate the CL anyway.
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First was literally luck and second isn't quite true. Both Inter and Milan are quite clearly better than JuventusBarcelona won La Liga quite comfortably ahead of Real and Juventus would have finished above both Milan clubs without their points deduction.
Mmm it was a strange season for sureI think the truth of the matter is that there aren't any truly elite clubs at the moment, apart from the one that everyone knows cheated their way to the top and whose fans apparently hate the CL anyway.
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You really don't know what you're talking about, do you?No one is saying it's dross. But to believe that there are great teams in Europa League is ridiculous.
Barca wasn't great this season, neither was Juventus.
The Barca team that had the MSN was a great team, not the current one who played Europa cause they weren't good enough to get out of the UCL group stage.
Sevilla the "great" Europa League champion played the competition cause they couldn't get out of the UCL group stage and they are 11th in La Liga...not even top 6.
By no means Europa League has great teams, if they were great, they wouldn't be playing Europa League to begin with, this doesn't even need to be explained.
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I consider Juventus an elite club purely on their history, their recent history is also very elite having won 8 league titles in the last 11 seasons. So are Inter and Milan I just didn’t name them. Clubs like these are very rarely bad.
You have to earn the elite tag. In my opinion Sevilla have earned it by now. Their freaking international trophy cabinet is bigger than ours and this with lesser players and lesser money. Hats off to a fantastically led team.
You have to earn the elite tag. In my opinion Sevilla have earned it by now. Their freaking international trophy cabinet is bigger than ours and this with lesser players and lesser money. Hats off to a fantastically led team.