£14m + Geremi for Becks

[nickm]

Real open the negotiation.... but Laporta moves into pole position...

"Real Madrid will not match Manchester United's £25m asking price for David Beckham, according to reports from Spain today. Instead they will offer just £14m and a player, believed to be Geremi - who spent last season on loan at Middlesbrough - in exchange for his services...

"However Barcelona presidential candidate, Joan Laporta, is still confident about blocking Madrid's manoeuvrings by bringing Beckham to Barca.

"Speaking after a poll which showed him to be leading the presidential race for the first time, he said: "I am calm knowing that I have done things correctly as laid out in Fifa directives, the agreement is ours and if Madrid want Beckham then they will have to pass by us.""

<a href="http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,976935,00.html" target="_blank">http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,976935,00.html</a>

 

[Mr. Wood]

Geremi? <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> No thanks ...

 

[VanNistelrater]

Im getting bored with all this now.

 

[Floyd]

Give us £15mill + Figo.

<img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />

 

[antohan]

Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
<strong>Im getting bored with all this now.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You are a very patient man, I got bored with it so long ago I can't remember.

 

[antohan]

Originally posted by Floyd:
<strong>Give us £15mill + Figo.

<img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Figo? 15m + Makelele and Morientes and you have a deal.

 

[red_baron]

I'd take £20 million and Raul....but I'm dreaming <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />

 

[rOnaldo[7]]

Originally posted by antohan:
<strong>

15m + Makelele and Morientes and you have a deal.</strong><hr></blockquote>

yeah..

 

[uranushk1]

Why not they gave us 10mil+Figo+Makelele+Pavon, and we give them 5mil+Beckham+Phil Nev, divided the payment by 3 years and plus 5mil to the deal according to the appearance of Beckham in their team during this period?

 

[Metatron]

Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>Why not they gave us 10mil+Figo+Makelele+Pavon, and we give them 5mil+Beckham+Phil Nev, divided the payment by 3 years and plus 5mil to the deal according to the appearance of Beckham in their team during this period?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Figo, Zidanne, Raul, Ronaldo and I think roberto Carlos are 180 millions euros each, Guti has asked Florentino to be in the deal with Manchester cause he see himself in the bench and he want to play, for someone trying to buy him it's 45 millions Euro.

but I believe he will be offered to you plus 14 millions

 

[antohan]

Originally posted by Metatron:
<strong>Figo, Zidanne, Raul, Ronaldo and I think roberto Carlos are 180 millions euros each, Guti has asked Florentino to be in the deal with Manchester cause he see himself in the bench and he want to play, for someone trying to buy him it's 45 millions Euro.

but I believe he will be offered to you plus 14 millions</strong><hr></blockquote>

You are quoting players based on minimum fee release clauses you muppet, how else does 14m plus a 45m player add up to 30m?

Figo at £120m <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> , he can't even score from a penalty!

WOuld you take Beckham for 15m + Makelele and Morientes? I think we would be getting the better part of the deal. Morientes is the greatest waste of talent in La Liga, he could be great to backup RVN.

 

[antohan]

Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>Why not they gave us 10mil+Figo+Makelele+Pavon, and we give them 5mil+Beckham+Phil Nev, divided the payment by 3 years and plus 5mil to the deal according to the appearance of Beckham in their team during this period?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nah, too complicated and I only want Makelele out of those three + they can't have Phil. He won't go even if they wanted him.

He is a RED <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />

 

[Kevin]

Bit of cash plus Geremi (whom they don't need to replace) allows them to save enough money to buy more players (Ronaldinho? <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> ). Rather have 30 million.

 

[Metatron]

Originally posted by antohan:


You are quoting players based on minimum fee release clauses you muppet, how else does 14m plus a 45m player add up to 30m?

<hr></blockquote>
Knew it you Muppet, the diference here is that you can't get a Madrid player even if you tried...
you should change your policy quickly if not in a couple of years when Ronaldino becomes a star he'll end at Madrid or any other club
<img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />

 

[antohan]

Originally posted by Metatron:
<strong>the diference here is that you can't get a Madrid player even if you tried...
you should change your policy quickly</strong><hr></blockquote>

Which policy are you talking about? Please answer what this "policy" is because I don't know what you are going on about.

BTW, you've wanted Becks before and didn't get him. Now things have change internally, it has feckall to do with you wanting him. Try get RVN and see what happens, you arrogant thicko.

 

[BusbyReds]

Originally posted by Metatron:
<strong>
Knew it you Muppet, the diference here is that you can't get a Madrid player even if you tried...
you should change your policy quickly if not in a couple of years when Ronaldino becomes a star he'll end at Madrid or any other club
<img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

And you couldn't get any of our players if you tried and we didn't want to sell. Your draw is not as powerful as you seem to think. We've told you to feck off before, as have other clubs.

 

[Metatron]

Originally posted by antohan:
<strong>

Which policy are you talking about? Please answer what this "policy" is because I don't know what you are going on about.

BTW, you've wanted Becks before and didn't get him. Now things have change internally, it has feckall to do with you wanting him. Try get RVN and see what happens, you arrogant thicko.</strong><hr></blockquote>

could you be educated, I know it's a delicate issue but it seems I can't speak without been...

¿When did we want Beckham before? and RVN? please year cause i don't remember that.
we don't want RVN just Beckham, and who is saying RVN isn't loyal to Manchester?

The policy I'm talking is about preventing players from going. nobody is going to pay 180 millions for Zidanne... it won't even appear in papers. Believe it or not all this crap isn't good for the club. Of course Zidanne isn't worth 180 millions but if someday Madrid wants to sell him, Madrid will ask for the money he wants to. 30 millions isn't that much money but because that's the prize your selling him you'll get less.

 

[beergod]

if we weren't going for ronaldinho i personally wouldn't mind us getting guti and cash for becks

 

[spinoza]

... and so Real can feck off. So can Barca if Laporta does not win the election.

 

[Dans]

Real are in the driving seat now though. I think this has all backfired on us. They know we want to sell him and they know Beckham wants to join them and not Barca. They can offer what they like and we won't have a great deal of choice as there's no way Beckahm is gonna stick around at OT is there? The 20m mark seems likely now and for a player who was totuted at 35m not so very long ago this would represent a serious coup for Real.

 

[vijay]

We have lost the initiative.

 

[Red15]

From the Sun today
______________________________
Ron caught in crossfire
By NEIL CUSTIS


REAL MADRID are ready to use Ronaldinho as a bargaining tool to make sure they get David Beckham.

The Spanish giants are trying to hijack Ronaldinho's move to Old Trafford by offering £5million more for him.

They would then hold United to ransom with an offer to pull out of the Ronaldinho transfer - if they only do business with them over Becks.

To United's horror, Ronaldinho's agent has now shaken hands on a deal both with United and Real over the player's transfer as he tries to get a bidding war going.

But Real, who have bid £14m to United's £9m are using him more for their plot to land Beckham.

Ronaldinho's current club are Paris St Germain and their coach Luis Fernandez can see what is happening. Fernandez said: "These two players will form the longest story of the summer. Eventually I can see Beckham going to Real Madrid and Ronaldinho ending up at Manchester United."

Barca's presidential favourite Joan Laporta yesterday accused Real of making an illegal approach for Becks.

And he threatened to report them to FIFA if he found out they have tried to negotiate behind United's back.

Laporta said: "We have followed FIFA's rules. If a player has a current agreement with another club you have to speak to the club.

"Real Madrid is a big club and I hope they did not use any channel which is outside of the rules."

Meanwhile, Johan Cruyff yesterday threw his support behind David Beckham moving to Barcelona.

The former Barca boss said: "Everything that Joan Laporta has done about Beckham seems to me to have been really smart. He has put our club right at the front of the race."

__________________________________

I can actually see this scenario being played out. Wouldn't be suprised if Real Madrid gets Becks on the cheap and we end up paying around £13/£14 million for Ronaldinho.

I'm not even so sure about this whole Ronaldinho move any more. I think he will become a great player and he has wonderful skills and would be fantastic for us in Europe. Have to admit I'm not so sure how he''ll do on a cold wet December day when we play Bolton away.

But more than that, I think maybe deep down he wants to go to Real Madrid. His brother's comments a few days ago certainly makes me think so. And who can blame him? His hero plays there, he has other Brazilian teammates there, it'd be much easier for him to adapt in terms of culture and language and the Spanish game would probably suit him better.

 

[Dubai_Devil]

I have a question, if Barca and Real both offer say 30mil and we except Barca's offer but Becks rejects them and accepts Reals contract offer, can we reject Real's 30mil offer because we dont want Becks playing for Real or would that be breaking any rules?

 

[Davo]

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Real are in the driving seat now though. I think this has all backfired on us. They know we want to sell him and they know Beckham wants to join them and not Barca. They can offer what they like and we won't have a great deal of choice as there's no way Beckahm is gonna stick around at OT is there? The 20m mark seems likely now and for a player who was totuted at 35m not so very long ago this would represent a serious coup for Real.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Very true...I could see this coming

What with all my inside info..

 

[Kevin]

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Real are in the driving seat now though. I think this has all backfired on us. They know we want to sell him and they know Beckham wants to join them and not Barca. They can offer what they like and we won't have a great deal of choice as there's no way Beckahm is gonna stick around at OT is there? The 20m mark seems likely now and for a player who was totuted at 35m not so very long ago this would represent a serious coup for Real.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Once again, we rule at transfer dealings.

 

[nickm]

Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Real are in the driving seat now though. I think this has all backfired on us. They know we want to sell him and they know Beckham wants to join them and not Barca. They can offer what they like and we won't have a great deal of choice as there's no way Beckahm is gonna stick around at OT is there? The 20m mark seems likely now and for a player who was totuted at 35m not so very long ago this would represent a serious coup for Real.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No. At £15m + player other clubs would almost certainly come in. Madrid are bluffing.

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

I'd take £14m + Geremi

 

[Metatron]

Originally posted by nickm:
<strong>

No. At £15m + player other clubs would almost certainly come in. Madrid are bluffing.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The only one deciding here is Beckham. it's not Madrid or Manchester or any other club in a few days maybe weeks Beckham will go out and explain his desire to play at Madrid.

Once he's said that, it's over.

 

[Amir]

Originally posted by Metatron:
<strong>
The only one deciding here is Beckham. it's not Madrid or Manchester or any other club in a few days maybe weeks Beckham will go out and explain his desire to play at Madrid.

Once he's said that, it's over.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What's 'over'? No one doubts (or cares to be honest, he can go where ever he likes) that he'll end up in Real, but they'll have to pay a certain fee. Beckham's not going to threaten that either he moves to Real or he stays because he has too much to lose at United.

 

[Metatron]

Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>

What's 'over'? No one doubts (or cares to be honest, he can go where ever he likes) that he'll end up in Real, but they'll have to pay a certain fee. Beckham's not going to threaten that either he moves to Real or he stays because he has too much to lose at United.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Today's spanish press

Eternal Love? The Chief executives of Real Madrid to see dress David Beckham of white march on wheels. To day of today it has only lacked a shade. And that is the step that must give the player to say that Real Madrid is the club of its dreams. In the Bernabéu one hopes that those declarations today do when arriving at England after his periplo in the United States. That will be the moment at which the leaders of the Manchester, so and as happened to those of the Juventus and Inter, is forced to seat to negotiate with those of Real Madrid. They already know that the will of the player is the one that commands

 

[Red15]

Originally posted by Metatron:
<strong>

Today's spanish press

Eternal Love? The Chief executives of Real Madrid to see dress David Beckham of white march on wheels. To day of today it has only lacked a shade. And that is the step that must give the player to say that Real Madrid is the club of its dreams. In the Bernabéu one hopes that those declarations today do when arriving at England after his periplo in the United States. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Can't see Becks coming out with a statement declaring Real Madrid is the club of his dreams as he's maintained that he does not want to leave United. I do believe he still cares what the United fans think of him, and if he came out with a statement like that he would lose whatever support he has left with the United fans. I do think he'll end up at Real Madrid at some point. But it will still be a joint decision between United and Becks. They do both still need each other and if Real Madrid tries to push the price too low, other clubs could enter the bidding.

 

[Amir]

Originally posted by Red15:
<strong>
Can't see Becks coming out with a statement declaring Real Madrid is the club of his dreams as he's maintained that he does not want to leave United. I do believe he still cares what the United fans think of him, and if he came out with a statement like that he would lose whatever support he has left with the United fans. I do think he'll end up at Real Madrid at some point. But it will still be a joint decision between United and Becks. They do both still need each other and if Real Madrid tries to push the price too low, other clubs could enter the bidding.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Beckham won't, SFX might.

Nevertheless, this is NOT like the Zidane or the Ronaldo transfer, no matter what is claimed. The clubs of those two players were not willing seller, but were backed into a corner and when they were it was clear there was only one club interested who was also willing to match a price. We are willing to sell and there would be more than one interested side.

 

[Metatron]

Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>

Beckham won't, SFX might.

Nevertheless, this is NOT like the Zidane or the Ronaldo transfer, no matter what is claimed. The clubs of those two players were not willing seller, but were backed into a corner and when they were it was clear there was only one club interested who was also willing to match a price. We are willing to sell and there would be more than one interested side.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Well a few months ago it was this way:

Real Madrid blow cold on Beckham bid
MADRID -- Spanish giants Real Madrid said on Friday that there was little likelihood of them making a reported £40 million bid for Manchester United star David Beckham.

'The possibility that Beckham will one day play for Real Madrid is very remote,' said Real sporting director Jorge Valdano.

And Portuguese star Luis Figo said he would never leave Real for Manchester as part of a swap deal for Beckham.

'It's impossible,' he said.

Valdano sparked a frenzy of speculation two days ago by declaring that Beckham was Real's 'next big project' following the breathtaking deals for Ronaldo, Zinedine Zidane and Figo in recent years.

Beckham, who agreed to a £105,000-a-week package with United in May, had said he would be interested in the move. -- AFP

 

[Amir]

Originally posted by Metatron:
<strong>
Beckham, who agreed to a £105,000-a-week package with United in May, had said he would be interested in the move. -- AFP</strong><hr></blockquote>

Where are the quotes?

 

[Metatron]

Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>

Where are the quotes?</strong><hr></blockquote>

<a href="http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/football/story/0,1870,179883,00.html" target="_blank">http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/football/story/0,1870,179883,00.html</a>

 

[Metatron]

Originally posted by Metatron:
<strong>

<a href="http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/football/story/0,1870,179883,00.html" target="_blank">http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/football/story/0,1870,179883,00.html</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

that was march 28 the issue here is that you are going to sell him for nothing.

 

[Amir]

Originally posted by Metatron:
<strong>

that was march 28 the issue here is that you are going to sell him for nothing.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And why will we be selling him for 'nothing'? And how much is this 'nothing'?

If Real's price is not good enough he's welcome to stay. That will do him no good at all.

And your story still has no quotes.

 

[Metatron]

Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>

And why will we be selling him for 'nothing'? And how much is this 'nothing'?

If Real's price is not good enough he's welcome to stay. That will do him no good at all.

And your story still has no quotes.</strong><hr></blockquote>

sorry but I thought you were refering to the source what's quotes then just ""

nothing might be 25 23 don't really know. maybe 14 and a player but if you had manage this better you would have cash 40 believe it or not.

 

[nickm]

Originally posted by Metatron:
<strong>

The only one deciding here is Beckham. it's not Madrid or Manchester or any other club in a few days maybe weeks Beckham will go out and explain his desire to play at Madrid.

Once he's said that, it's over.</strong><hr></blockquote>

We don't have to sell him you know.

I get the impression we're looking for a transfer fee plus an extra annual fee derived from exploitation of Beck's image. I don't think this is going to be a straightforward transfer by any means.

The £14m thing sounds like the transfer fee bit, the player swap sounds like a bit of haggling over the value of the extra bit.

I'd take £17m now plus £10-£15m over 5 years plus a cut of any subsequent transfer out of Madrid.

 

[Amir]

Originally posted by Metatron:
<strong>
nothing might be 25 23 don't really know. maybe 14 and a player but if you had manage this better you would have cash 40 believe it or not.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're right, I don't. 40m is totally unrealistic and always was.