£30+million on Rio or use that cash to buy 2-3 defenders?

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which option would you choose?

Although I do rate him, but we need defenderS, not 30 million pound on 1 kid IMO

I would use that £30million to buy 2-3 defenders. (if we could look into Europe for some argue buys. I said if we could...)

what do you think?
 

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That really depends on WHO are those 2-3 defenders you are saying. Of course it is always a good thing if we can get some bargain buys, but sadly our clube is quite poor in terms of spotting bargain buys in the recent few years.
 

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Originally posted by Tomo:
<strong>which option would you choose?

Although I do rate him, but we need defenderS, not 30 million pound on 1 kid IMO

I would use that £30million to buy 2-3 defenders. (if we could look into Europe for some argue buys. I said if we could...)

what do you think?</strong><hr></blockquote>


name 2-3 quality defenders we cud get for a combined 30m???
 

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Originally posted by Sambora:
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name 2-3 quality defenders we cud get for a combined 30m???</strong><hr></blockquote>

dito

i'm not getting at you coz i feel the same ie want to spend on a number of defenders in stead of 1 30mil defender BUT who? who can we get for around 15mil each and is top quality.

AYALA is one i really do rate him but a)will valencia sell their captain b)does he want to leave his capataincy of the spanish champions b)how much will he cost concidering he is much older than rio - 15mil ? i unfortunatly doubt it!
 

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maybe lizurazu and ayala like 35m, but the plc have said, no signings over the age of 28 because "its not worth in investment"
 

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i reckon you'd be better advised spending the £30M+ on defenders who can actually defend in a back 4 in the premiership. . . . .good as he's looked at the world cup, ferdinand's only been up against 1 striker in each of the games really, allowing him to drop off and act as a sweeper while campbell marked. he's also had far more time as the pace of games have been slower over there.

he doesn't look the same player in the premiership when he's up against 2 attackers and forced to mark in a higher-pace match. . . .
 

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Not only one or two defenders but also another defensive midfielder (if Keane or Butt get injured). Otherwise the defense will always struggle.
 

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Originally posted by Tomo:
<strong>which option would you choose?

Although I do rate him, but we need defenderS, not 30 million pound on 1 kid IMO

I would use that £30million to buy 2-3 defenders. (if we could look into Europe for some argue buys. I said if we could...)

what do you think?</strong><hr></blockquote>

We need one defender for sure. If its Rio then it would be Neville - Blanc - Rio - Silvestre. There is a compelling arguement to buy a replacement for Irwin, but it would only be for a backup role since Silvestre has the job firmly in hand and there are only a shortlist of players who could take it away from him.
 

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Originally posted by Raoul:
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We need one defender for sure. If its Rio then it would be Neville - Blanc - Rio - Silvestre. There is a compelling arguement to buy a replacement for Irwin, but it would only be for a backup role since Silvestre has the job firmly in hand and there are only a shortlist of players who could take it away from him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

im not sure? mickys mistake against the arse at o.t stick bugs me.
 

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Originally posted by Sambora:
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im not sure? mickys mistake against the arse at o.t stick bugs me.</strong><hr></blockquote>

and so whats your solution ?
 

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Originally posted by Raoul:
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and so whats your solution ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

My solution would be to bring in Sorin and let Silvestre go to a club he would be happier at...
 

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My solution would be to bring in Sorin and let Silvestre go to a club he would be happier at...</strong><hr></blockquote>

You would replace an established starting player with one who may not speak the language, want to live in Manchester etc ? Where's the sense in that ?
 

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tudor and ayala but i think that the price may exceed 30M. not by much. i don't mind ayala's age in the least. both of the above will score goals from cb role as well. tudor could also play in mf if needed.
 

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Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>...good as he's looked at the world cup, ferdinand's only been up against 1 striker in each of the games really, allowing him to drop off and act as a sweeper while campbell marked. he's also had far more time as the pace of games have been slower over there.

he doesn't look the same player in the premiership when he's up against 2 attackers and forced to mark in a higher-pace match. . . .</strong><hr></blockquote>

those are astute points, mammy....did not think of it that way did jedi master....but you must admit, even in the premiership, he does look probably one of the best, behind only hyppia and of course blanc, no.... ;)
and in reply to the thread, 30 mil quid IS a lot of money, but considering juve paid 32 mil for buffon, it does pale in comparison....only worry about the transfer cap that may very soon come into effect........United seemed to have cooled on ayala & thuram,probably coz of the age factor in both....so 30 mil on either rio or nesta is definitely sound investment, both are good defensive leaders.....let's blow some quid, say jedi master.....we are after all MANCHESTER UNITED!!!!!
 

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Originally posted by jedi master yoda:
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those are astute points, mammy....did not think of it that way did jedi master....but you must admit, even in the premiership, he does look probably one of the best, behind only hyppia and of course blanc, no.... ;)
and in reply to the thread, 30 mil quid IS a lot of money, but considering juve paid 32 mil for buffon, it does pale in comparison....only worry about the transfer cap that may very soon come into effect........United seemed to have cooled on ayala & thuram,probably coz of the age factor in both....so 30 mil on either rio or nesta is definitely sound investment, both are good defensive leaders.....let's blow some quid, say jedi master.....we are after all MANCHESTER UNITED!!!!! </strong><hr></blockquote>

Do you ever get bored of talking like a knob?

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Originally posted by jedi master yoda:
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those are astute points, mammy....did not think of it that way did jedi master....but you must admit, even in the premiership, he does look probably one of the best, behind only hyppia and of course blanc, no.... ;)
and in reply to the thread, 30 mil quid IS a lot of money, but considering juve paid 32 mil for buffon, it does pale in comparison....only worry about the transfer cap that may very soon come into effect........United seemed to have cooled on ayala & thuram,probably coz of the age factor in both....so 30 mil on either rio or nesta is definitely sound investment, both are good defensive leaders.....let's blow some quid, say jedi master.....we are after all MANCHESTER UNITED!!!!! </strong><hr></blockquote>


half of me agrees with you jedi BUT i posted this before but i would like to see how you see it..
don't you think if we signed a player for 30mil it would yet again be a no win situation ie like veron .... if he (nesta/rio/veron etc) plays well then people will say "so he feckin should he cost enough money" and if he plays badly people will comment like "what a waste of money etc". Not to mention the tabliods who would/were poised ready to crusify RIO/NESTA/VERON when they didn't put in a good enough preformance.
i just think that if the price tag is to large if can be hard for a player and the club to shake it off.
 

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Originally posted by Raoul:
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You would replace an established starting player with one who may not speak the language, want to live in Manchester etc ? Where's the sense in that ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

The sense is, I would not trust Silvestre when the chips are down. You asked for a solution and I just think Sorin looks a more solid defender - and decent going forward too.
The way United defended last season, would you say any of them are established, or are you happy with the level of performance?
In any case, there's a difference to being established in a poor defence and being established in a good one.
Bruce, Pallister, Stam, Johnsen, Irwin... they were established. Silvestre, I'm afraid, however good going forward, simply doesn't look to be in their class.
 

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Originally posted by JOBT:
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half of me agrees with you jedi BUT i posted this before but i would like to see how you see it..
don't you think if we signed a player for 30mil it would yet again be a no win situation ie like veron .... if he (nesta/rio/veron etc) plays well then people will say "so he feckin should he cost enough money" and if he plays badly people will comment like "what a waste of money etc". Not to mention the tabliods who would/were poised ready to crusify RIO/NESTA/VERON when they didn't put in a good enough preformance.
i just think that if the price tag is to large if can be hard for a player and the club to shake it off.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Surely if you want to be the best, you have to have the best players and pay the biggest transfer fees to get those best players. We were all delighted when Veron came, it's just that it hasn't worked out yet. I don't think United should say 'never again' just because one 'gamble' hasn't come off. People were also saying United were crazy to spend £19m on Van Nisteltrooy, given his injury and all. According to your theory we might as well forget about ever signing a quality player like him again.
And, by the way, people are ready to crucify any United player, no matter what he cost or where he playes, or where he's from for that matter... That just comes with the territory when you play for the club.
 

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Originally posted by JOBT:
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yes thats exactly what i meant :rolleyes:

30mil is alot more than 19mil.</strong><hr></blockquote>

We got a bargain signing Ruud for £19 million - how much would he cost now? You have to pay the market value. We could have signed Zidane last summer and it would have cost us £50m give or take a pound or two - that's how much peoplke were prepared to pay. All I'm saying is that it would be great to see the best plyers in the world playing at Old Trafford - but if we want them, we got to show the money.
People are even talking about Damien Duff costing £20m for god's sake!
I do get your point though - It would be great to see United buying players they way Arsenal do - players like Petit, Viera, Overmars etc for relatively cheap prices in today's market. I'd like to think we could hold onto them longer than Arsenal do, though. But if it's established, experienced players we're after then the higher prices must be paid.
 

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Originally posted by the reporter:
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The sense is, I would not trust Silvestre when the chips are down. You asked for a solution and I just think Sorin looks a more solid defender - and decent going forward too.
The way United defended last season, would you say any of them are established, or are you happy with the level of performance?
In any case, there's a difference to being established in a poor defence and being established in a good one.
Bruce, Pallister, Stam, Johnsen, Irwin... they were established. Silvestre, I'm afraid, however good going forward, simply doesn't look to be in their class.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Having watched both of them, I can tell you that Silvestre is a comparable defender and better going forward. I'd rather replace Blanc or G Neville than Silvestre. He's steadily improved every year he's been a Red.
 

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Originally posted by the reporter:
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Surely if you want to be the best, you have to have the best players and pay the biggest transfer fees to get those best players. </strong><hr></blockquote>


that's the outlook of a glory-hunter.

sami hyypia cost £2.6M, markus babbel was free, sol campbell was free, ashley cole came through the youth system as did jonathan woodgate and wes brown. it's more than possible to find excellent players without having to pay a king's ransom and have that albatross around both the manager's and the player's necks in the event they don't perform. . .
 

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Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
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that's the outlook of a glory-hunter.

sami hyypia cost £2.6M, markus babbel was free, sol campbell was free, ashley cole came through the youth system as did jonathan woodgate and wes brown. it's more than possible to find excellent players without having to pay a king's ransom and have that albatross around both the manager's and the player's necks in the event they don't perform. . .</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes ur right in that sense. But if we are talking about established supposedly world class players like ZZ or figo or even midget owen :rolleyes: for tat matter, we have to pay the money to get them, like it or not.

Note the similarities amongst the three. i guess it's because they are attacking players and to pple, they muz worth that stupid money that can feed a nation. 30m on Raul, any fuss from anyone here?? ;)
 

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Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
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that's the outlook of a glory-hunter.

sami hyypia cost £2.6M, markus babbel was free, sol campbell was free, ashley cole came through the youth system as did jonathan woodgate and wes brown. it's more than possible to find excellent players without having to pay a king's ransom and have that albatross around both the manager's and the player's necks in the event they don't perform. . .</strong><hr></blockquote>

This term glory-hunter. What exactly do you mean?
Normally I use the term when I refer to someone who jumps on a bandwagon when a club is performing well (hence Liverpool drew so many fans in the 70s and 80s, likewise United in the 90s). I guarantee you that is not me.
But 'glory hunter', as it quite obviously states 'is someone chasing glory' - no surprise there. So, if I support a team, naturally I want them to be successful - I want them to achieve this 'glory'.
You, my 'friend', are also a 'glory hunter' then for unless I'm mistaken you will want the best possible team, the most number of trophies for the club you support.
So, don't go around calling me a 'glory hunter' -take a look at every football fan who supports their club. They're all the same.
Yes, Sami Hyppia cost £2.6 million. He was an excellent purchase. How much did Solskjaer cost?
Yes Markus Babbel was free, yes Sol Campbell was free - how much money are they on a week? United were made aware that Campbell wanted to stay in London so didn't get involved.
United's youth system brought through Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, Butt, the Nevilles all around the same time. How likely is that to ever happen again?
I would like nothing more than United to go out there and find a gem or two at a bargain price.
But are you seriously telling me that if Liverpool bid £30m for Rio Ferdinand tomorrow you will be disappointed. Will you view him as an albatross around necks?
I sincerly doubt it.
You'll be hailing him as the best player ever etc, etc,etc. Pathetic.
Did you think Heskey was that £11m albatross when he went so long without scoring? (at the time that was quite a fee for Liverpool to be paying out) In the end that run probably cost Liverpool the championship when you think about it.
I would like the team I support to be as good as possible. I say if that means spending the money the club has, then so be it.
And by the way - you won't find me in any other club sites. I don't believe in taking cheap shots directly at other supporters unlike some people.
 

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Is that a good <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> or a bad <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> ?
 

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Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>Good mate, very good!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Cheers. I do try not to let the side down... ;)
 

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<strong>use little to buy R Marqeauz (mexico) and save up</strong><hr></blockquote>

Then spend an entire season saying "Now we know we shouldn't sign South Americans or Central Americans too".
 

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Originally posted by JOBT:
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i just think that if the price tag is to large if can be hard for a player and the club to shake it off.</strong><hr></blockquote>

well....jedi jobt....jedi master thinks it's pretty much up to the player himself and of course to a large extent, grandmaster ferguson.....the bit about grandmaster we don;t have to worry, he'll sort the bloke out....but the bit about the player himself, well rio has shown that he can indeed handle the price tag issue quite comfortably, as in when he moved to leeds.....but the same can't be said about nesta as of yet....personally jedi master thinks he'll do more that ok....of course even jedi master in the United defence would look pretty good after the fiasco last season(no offence to blanc!)......and jedi master would be most unhappy to see veron leaving....he deserves another season...i'm sure he'll set the theatre of dreams alight......ah, but digress does jedi master, hmmmm....coming back, jedi master thinks the deal for rio was sorted out even before the WC....in fact jedi master does remember posting it in some thread sometime late May....jedi master also feels we may indeed sign that escude bloke....
 

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Originally posted by jedi master yoda:
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well....jedi jobt....jedi master thinks it's pretty much up to the player himself and of course to a large extent, grandmaster ferguson.....the bit about grandmaster we don;t have to worry, he'll sort the bloke out....but the bit about the player himself, well rio has shown that he can indeed handle the price tag issue quite comfortably, as in when he moved to leeds.....but the same can't be said about nesta as of yet....personally jedi master thinks he'll do more that ok....of course even jedi master in the United defence would look pretty good after the fiasco last season(no offence to blanc!)......and jedi master would be most unhappy to see veron leaving....he deserves another season...i'm sure he'll set the theatre of dreams alight......ah, but digress does jedi master, hmmmm....coming back, jedi master thinks the deal for rio was sorted out even before the WC....in fact jedi master does remember posting it in some thread sometime late May....jedi master also feels we may indeed sign that escude bloke....</strong><hr></blockquote>

SHUT UP

Feckin weird talking cnut you is...

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er....greetings jedi jsv...fine thank you, and yourself?
word of advise from old jedi master, young padawan....not use shortcut for all things jedi must learn....in future address jedi master as master yoda, you will hmmm..... ;)
 

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Originally posted by jedi master yoda:
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er....greetings jedi jsv...fine thank you, and yourself?
word of advise from old jedi master, young padawan....not use shortcut for all things jedi must learn....in future address jedi master as master yoda, you will hmmm..... ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>


have you heard his name Yoda?

Its feckin shit and no mistake.. ;)