I know. IIrc, they also referred to Poch as a hipster choice. As far as I can tell, "hipster" is being used to describe anyone outside of United who is rated higher than someone at United.I don’t think you know what hipster means.
I know. IIrc, they also referred to Poch as a hipster choice. As far as I can tell, "hipster" is being used to describe anyone outside of United who is rated higher than someone at United.I don’t think you know what hipster means.
??? Never said he didn't want him but clearly he was the backup plan.https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ews/man-city-transfer-news-koulibaly-16476337
Prove from the man himself he wanted Maguire.
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Looks like you are having some problem here, I'll make it easy for you to read.??? Never said he didn't want him but clearly he was the backup plan.
1. Pep goes to Napoli asking for Koulibaly. Is quoted an insane price.
2. City go to Leicester for Maguire. Get quoted a lower but still insane price. Get outbid.
Regardless, this is an unprecedented level of preciousness - cannot believe that you are so sensitive about your players that a simple statement of fact like "last summer, Koulibaly was universally regarded as better and more valuable" has your knickers in such a twist.
But the simple fact is that City have NO interest in Koulibaly – he is not even on a short-list of centre backs they drew up after the departure of Vincent Kompany .
The Blues do need a replacement, and Harry Maguire remains the prime target – now it comes down to whether City are prepared to break the world record for a defender by splashing out around £80million.
CorrectI know. IIrc, they also referred to Poch as a hipster choice. As far as I can tell, "hipster" is being used to describe anyone outside of United who is rated higher than someone at United.
Look at the dates & use your brain? Is that too much to ask?Looks like you are having some problem here, I'll make it easy for you to read.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ews/man-city-transfer-news-koulibaly-16476337
While the article you gave me showed nothing about Maguire being the backup target. Give me an evidence where it says that Koulibaly was Pep original target while Maguire was the backup target as per you said then we can continue this conversation.
Click & read the article that I gave you, because if you do, you will realise it's completely countering your article & your argument. Is that too much to ask?Look at the dates & use your brain? Is that too much to ask?
I would be very surprised to see City spend that kind of money on a 30 year old defender considering they have never spent that amount on a player before, but if they do, in my opinion a big part of it will be regretting not going after someone like Maguire last year. I'm sure Pep thought he would be fine with what he had, which is why he didn't add anyone. Now it's obvious that he does need someone...Right, that's why Koulibaly looks nailed on for a transfer to Man City this summer?
Worth remembering that football acumen genius Pep turned down Maguire at 80m last year. Or is his opinion only meaningful when it suits your narrative?
What?Right, that's why Koulibaly looks nailed on for a transfer to Man City this summer?
Worth remembering that football acumen genius Pep turned down Maguire at 80m last year. Or is his opinion only meaningful when it suits your narrative?
indeed, watch us sign one of them and them getting a reality check while calling for a similar hipster CB a year from now while rewriting history and saying we overpaid for the one they initially wanted and that we really should have signed someone else. This happened with Maguire, people forget how imperious he looked during the wc.Koulibali was touted around for £80m. Varane would cost similar. Such high cost players have to perform on the big stage, or at least be faultless.
But watching these super elite centre backs in last 24 hours, it’s very clear that Maguire and Lindelöf are far better at actual defending than many of our fans give them credit. The bullcrap agenda against them has to stop.
neither is natural as ball playing defenders, such as Rio, VVD or Kompany, but we have only just started playing that way and i think they will both dramatically improve on this next season.
This has to be the strangest English expression when it comes to football. They might very well become much worse.I'm genuinely satisfied with lindelof and maguire. Safe, reliable, consistent, composed and will only get better. We do need fitter back ups though.
People use it for anything that claims to be different or modern for the sake of it, except on here it's used for anything that's different. Before joining Liverpool Klopp used to be regarded as a hipster manager on here. Don't know much about Varane's ups and downs but I'd wait to see Maguire in the CL before comparingI know. IIrc, they also referred to Poch as a hipster choice. As far as I can tell, "hipster" is being used to describe anyone outside of United who is rated higher than someone at United.
Probably about as much as the fans who use them as examples of better CBs.The thing is we looked at both Varane and Koulibaly. They both would have cost us £100m to get. How many fans who call out for Koulibaly and Varane actually watch their respective clubs all the time?
Maguire was £80m, proven PL CB, English International who was a decent age. The one thing he lacked was pace, we knew that before we signed him.
Signing Koulibaly and Varane would have been a gamble. How many big money gambles from Europe have worked for us?
Koulibaly has had a bad season. Fans saying don't judge Varane on one game, but its because we dont watch him play often so the game we watch him is in a big CL game, he made 2 mistakes in a big game. If Maguire does that, this forum would blow up.
Yes, but the know it all fans know that there is better defenders out there. People go on about Lindelof, his poor heading but he hasn't made the mistake varane made with his head this season.Probably about as much as the fans who use them as examples of better CBs.
It's just as you say. Lindelof and Maguire are already being micro-analyzed. If they played as poorly in a high level game, a huge portion of this forum would want them gone; it would be the undeniable evidence that they needed replacing asap. The fact of the matter is, both CBs hold up well with statistical comparisons, they rarely make mistakes leading to goals, defensively we've been one of the best in Europe, and we concede very, very few goals against the best sides. I'd be perfectly happy if they were our CBs for the next few years.
Lindelof has made mistakes with balls in the air this season. Were you not watching?Yes, but the know it all fans know that there is better defenders out there. People go on about Lindelof, his poor heading but he hasn't made the mistake varane made with his head this season.
Varane got bullied of the ball by Jesus, imagine if Lindelof got bullied. The I told you so will be out in force.
I was a bit of United stand on youtube, there is this chap who keeps calling for Koulibaly, as if he is the holy grail in defence but thought he was left footed. That should tell you where fans on this forum are.
Before Upemacano signed a contract, he was in his final year, almost 7/10 on here who wanted a new CB had his name as a potential for £40m, City spent £40m on Ake not Upemacano.
Had we not have signed Harry Maguire last season, we would be in big big trouble this summer.
Like has every other CB in the country.Lindelof has made mistakes with balls in the air this season. Were you not watching?
Yup they all do, its about the frequency whilst still trying to win the ball and engage the forward players.Like has every other CB in the country.
Where has Lindelof made a mistake where he ball is nabbed and an open play goal conceded?
I am not saying Lindelof is better than Varane. All I am trying to point out is, defenders make mistake. Even the ones that the caf think are the holy grail.
What nonsense is this. How can you say a RB does the CB's job for him? Have you seen number of times AWB has been caught out of position this season? AWB had done his job as a RB and that is it. The last few weeks AWB has been poor, Lindelof has looked out best defender post lockdown.Yup they all do, its about the frequency whilst still trying to win the ball and engage the forward players.
The thing is Varane doesn't have AWB at right back who does half the job of the CB next to him. Granted, not in the air as AWB is weak there just like Lindelof.
Agree, plus if a CB is under press and is going to play their way out, I think most prefer to play together with Carvajal rather than AWB.What nonsense is this. How can you say a RB does the CB's job for him? Have you seen number of times AWB has been caught out of position this season? AWB had done his job as a RB and that is it. The last few weeks AWB has been poor, Lindelof has looked out best defender post lockdown.
Exactly, Lindelof is good on the ball and when he passes it to AWB, he looks scared of the ball sometimes.Agree, plus if a CB is under press and is going to play their way out, I think most prefer to play together with Carvajal rather than AWB.
Varane is a very good CB, maybe even top 5 in the world imo, but the mistakes he made in the match, if any of our defenders made those two scattered over the 38 matches in the PL he would be killed in here. People who microanalyze every single goal we concede would go crazy.
Easy, he comes across and confronts the strikers and makes tackles in central areas. He's doing it, our CB isnt. He's been a huge upgrade over Young at rightback, nobody else has a RB doing that for themWhat nonsense is this. How can you say a RB does the CB's job for him? Have you seen number of times AWB has been caught out of position this season? AWB had done his job as a RB and that is it. The last few weeks AWB has been poor, Lindelof has looked out best defender post lockdown.
So why do we need to spend money on a CB when our RB can cover? why spend money for no reason?Easy, he comes across and confronts the strikers and makes tackles in central areas. He's doing it, our CB isnt. He's been a huge upgrade over Young at rightback, nobody else has a RB doing that for them
AWB | Ricardo Perreira | |
Duels Won | 256 | 226 |
Duels won % | 55 | 60 |
Ariel duel % | 46 | 40 |
Recoveries | 171 | 179 |
Tackles won | 68 | 80 |
Tackles won % | 58 | 62 |
Clearances | 74 | 58 |
Interceptions | 49 | 66 |
Like you said, he's not as good defensively. He gets beaten a lot more. But Ricardo is better going forward. He works just as hard as AWB but doesn't help the defense as much and helps the attack more than AWB does.So why do we need to spend money on a CB when our RB can cover? why spend money for no reason?
Let me show you some stats. If you are trying to pin our defence based on AWB only, whilst glorying Soyuncu and Leicester defence.
Perreira does the same role AWB does, granted not as good defensively but he has also played less mins.
Why are you rating Soyuncu so much higher than our CB's then?
AWB Ricardo Perreira Duels Won 256 226 Duels won % 55 60 Ariel duel % 46 40 Recoveries 171 179 Tackles won 68 80 Tackles won % 58 62 Clearances 74 58 Interceptions 49 66
I said he isnt as good defensively, doesnt mean he is miles apart from AWB. He played less games or the stats would have been very similar to AWB.Like you said, he's not as good defensively. He gets beaten a lot more. But Ricardo is better going forward. He works just as hard as AWB but doesn't help the defense as much and helps the attack more than AWB does.
Soyuncu was great in the first half of the season, like the rest of Leicester the wheels came off in the covid months when Pereira and Maddison werent available and they didnt have depth
Disagree that they are far better at defending as you put it. We have a really organized defence, with a lot of shielding from our midfield. Judging Varane from a CL knock-out game where they are chasing goals, exposing themselved is a poor starting point, the same goes for Koulibali. That said our CB pairing isn't close as bad as some put it, neither are they the absolute elite. I think Maguire will get there eventually, he has shown it in the PL and it's unfair to judge him in his first season with us. Lindelof I don't see being set partner for Maguire in the future though.Koulibali was touted around for £80m. Varane would cost similar. Such high cost players have to perform on the big stage, or at least be faultless.
But watching these super elite centre backs in last 24 hours, it’s very clear that Maguire and Lindelöf are far better at actual defending than many of our fans give them credit. The bullcrap agenda against them has to stop.
neither is natural as ball playing defenders, such as Rio, VVD or Kompany, but we have only just started playing that way and i think they will both dramatically improve on this next season.
He is though, in terms of what we're talking about which is a RB doing so much defensively and doing things that the CB should be doing next to themI said he isnt as good defensively, doesnt mean he is miles apart from AWB. He played less games or the stats would have been very similar to AWB.
Yes Maddison had an injury and it felt to bits, whilst we had Pogba out for most of the season, Rashford, Martial, Shaw, McTominay have all been out injured too.
So we can make excuses for other teams whilst slagging all our defenders off?
He is though, in terms of what we're talking about which is a RB doing so much defensively and doing things that the CB should be doing next to them
Ricardo is actually the most dribbled past right back this season, almost twice per game. AWB is 0.6
So he tries a lot of tackles and makes a lot of tackles, but players still beat him and his team have to defend those situations
On the other hand AWB doesnt get beat much and you can see many examples of AWB coming central to make a challenge on an attacker, or covering our CBs to help stop a chance. When I watched Leicester I dont remember seeing Ricardo do that.
Lindelof isnt going to get dribbled past when he doesn't come towards the attacker and look to make a tackle. AWB comes across to help with that stuff, unlike Ricardo. Lindelof backs offSo AWB helps out ?
In the same way Soyuncu dribbles past per game is 0.6 compare to Lindelof at 0.1. All the stats now are showing Lindelof has had a better season than Soyuncu.
If we can get them to drop it to 50m euros , it would be great deal for us. He is still a fantastic defender but better than what we have. Only his age is downside so wouldn't want us to pay too much for him