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‘No value in the market’ - 2026
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I believe we need to understand that at least one midfield target will be expensive. It was matter of who was going to be better value for money.
The longer this window goes on, the more desperate the club will be in to fill the wholes left by Casemiro and the injured Ugarte. We only have Mainoo and Ederson. A sick note in Mount and Bruno has made it obvious hes horrible in midfield. We havent even got any evidence that Ederson will but up to it right away. It will be like ETH first few weeks until we got Casemiro. No control in the midfield and we get a few batterings.
Clubs aren't stupid, they will try hold out for every penny they can.
Yeah that is fecking weird post. Sure many on here hate that some are show some patience with Ineos so some like this person thinks its excuses I disagree but thats not uncommon, I hear this opinion a lot. But this below is a first Im trying to come up with something but little lost for words, might be first time I've seen someone accuse fans of make excuses for the Glazers saying its not their fault.
Agreed and the club acting as they do right now is not what they should be doing. We need our main targets this year, it is an incredible opportunity to get back up there but not if we dont add top class player and dont have a world class midfield.
We are quite some way off the point anyone should be feeling desperate, or even be considering that word. Im sure everyone is aware that there is a world cup happening, and its almost certain that quite a few on our list are involved.
By the way you didnt answer my question. Would you have wanted United to make any of the deals that City and Tottenham have made for those players?
People just want us to spend loads of money on new players so they can boast on social media that we've won the transfer window.
The same people will be complaining that these players aren't value for money in a few months.
I'm personally not that bothered what the club pays for players if they're the right ones. The market is what it is, and in one summer you can be left behind. If we weren't so short of quality (and bodies) in midfield with a potential 60 game season oncoming it's probably different but the success of the season, and beyond, rests on getting this right.
Anderson is quality and will prove it. He's a great signing for City because they'll get a decade out of him, like Rice at Arsenal. Tonali is a very good player and whilst they've probably overpaid by £15 million, he'd have improved us massively. Fernandes, I don't really get the hype, so he's a punt but he's 21 years old. They obviously see something in him, as did United and other clubs who held an interest.
What this all goes back to is whether the players they bring in (and they will, because they have to) are going to be good enough. The PL is the best league in the world and most players who come here can't cut it and we need established players who can step in immediately.
I'm sick of the club signing players who aren't good enough and then being unable to move them on. As such, I'd rather see them "overpay" for someone with proven quality at this level, like Cunha and Mbuemo, than take a punt on players from abroad.
We've been unable to move players on because the sort of clubs that want our not good enoughs cant get near the wages we've been handing out.
Like you I've never been overly bothered by transfer fees. The salaries we've been paying have been the single biggest issue this club have been dealing with the last few seasons. Thankfully we only have Rashford now hanging around on a monster contract.
Imo, you come off as a bit naive.
People can argue as much as they want about the reasons behind it, but the fact is that we had a bloated and overly expensive squad that wasn’t performing anywhere near the requirements, it was a combination of high transfer fees and high wages, putting us in an awkward position where it’s extremely difficult to get rid of players without taking a massive hit. Most recent examples include Sancho, Onana and Rashford. It really shouldn’t be lost on anyone how much of a setback that is and how it effects us going forward. If Højlund wages had been higher, it would’ve been a lot more painful to get rid of him and finance a replacement.
Fact is that we need a bit of a reset, build a proper foundation. It’s not that we aren’t able to, can’t afford etc certain players, but we’re not really in a position to make room for it. Arsenal have a very solid foundation, they don’t need to rebuild the squad, they can spend the odd £100 something mill on a defender/midfielder/striker without it having a major impact on other areas that needs improvement. It becomes a question of improving one position or several, and what is most beneficial for the team, and the players that are available. Chelsea is a joke club, while Liverpool can easily struggle going forward if last summers transfer spree doesn’t pay off.
I fail to understand why you think that i’m pretending that Fernandes wasn’t a priority to us. He was obviously a priority within the financial limits we had set for that player, and the financial limits are based on our thoughts on how he’s been performing so far, his potential going forward. As soon as the financial package goes beyond that it also has an effect on player priorities and we have to make a decision. For whatever reason, we didn’t want to match the offer Tottenham made. I don’t know why, you don’t know why, there’s multiple plausible reasons that goes beyond «we can’t do anything». Personally, i don’t think it’s unlikely that we didn’t think the finances made sense combined with being less than pleased that the player was happy either way. We wanted to sign Sean Longstaff, had our valuation, Newcastle wanted more than £50mill for him and for obvious reasons we were no longer interested. It’s not that we couldn’t have paid it, it’s just that the valuation was miles outside what we determined the player was worth and we were clearly right not to pay it. You’re right, the general notion is that we want to bring in up to 3 midfielders, obviously depending on costs and outgoing players. It’s fairly clear that spending much more on a player we don’t think it’s worth it is going to have a detrimental effect on our ability to strengthen the squad. As Amber Heard says, shit or get off the bed. We’ll know soon enough if we’re fecking things up or if we’re making wise decision.
To be honest, rightfully so. The moment Fernandes fell thru, the club should have been finalizing a deal for Alex Scott or another target. All the praise for Wilcox and co last season was definitely a jinx!
Nmecha : ~100M
Wharton : ~100M
Tchoumeni : 80-100M
Alex Scott : ~80M
Baleba : ~80M
Bouaddi : 70M+
Bruno G : 70M+(not sure if available)
Our targets and their rumoured price points. No value in the market?
Wharton : ~100M
Tchoumeni : 80-100M
Alex Scott : ~80M
Baleba : ~80M
Bouaddi : 70M+
Bruno G : 70M+(not sure if available)
Our targets and their rumoured price points. No value in the market?
Already been mentioned a lot about Wharton being too similar to Mainoo, hasn't it?
Has Beleba not been so good last season, to play into our hands at a lower fee?
Ferdinand is raving about Tchoumeni; it seems decent enough, but what about Camavinga?
There's loads of value in the market. You just have to go find it. United tend not to.
It's easy when you don't go along with the pseudo-economics going on in football and pay these fantasy made up prices.
Spent my whole youth hearing Fergie say "there's no value in the market" then watch as a team that isn't us goes and finds value in the market.
Look at Newcastle. Talk is they're gonna turn Tonali into Smit and Manzambi. That's value in the market.
It's easy when you don't go along with the pseudo-economics going on in football and pay these fantasy made up prices.
Spent my whole youth hearing Fergie say "there's no value in the market" then watch as a team that isn't us goes and finds value in the market.
Look at Newcastle. Talk is they're gonna turn Tonali into Smit and Manzambi. That's value in the market.
I like him, wanted us to get him from Rennes. He's less defensively capable (not a bum though) but has better passing so it's a trade off. I'd just sign whichever of the two it is Madrid want to unload and for the right price wouldn't be against both of them.
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I think our recruitment has been fantastic the last few windows, but Fernandes and Tonali going for close to 200m combined probably ends up making us look for the "lemmens-type" signings for the midfield. I don't think we'll look within the PL either, everyone is just slapping 30+ million on top of the previous prices. Would not be shocked if some random 22-23 year old from the Belgian/French/German leagues gets signed out of nowhere.
The other side of me does worry though that we thought we could bargain shop the relegated teams or Bournemouth type teams and just didn't see the Anderson move impacting that much and now we blown through option A-B-C and D with really limited options left AND we are now stuck with Rashford/Ugarte wages on the books.
The other side of me does worry though that we thought we could bargain shop the relegated teams or Bournemouth type teams and just didn't see the Anderson move impacting that much and now we blown through option A-B-C and D with really limited options left AND we are now stuck with Rashford/Ugarte wages on the books.
Wharton isn't similar at all to mainoo is he?
Yep, Newcastle will be smart to sign both of them. Unlike Utd.
Manzambi and Smit will both come in as a pair for probably less than what Fernandes cost Spurs.
They are very exciting young players. The issue for Newcastle is that those are Brighton type signings.
And while that's something many fans often envy (signing the likes of Caicedo cheap before they are worth 100m) if you make only those types of signings you're becoming a feeder club. Because the likes of Manzambi and Smit will be inconsistent. And by the time they're consistently great they'll want a move away because you've never really challenged for trophies.
These types of signings work for ambitious big clubs if you buy them while retaining your core of key players. If they can keep Guimaraes, Hall, Livramento etc. and Tonali & Gordon remain the only first teamers that go plus signing a few experienced players also they might be fine, big course.
This is absolute perfect sense, not sure what it's doing on the Cafe?!
Winds me up when people claim we should sign these players that Brighton, Brentford et al end up signing.
They sign them because they can put up with the original shortcomings and grow them as players giving them plenty of game time.
A similar profile player at United has a huge amount of pressure heaped on them to win every game, be perfect every game, and one mistake is amplified. They won't get the same game time, and they won't get the time to improve their game.
This is the reason the club wants to focus on 'ready made' Premiership players in my opinion. The issue is focusing on these players does raise the price, so it's important to do the due diligence to make sure we get it right.
I would rather we overpay for proven quality than dish out 50-70 mill for average players we will never be able to sell like Ugarte. Hopefully Ederson will not fall under that category as well.
The point for me is we’ve had at least a year to see that midfield was going to be a challenge for us this summer and we should have been better prepared. This just isn’t good enough considering our stature and our CL qualification.
The market is what it is. If you want to play, this is what it costs. Get on with it, or find value somewhere else. I don’t care either way, but I do care that we’ve accomplished almost nothing when we’ve known midfield was where we need to invest our cash for at least a year. We’ve finally built momentum on the pitch and the board have responded with the equivalent of a wet fart in the wind
The market is what it is. If you want to play, this is what it costs. Get on with it, or find value somewhere else. I don’t care either way, but I do care that we’ve accomplished almost nothing when we’ve known midfield was where we need to invest our cash for at least a year. We’ve finally built momentum on the pitch and the board have responded with the equivalent of a wet fart in the wind
The problem with the "feeder club" mentality is that these clubs are now asking a kings ransom for their players. When these players are ready to move on.
Real Madrid, the biggest and most successful club in world football have over past decade bought a whole load of kids and integrated them into the squad. They didn't send them out to feeder clubs or in some cases even their B team.
If Real Madrid can do it and stay competitive why can't Utd?
As long as you have a few experienced pros and a good balance in your squad of age ranges, you can bring in some youngesters and develop them in house.
Even seasoned journalists have commented that the likes of Utd need to take more risks in the market, and therefore not end up in the situation of paying a fortune for a player.
Alledgly we have one of the best data analytics departments in the PL. So where are the rough diamonds that the data is uncovering ? Why aren't we going after them?
Really??
You seriously think the club haven't prepared? They've just been sitting around doing absolutely nothing all this time?
I know it's not my money, but I've got zero problem with the club baulking at paying 80m for Alex Scott and instead deciding to look elsewhere.
I'm hoping the silence is due to us abandoning plans to sign some of the established names which are all insane money, and deciding which Lammens and Dorgu type names we want to get.
I'm hoping the silence is due to us abandoning plans to sign some of the established names which are all insane money, and deciding which Lammens and Dorgu type names we want to get.
Just putting this out there for anyone who is struggling a bit with the fact the world cup is holding up many a transfer...
So far there have been just 32 signings across the Premiership, with three teams equating nearly half of all these signings....(Spurs, Chelsea and Brighton with 15 altogether).
Seven teams are still yet to make a signing, with at least four others yet to make a significant signing.
Yet it's United who are unprepared, awful at transfers etc despite us actually making a transfer already (albeit not fully ratified due to....gasp....the World Cup).
So far there have been just 32 signings across the Premiership, with three teams equating nearly half of all these signings....(Spurs, Chelsea and Brighton with 15 altogether).
Seven teams are still yet to make a signing, with at least four others yet to make a significant signing.
Yet it's United who are unprepared, awful at transfers etc despite us actually making a transfer already (albeit not fully ratified due to....gasp....the World Cup).
Funny how we only bother to look for value when we make it into the CL, then we inevitably miss out again the following season because we haven't pushed on by strengthening the team enough
Its not always possible to be fully prepared with something as wildly unpredictable as the transfer market. There are too many variables. Too many other players in the game.
Ive seen too many posts in here now saying something along the lines of 'well this is the market, and you have to pay up'. No, you dont have to pay up. If you let the clubs making mistakes dictate your strategy for you, then you end up even worse off than they are. I sincerely hope United dont go down that road. Evidence suggests that we wont.
Think this is going to be a dominoes type window. Mostly once the WC has nearly finished.
Once Madrid and PSG splash the big cash then other players will become available and those deals will then happen and lots will cascade down from there.
At the moment lots of prelim discussions and teams getting options lined up.
Other than Spurs nobody else has yet done anything.
Once Madrid and PSG splash the big cash then other players will become available and those deals will then happen and lots will cascade down from there.
At the moment lots of prelim discussions and teams getting options lined up.
Other than Spurs nobody else has yet done anything.
„No value on the market“? - more like „Not enough money on the bank to compete on the market“
Exactly, See my post above,
32 signings made in the Premiership so far, with 15 of those going to three clubs (Brighton, Chelsea and Spurs).
7 teams have made zero signings, three teams have made one.
The WC is having an affect on transfer dealings as it always does, whenever KO rounds hit transfers are inevitably slowed.
I would have no issues with the transfer valuation and by all accounts United were almost there.
So indeed the sticking point does seem to have been around salary
But I still wonder if there was still more than one way to skin a cat
If it's paying Mateus Fernandes at the reported 250k/week then I'm glad that we stayed far away from it. He would be amongst the top earners at the club yet he is not quite the finished article.
It's one step at a time. They sign Manzambi and Smit and imo they'll be moving them on in 2-3 years to PSG or Madrid or something for 100m a pop (and I don't want to toot my own horn too much but I'm right more often than I'm wrong). They might be inconsistent as they adjust but I think for both of them their floor is still mediocre. I don't see them being a liability on their off days.
They can then take that 200m and sign two 100m midfielders and now they have an elite midfield.... and what will we be doing? Based on past history, still screwing about trying to solve the problem except we'll be down one Bruno Fernandes on top of it by then.
Or we could just slap Manzambi and Smit on the credit card/take it out of next seasons budget idk and get a Tchouameni-type and be sorted ourselves... It'd show ambition if nothing else and they're young enough that they'll retain most of their value if it doesn't work out and we want to move them on.
Got to do something either way instead of our SOP of crying about value then getting Amrabaat in on loan or spunking max wads on garbage in a panic.
Both can be true.
LvG and EtH don’t get even remotely enough hate for the financial damage they have done to this club, with their nepotistic, deer in the headlights, FM transfer strategy that set the club years back financially and competitively.
If SAF had even half of their budgets to spent we would have walked to 7 PL titles in a row and probably another CL.
A farce.
Sure as hell seems like it. If you're "evaluating targets" in fecking July, you've already fecked up and you're months behind schedule. You should have your prioritised list of players ready to go. Can't get number one? Go for number two. Then repeat until you get the player.
Barring a surprise, it's going to be a calamitously bad summer and crying about the lack of value isn't going to be of much comfort to us come Christmas when the season is sailing out of view.
Newcastle's owners have loftier ambitions than being a feeder club, if Manzambi really was that good PSG would be all over him already, given that they love a young player.
United don't need another attacking midfielder so pointless going after Manzambi, and as for Smit, the player that everyone seems to have been raving about for about the past year, I'm very surprised Real haven't invested already.
But then I guess that shows that he isn't at that level yet, which is the level United need to be aiming for should we only get two more midfielders.
United cannot afford to buy potential for our midfield currently, they need players for the here and now.
Don't believe everything you read.
Its pretty clear United have their targets, so I'm not sure why you need to melt down, there's plenty of the transfer window left, plenty of the targets will be at the WC still,
Again I reiterate, 7 clubs haven't made a signing yet, there's been only 32 transfers so far in the Premiership this window with 15 of those going to three clubs, I guess that means everyone else is still 'evaluating targets' or does that just apply to United?
To be honest I don't give a shit about what the rest do, and we've seen United repeat this exact pattern of failure many times before.
Wow almost every club in the transfer market must be failing then.
Who have we missed that's proven quality? Anderson chose City
Fernandes is not proven imo
Tonali is very middling as a player
So pray tell who is proven quality
Guimaraes. We should sign him