right, right, I take it that by not answering my question you’re in agreement that like most things it’s no guarantee of anything and shouldn’t incite blind faith then?
Wasn't the same argument made against Zidane before he replaced Benitez?
Don’t know, I wasn’t there
We went for the heroic Scot narrative, then we tried the supposed sure things with LvG and Mou, how did that turn out? We didn’t go with one of our own, not until the 4th manager post-Fergie (sry Giggs, you don’t count).That seems to hold a lot of weight in regards to justifying a managerial appointment these days. Allegedly.
How come Liverpool went through like 2 decades of “one of their own” managerial appointments and it took a German with pearly yellows to get them right?
Doesn’t really answer my question, but are you saying this is pretty much just another shot in the dark and people that question it shouldn’t be drowned out with qualifiers like “know what the club is about” as if that amounted to much then?
How can I answer your question when it’s based on a flawed premise?
Did those guys Liverpool hired not know the mentality needed at a club like theirs? So during the winning run it was Ole showing his qualities, now in the losing run it’s the players (injuries and fatigue)? How does us winning multiple games against the run of play factor into that?
Nightmare inducing stuff
Klopp was one of the names being touted in the press to replace Moyes. Many on here wanted it
But, Klopp was no really available then. And when he became available Van Gaal was entering his second season.
He was already done with Dortmund at the time and gave up competing with Bayern. Im sure he'd have walked for the right price
because there is more than one variable involved in successThat seems to hold a lot of weight in regards to justifying a managerial appointment these days. Allegedly.
How come Liverpool went through like 2 decades of “one of their own” managerial appointments and it took a German with pearly yellows to get them right?
Given the posts in the ‘Should we hope Man City beat us’ thread, there’s probably a decent number of Man Utd who in hindsight would’ve taken Klopp and been happy to finish 6th every season since if it meant Liverpool didn’t get him and a shot at the title this season!
I guess the point is that "knowing the club" doesn't make it more or less likely that a manager will succeed. It's a variable with very little significance.
I agree with your point, but it's also barely worth talking about because fortunately, Ole has seemed anything but clueless so far in my opinion.
It basically means "my son, Rojo"
I can't really explain it further, one of my friends said it and it sounds funny in HungarianTell your son to find a new club and send a whatsapp message to Smalling "You can't pass to save your amigo, ye prick".I agree with your point, but it's also barely worth talking about because fortunately, Ole has seemed anything but clueless so far in my opinion.
It basically means "my son, Rojo"
This is such a stupid argument. You would have a point if those 4 were the only managers in the world but they aren't, are they? Actually it reminds me of that Seinfeld episode "The Oppsite" when Jerry tells George; "If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right.". While it worked out for him in that episode that logic isnt working in real life. Just because we've tried 2 experienced managers and failed doesnt mean we have to go to the other side of the spectrum to come good.
i think that's romantism. Players like pogba de gea etc wont give a feck about giggs keane scholes ole. They respect him because of his role as the manager, i dont think that fazed then that much. Younger player might give them abit more credit but i believe past achievements as players only gets you 1 month of respect before their man management skill took over.
Well someone sold our club as adult disneyland...
I know what it means, I'm quite good at my native languageI agree with your point, but it's also barely worth talking about because fortunately, Ole has seemed anything but clueless so far in my opinion.
It basically means "my son, Rojo"
Yeah. That's the same.
If the aim is to get the United under fergie back, then knowing the club is essential. If the aim is simply to be successful, then knowing the club is merely a bonus. Its helpful, but it won't be the reason he succeeds, just as it won't be the reason he fails.That seems to hold a lot of weight in regards to justifying a managerial appointment these days. Allegedly.
How come Liverpool went through like 2 decades of “one of their own” managerial appointments and it took a German with pearly yellows to get them right?
Nice soundbite but what is the “United under Fergie”?
So we are just gonna ignore what kind of squad Zidane and Pep had?
Indeed. The ‘boot room’ method ended with Roy Evans.With respect is your question even right? Which one of their appointments before Klopp was one of their own? They had Kenny Dalglish for 1 season. Not 2 decades, and an ex manager who already had some level of success at that.
I don’t recall Houllier, Benitez, Hodgson or Rodgers having any connection to Liverpool? I get people bring knee jerk about Solskjaer not being right or experienced enough, but this is completely the opposite to most of our appointments and mirrors 1 year of Liverpool, not 2 decades
It ended with Souness. Ex-player for sure, but he’d cut his managerial teeth elsewhere and was brought in for the express purpose of giving the boot room culture a shakeup, as the club felt it had got complacent in Dalglish’s later years. Instead of a shakeup, he took an axe to it. With disastrous consequences
. Evans was an attempt to get back to it, but the damage was too deep by then.I was assessing Ole, I can't speak much for the likes of Souness and Dalglish, and the particular problems Liverpool faced in their transition.
Try reading it again. His claim was that we've fallen into the pitfalls that Liverpool did back in the day with their club history appointments, when we demonstrably didn't do that for the first 6 years post Fergie.
Klopp hasn't won anything yet with Loserpool.
There is no luck in it, we could have gone all in for Zidane but we stuck with Mourinho..after few months for what? OGS? We suck at lot of things in management, its obvious, so there is no luck just brainles people making wrong choices.
