After selling Rojo for 25m what would our actual expenditure be?
Roughly 40m?
Roughly 40m?
100m budget for 2019 Summer window
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What a brilliant performance by Woodward.
So close to the magic 0 net spend marker. Job well done!
So close to the magic 0 net spend marker. Job well done!
I doubt anyone believes we have a strict budget anyway and we can probably spend more if a certain player becomes available. It’s more of the fact that we’re not improving obvious areas of weakness which makes people that we’ve tightened the purse strings.
Poor frankenstein. He left Leicester thinking he'll be joining a better side
Pepe? He was available. I’m sure Ole would take a winger and another striker given the opportunity. I’m sure he’d sign a midfielder or two as well. Why aren’t we replacing Herrera and Matic? If he’s happy with our midfield then he’s brain dead.
It's called going 'over budget' apparently...
I'll be honest I'm hoping we sell even more players so the net spend this summer is £0. I mean if there's going to be a meltdown over net spend may as well do it properly
Seriously am I the only one who sees the club operating properly as a positive? We bought Lukaku for 75m and sold him 2 years later only taking a 3m loss (if the rumours about Everton getting 5m are true). We've walked away from deals which would have caused even more disproportion in the wage structure (Dybala) whereas previously (Sanchez) we ignored such things
Yes we're short in midfield and attack but if we've levelled up the defence the way we have for just £73m that's a good thing is it not? Obviously it's a glass half empty crowd here but if the money we've made back from Lukaku means money for someone like Sancho and the right midfielder next summer then I'm all for it
Correct. Then add 10m for Fellaini, 10m for Darmian and the £ from a Zaha-sale and it's a profit! Well played Ed.
That's another matter, though I agree with you. We significantly improved the defense (I actually think that we will also play better cause of that, especially with Maguire being great at passing from the back), but the midfield is weaker with Herrera going and Matic becoming useless (though McTominay has stepped in). The attack should hopefully be stronger, we should expect some of Martial, Rashford, Gomes, James, and Greenwood (maybe Dalot too, considering that his best performances last season came from the right wing) to step in.
All in all, I think we will be in a fight for the fourth place and a lot will depend on those 4 players I mentioned.
To be fair, I am not a fan of signings for the sake of signings, that is a reason why we are in this mess. If we have really identified Sancho for the right wing position next season, then better to wait for a year rather than spending 40m pounds or so in some inferior player who would be in high wages, and by next season would be called 'deadwood'. Either sign elite players or give the chance to our talented youngsters.
Me too. It is clear that both AWB and Maguire are players we really wanted and that massively improve us. It also shows that we are finally acting responsibly instead of just throwing money at the problem and hoping that the problem goes away.It's called going 'over budget' apparently...
I'll be honest I'm hoping we sell even more players so the net spend this summer is £0. I mean if there's going to be a meltdown over net spend may as well do it properly
Seriously am I the only one who sees the club operating properly as a positive? We bought Lukaku for 75m and sold him 2 years later only taking a 3m loss (if the rumours about Everton getting 5m are true). We've walked away from deals which would have caused even more disproportion in the wage structure (Dybala) whereas previously (Sanchez) we ignored such things
Yes we're short in midfield and attack but if we've levelled up the defence the way we have for just £73m that's a good thing is it not? Obviously it's a glass half empty crowd here but if the money we've made back from Lukaku means money for someone like Sancho and the right midfielder next summer then I'm all for it
In
Maguire = 80 million
Wan Bissaka = 50 million
James = 15 million
Total = 145 Million
Out
Lukaku = 77 million
Rojo = 25 million
Total Spent = 43 million
Cheers @Bestietom
Maguire = 80 million
Wan Bissaka = 50 million
James = 15 million
Total = 145 Million
Out
Lukaku = 77 million
Rojo = 25 million
Total Spent = 43 million
Cheers @Bestietom
Is Rojo actually being sold?
So you're happy in having Pogba as our only decent CM, no quality RW and no cover for Rashford?
You literally only read the first line. Going 'over budget' is a common term in the workplace.
Do you really think a multi-billion £ organisation with a Financial invester/accountant as Executive Vice-Chairman, is not going to chair a meeting after the worst season in years and outline a stratergy/financial plan for the coming years?
And during an already inflated transfer market, this same Executive Vice-Chairman is not going to discuss a realistic budget for the coming window. Instead we are just going ot wing it and see what happens?
Whats more plausible here? That we entered the market with a budget discussed, or without one?
It just happens that £100m, coincidentally or not, looks to be the ball park figure.
What's responsible in letting arsenal and spurs strengthen in the positions we needed. We also threw money at the problem on Maguire and AWB when clearly they were not worth the money and we got taken to cleaners.
Acting responsibly is super unsexy though isn't it.
Seriously, I agree with this, as long as it is a case of our being financially responsible and not that the money isn't there. I find it difficult to defend our not replacing Lukaku if indeed this doesn't happen. Unless our kids step up and become a productive part of the squad from right now, we do look light in the attacking half.
Funny and sad at the same time.
Haha so the budget was even lower than we thought. Spend is going to be around 44m.
So the press were right all along.
So the press were right all along.
Absolutely no justifications in not strengthening the the midfield. I also think only one deal at a time is because of the money restrictions we have. If we have to overpay for one player , it will have a subsequent impact on our budget.
State of our club !
Better off with any sugar daddy owned clubs.
State of our club !
Better off with any sugar daddy owned clubs.
this to me is even worse as this year alone we have given new contracts to Rojo, Jones, Young, Mata and Pereira when they should all have been let go. I have no clue what our strategy is. Is it to maintain our wage bill by keeping players who are not good enough and then inhibiting our ability to sing new players due to this wage bill. sounds like a plan
This would be amazing if in the same window we did not lose over 80 first team appearances from our midfield and forward line last season and then not replace them. If this would have been done, something that should not have been too difficult with 84 days to do it, then this window would have been very good and the club really would have been acting responsible.
We have 200m pounds lying in the bank. Of course, it makes perfect sense to keep some of them in case of emergency, but 200m is a bit too much. So, the money is definitely there.
Lukaku was on the bench under Ole, and we 'replaced' him by giving 200k/week to both Martial and Rashford. They should prove themselves now, or we should get rid of them.
There wasn't a single player they signed, that we wanted to sign. Going for players that weren't really in our plans is arguably the main reason why we are in this mess.
We also threw money at the problem on Maguire and AWB when clearly they were not worth the money and we got taken to cleaners.
And as I said, we would have signed Dybala if he wanted to come here, and we at least opened the bid for Longstaff with 25m (if there was a chance to sign him, he would have cost more), so we would have gone over the budget for around 70m pounds or so, which is almost the double of the entire budget, and makes the theory that we had only 100m to spend a bit nuts.
And half the caf lost their mind everytime Lukaku and Fellaini were playing. They won't be missed, and I think that Lukaku's appearances will be easily replaced by those of James, Gomes and Greenwood (with Rashford/Martial occupying left wing and No. 9).
I believe that Herrera will be missed but then, and we should have replaced him.
Our net spend is practically zero so 100 budget is optimistic
Alexis Sanchez will be like a new signing
Greenwood for right wing
Martial and Rashford on fire
Mata to redeem himself in number 10
No worries, we are set for a good season Lads.
Greenwood for right wing
Martial and Rashford on fire
Mata to redeem himself in number 10
No worries, we are set for a good season Lads.
It is around 80m at the moment (providing that Lukaku's signing goes through).
Haven't people realised that throwing money at the problem does not work. 80% of Uniteds signings of the past 7 years have been shite. Yes the structure at the club is wrong, they need someone else on transfers whether that's a dof or whatever. But just buying players for the sake of it does not work. The signings they've made have been good. The defence looks a lot better. The midfield needed another and a right sided forward. But maybe the right signings aren't there to be made. What it means is more chances for Gomes, Greenwood and Garner which is better than spending £60+ million on players that would probably be no better.
We might sell Darmian.. but that money has already been spent on Hannibal.
Probably getting a loan fee for Deano as well..
Good job Woody.
Probably getting a loan fee for Deano as well..
Good job Woody.
I'm more of the opinion that Maguire, AWB, James and Longstaff were the targets before the window opened (once it was established Sancho was off the table this year) and Lukaku was being pushed out. Which would have brought our net spending to approx £100m
Dybala wasn't anticipated before this 'budget' was set and was an oppurtnity that we couldn't miss. If we had to dip into unallocated resources to make it happen, we would have.
That's what's idiotic isn't it? Clearly Ndombele, Nicolous pepe are better than what we have in our team in matic, mctominay, fred and Lingard and mata.
It's just a poor excuse of not spending money and getting beat because the players think we are not in a position to win and better their careers. Who is responsible for this when they see such dross collected in the team and huge contracts given to deadwoods like Jones, mata, lingard. Young and Matic with Pogba wating out publically.
Whats wise in that
. Why does Woodward have excuses all the time ?That might be well, the case. Maybe identifying 3-4 players that we wanted, but willing to splash the cash if a player we cannot miss suddenly becomes available.
Man Utd can do things other team can't...oh wait...
Don't get me wrong I agree with a lot you say but I still dont think it is a very good window and I bet behind closed doors Ole would say the same.
Let's hope the players you mentioned do share those appearnaces and we are not seeing the starting 11 week in week out consisting of Mata and Lingard.
No, is not. Matic was better than Fellaini, but it wasn't a good signing. Bailly was better (at that time) than Evans, but it wasn't a good signing. Lukaku was better than Rashford but it wasn't a good signing. Heck, Sanchez was better than Martial (back then) but it wasn't a good signing. Di Maria was better than anything we had but wasn't a good signing. I can go on forever.That's what's idiotic isn't it? Clearly Ndombele, Nicolous pepe are better than what we have in our team in matic, mctominay, fred and Lingard and mata.
It's just a poor excuse of not spending money and getting beat because the players think we are not in a position to win and better their careers. Who is responsible for this when they see such dross collected in the team and huge contracts given to deadwoods like Jones, mata, lingard. Young and Matic with Pogba wating out publically.
Whats wise in that
Just being better than what we have doesn't make a signing a good signing. The player needs to be the right fit for the club, otherwise you end up with a player who doesn't do well, and who cannot be sold cause is on high wages.
If we really want Sancho next season, tell me how it would have been a good idea to spend 70-80m on Pepe and to pay him 200k/week?
I agree that it wasn't a good window, but I think we improved 2 positions where we were really bad at, and we have a few promising young players. Remember in 2006 we signed only Carrick, and went from crap to arguably the best team in Europe. I don't think that this is happening right now (there are a few other positions we need to improve), but I much prefer this than just spending money on random players which on 1 year we would want to get rid off.
Either spend money on the right players or don't spend at all. I am tired of spending this much money on average players, and then complaining about why we cannot get rid of them.
our B team will soon be our A team.
I said that midfield is an area we should have improved, but bar Rabiot I don't know a really quality midfielder that was available this summer.
McTominey has been playing really good for almost a year now, and Fred needs to either prove his worth or we should get rid of him. Enough with 50m pounds players who cannot even make the bench.
I think that we will be fine in the attack. Between Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Mata, James, Lingard, Greenwood, Gomes, Sanchez (and if needs be Dalot and Chong) we are fine for 3-4 positions. If Rashford gets injured, Martial can play in attack, and someone (Sanchez, Chong or Gomes) play in the left-wing. Or just play Greenwood in the attack. I don't see how it would have been a good idea to spend 50m or so in some good but not great striker when we have Greenwood.
Purse string have been tightened, its been evident since last summer really.
Our netspend this summer is £70m at the moment. This is without taking into account £10m which the club got for Fellaini in January. Rojo goes for rumored £25m? Our spend in calendar year 2019 would be a measly £35m. Just not good enough for a team which finished 6th last season.
Top reds/match going fans will still stand up and applaud everyone though, so it's unlikely we're gonna come out of this mess anytime soon.
Our netspend this summer is £70m at the moment. This is without taking into account £10m which the club got for Fellaini in January. Rojo goes for rumored £25m? Our spend in calendar year 2019 would be a measly £35m. Just not good enough for a team which finished 6th last season.
Top reds/match going fans will still stand up and applaud everyone though, so it's unlikely we're gonna come out of this mess anytime soon.
Nope, I agree with you. We clearly targeted two specific players to improve our defence and landed both. We went after a promising talent in James and got him. What we didn't do was overpay for players (as good as they are) like Dybala, SMS, Longstaff, Inaki, Icardi, Bruno, Rice, et al in terms of hefty fees or massive wage packets. I'm actually quite pleased to see us put our foot down towards the agents looking for a quick payday out of us - about time.It's called going 'over budget' apparently...
I'll be honest I'm hoping we sell even more players so the net spend this summer is £0. I mean if there's going to be a meltdown over net spend may as well do it properly
Seriously am I the only one who sees the club operating properly as a positive? We bought Lukaku for 75m and sold him 2 years later only taking a 3m loss (if the rumours about Everton getting 5m are true). We've walked away from deals which would have caused even more disproportion in the wage structure (Dybala) whereas previously (Sanchez) we ignored such things
Yes we're short in midfield and attack but if we've levelled up the defence the way we have for just £73m that's a good thing is it not? Obviously it's a glass half empty crowd here but if the money we've made back from Lukaku means money for someone like Sancho and the right midfielder next summer then I'm all for it
In fact, getting £100m for Lukaku and Rojo is excellent business in a vacuum. We obviously need another midfielder, there's no denying that but it's positive to me that we're not throwing money at the problem or overpaying the likes of Dybala and his agent just to sign for us.
Fingers crossed it works out.