11 corners today

[Jaxa]

Not one on target.

Considering the quality we have in our team and the height advantage surely this kind of stat needs to be looked at more seriously by the coaching staff, Some teams win games focusing on corners solely and we almost don’t take them serious enough and it’s became a bit of a joke how terrible we are at corners.

I genuinely can’t remember the last time we scored from a corner and I’d be surprised if it’s more than 5 goals in the last 6-7 years , is this simply a coaching issue that needs to be prioritised more ?

 

[horsechoker]

Yeah Shaw was disappointing today, I'm surprised Bruno or someone didn't take one after the 6th or 7th.

 

[LuisNaniencia]

This was winding me up as well. No variation, just kept floating them to the back post and not winning the header. We need to do more.

 

[Offside]

Was thinking this today. I’m not convinced by Shaw on corners. Get Fernandes on then. I remember Maguire scoring one against Chelsea that Bruno took. Maguire also needs to sort his slabhead out the amount of times it balloons of his head for a goalkick is mental.

 

[thegregster]

Why dont we let Pogba take them? Or Greenwood?

 

[daveskimufc]

Not once did I think we would score and even if maguire gets his head to them they go wide. So frustrating

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Maguire the new king (replacing Smalling) of getting his head to corners but not scoring from them.

 

[Sandikan]

Maguire does get his head on a high percentage of them.
But we do have a pretty low completion rate for a team with Varane, Pogba, Maguire and Ronaldo in there.

But we had the same thing with Fellaini and gang under Jose too.

 

[Lay]

Every corner just seemed the same. Surprised Bruno didn't swing one in

 

[Wumminator]

I actually would prefer us to save time and pass it to a West Ham player 25 yards out and let him run at Greenwood or Fred.

 

[Withnail]

Yeah Shaw was disappointing today, I'm surprised Bruno or someone didn't take one after the 6th or 7th.

I was surprised Greenwood didn't at least alternate with Shaw, given how poor Shaw's delivery was.

 

[Dan_F]

I actually would prefer us to save time and pass it to a West Ham player 25 yards out and let him run at Greenwood or Fred.

It’s scary how many times I’ve seen that happen this season. You see Fred pressing the edge of the box and then just a 50 yard gap behind him.

 

[EtH]

Seems like it should be Bruno and Greenwood hitting in-swingers.

 

[2 man midfield]

Annoyed me as well. One thing I don’t understand is why Shaw takes our corners on the left and Bruno on the right. Surely you’d want them the other way round? All this does is result in an out swinging ball with no pace on it, which is easy to defend against.

 

[saivet]

We need to be doing better with them. Pogba, Varane, Maguire, McT and Ronaldo all in the box which is as threatening as you can get in the air.

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

Our problem in recent years was just drilling it straight into the first man, or floating it right on top of the keeper for him to claim easily. Glad we seem to be past that.

I thought quite a lot of the deliveries were good today, but the way we attack them is poor. Still, we need more variation.

 

[Chicharo]

I swear I came back here to open a similar topic.It is not just about corners it is our crossings in general .Plz, we have Ronaldo now.Hope Cavani will make sure we score some headers,plus that Ronnie will do his share.
But what I do not understand is how we cannot even create a chance from this situations.Maguire is as strong as a buffalo, has height, yet he is the only one who can even get to the ball, and it always goes across the bar...
We need that shit, cannot rely from scoring from an open play, it's just not enough

 

[Kag]

Maguire’s heading at corners is infuriating. He seems to score a header for England every couple of games yet he can’t hit a barn door with us.

 

[Shane88]

Said it in the match thread, it's ridiculous.

Pogba, 191cm.
Maguire, 194cm.
Varane, 191cm.
McTominay, 193cm.
Ronaldo, 187cm and leaps like a salmon.

Half the outfield players are very tall. All of them are in the box for corners and we offer zero threat.

 

[DWelbz19]

They were shit today but everyone has to remember — corners are just generally not as successful for scoring from as you’d expect.

One Reddit user analysed 115,199 corners taken in 11,234 matches to see how much use they were. From those, 1,459 goals were from a corner. This meant an average of 4.74 per cent of goals were scored in some way or another from corners, but just 1.27% of corners led directly to a goal.

https://sqaf.club/goals-from-corners-stats/

 

[PlayerOne]

Glad we brought in a coach to improve them! We do seem to defend them better, mind.

Shaw needs to step aside and someone else needs to step up though.

 

[Strelok]

I was watching the Spurs Chelsea game, tbh both sides looked pretty average and created basically no chance at all. But after the Silva's goal from a corner Chelsea suddenly looked much better. Then I think about how many times the City CBs had bailed them out the same way last season. A lot if my memory serves me right. Scoring goals from set pieces is actually very important in the PL.

Imo aside from the midfield issue this one should also have a serious look at asap. If we really want to have a chance at the title.

 

[Tom Cato]

Not one on target.

Considering the quality we have in our team and the height advantage surely this kind of stat needs to be looked at more seriously by the coaching staff, Some teams win games focusing on corners solely and we almost don’t take them serious enough and it’s became a bit of a joke how terrible we are at corners.

I genuinely can’t remember the last time we scored from a corner and I’d be surprised if it’s more than 5 goals in the last 6-7 years , is this simply a coaching issue that needs to be prioritised more ?

Normal corner to goal conversion rate in the Premier League is between 3-4% on the season at an average. Some season a outlier team can have a percentage as high as 10% (WBA in 16/17), or a team having a very good season can sit around 5% conversion rate.

So for every 25-30 corners, you can expect to convert 1 goal. Manchester United, historically has had average or slighly less than average corner conversion dating back several managers. It's just not our thing, or anyone elses for that matter besides the odd game that makes the stat pretty for a while.

 

[marktan]

Question is why has Bruno stopped taking them? I thought he was our best taker, he can do the Modric technique where the ball goes high and fast and then dips. Ramos used to eat those corners up at Real.

 

[RDCR07]

I don’t think Shaw is the problem. His delivery is actually good and in the right areas like the 6 yard box. Our players can’t seem to get on the end of his crossed.

 

[Dominos]

I thought there was plenty of corners into good areas today, obviously when you have so many there will be a couple of poor ones but it's not like we're hitting the 1st man every time like we used to. With the amount of height in our team we should be getting our head on more of them.

I'm quite pleased that we've not conceded from a set piece yet this season, it was a major weakness last year.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

It is incredibly rare to score from corners.

I believe if we scored from 1 of our 11 today it would actually be above the average conversion rate.

The percentage rate is so low that it is probably more sensible to just play it short and build up again even if you have to do so from the back.

 

[robinrooney]

Did we not get a set piece specialist in to coach these ?

 

[Tom Cato]

Did we not get a set piece specialist in to coach these ?

Yes but no one told him that scoring on corners in Premier League is hard so we're back to square one

 

[Solius]

There must have been a tactical reason as to why Shaw kept floating them to the back post. Perhaps we were wary of the counter-attack? Harder to clear a floated ball with pace so if we don’t get the first contact it gives us more time to reshape?

If it wasn’t tactical it was a weird choice.

 

[Trophy Room]

Said it in the match thread, it's ridiculous.

Pogba, 191cm.
Maguire, 194cm.
Varane, 191cm.
McTominay, 193cm.
Ronaldo, 187cm and leaps like a salmon.

Half the outfield players are very tall. All of them are in the box for corners and we offer zero threat.

I’d be really interested to find out if the height of a football team truly correlates with goals from corners. It should, but is there proper evidence to support this? Most premier league teams are well drilled to defend corners and in general scoring rates are low.

 

[Leftback99]

It is incredibly rare to score from corners.

I believe if we scored from 1 of our 11 today it would actually be above the average conversion rate.

The percentage rate is so low that it is probably more sensible to just play it short and build up again even if you have to do so from the back.

From a quick search, around 3% of all corners lead to a goal, 20% lead to a shot.

 

[Grylte]

Hopefully Jones is fit soon, then we have our old corner kick taker back

 

[Ayoba]

Shaw just kept on taking them, we should've tried an inswinger with Bruno, or a short corner, just something different really as ogbona and zouma were eating these up for breakfast.

 

[Cutch]

Shaws corners are pretty average to be honest. Most of his are the outswingers (a bit reluctant to send him across the pitch for the inswinger where he has further to get back) but they often land too far out where you need a hell of a header to score from. I much prefer the fast whipped inswinger that just need a glance in but there are very few masters of it. Ward Prowse springs to mind but not many others

 

[VeevaVee]

Still baffling hardly anyone on the team can take a decent one.

 

[hobbers]

Shaw has always been bad at corners. Really bad for how many he takes for club and sometimes country.

 

[Reddevildans]

Wrote this in the post match thread. Very irritating. The deliveries were not bad imo. Just no belief we will get anything from a corner. Set pieces are the bread and butter for some sides yet we can't muster up one decent chance from one after 11 corners. They can be the difference in the big games.

 

[Brightonian]

I think Shaw's generally very good at taking them, but if someone else does it also means we'll be much more defensively secure against the break, because he's by far the best at that 'last man' quarterback holding role. Fred can't do it at all. Wan Bissaka is ok at it but doesn't have the technique to take the high clearance down really crisply with onrushing attackers.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

I’d have Greenwood on them. He is two-footed and can do an inswinger or outswinger from either side.