Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by AkaAkuma, Jun 12, 2019.
And won another big fat zero.
Of course we will, he's our Mighty Cap after all
I think both Trippier and Rose most likely are gone.
Trippier has gone. If Rose is sold too then most likely we'll sign Ryan Sessegnon and see him properly coached to become a left wing-back, with Davies holding the fort in the meantime.
For RB, right now it looks most likely that Foyth is being prepared to take on this as his main role. But who knows, maybe Poch sees Walker-Peters or Aurier stepping up to the plate.
I thought I posted that this morning no idea why it only posted now, I’m happy with Davies and Sessingon. I’d worry with Aurier, I would worry a lot unless he settles fast. Walker-Peters has ability but would be a lot of pressure, we will have to wait for the friendlies and see how we line up.
So they are our next preseason game...
How are Spurs getting on in preseason? Who have they played so far and what has the score been?
Possible lineup v United next Thursday?
They play their first pre season game tomorrow against Juve.
Ah, ok. That explains why I wasn’t able to find any preseason results online.
They are starting back late then.
Haven’t played yet - First game is tomorrow against Juve.
I’d expect a fairly B team + youngsters lineup. Our defence is really short on players for the tour. We didn’t bring any starting LBs so it will likely be a youth player like Georgiou or Lyons-Foster there, with an outside chance of Walker-Peters (although I think he’s much better at RB).
Overall Aurier, Dier, Davies, Wanyama, Sanchez, and Rose were all left at home so as I said the defence + DM spots will most likely be youth players.
I’d expect plenty of experimentation from Poch with different formations and plenty of youth players that I’m excited to see play. I’m also expecting similar from Ole.
I’ll give a breakdown of the youth players we’ve brought on the tour:
Troy Parrott is likely the highest rated amongst the bunch. He’s a 17 year old Irish striker who joined the youth set up last year and did extremely well showing off a strong all around skill set for the position which often brings a lot of comparisons to Kane that I think are unfair. Lots of word around the club that he could be in and around the first team next year. I still think he needs time as he’s still very young and likely won’t feature in more than a bench spot against a low ranked opponent in the cups and will likely mostly just be training with the first team next year but the opportunity is there for him to prove me wrong.
Oliver Skipp is a name some might recognize because he was promoted to the first team after all our options at midfield and DM crumbled last season from injury/lack of depth. He’s not got any stand out amazing skills, but he’s definitely got the work rate, defensive skills and desire to cut it at DM under Poch. This is a real opportunity for him to impress and actually earn more playing time or a good loan during the season especially with the likes of Dier and Wanyama left at home.
Japhet Tanganga is a personal favourite of mine. Big composed CB with a good passing range. I’ve rated him for awhile and was worried that Poch may not as some other youth CBs like TJ Eyoma and Jonathan Dinzeyi seemed to be more favoured for first team training and bench opportunities last year, but my fears have been alleviated now that he’s been invited on the tour instead of others. Think he has an outside opportunity of making some first team appearances in the cups for us next year if he does well, or if a loan opportunity arises.
Jack Roles is another interesting player. He reminds me a lot of Dele Alli. As he has a similar level of petulance, is tough to peg down what his position actually is, and scores boat loads of goals. He’s somewhat of a CM/AM who has a knack for arriving late and scoring. He had an odd contract dispute last season and many worried he was going to leave on a free, but he re-signed at the end of last season. Glad to see him on the tour and I think he’s another who could be garnering looks for first team action or a loan.
Anthony Georgiou and Brooklyn Lyons-Foster have both been invited to cover at LB because we don’t have any with Davies and Rose both staying at home. Georgiou was mostly a LW in the academy but Poch has played him at LB in the pre-season before. I don’t particularly rate him and think he’s just there to make up the numbers. I do rate Lyons-Foster though who can play anywhere across the back line but I think he needs to add more strength and needs some seasoning before he’ll be ready to garner first team attention.
Jamie Bowden, George Marsh, and Harvey White are all CM/DM options (although Marsh has been a utility man playing almost everywhere for the youth set up) who are just there to make up the numbers in my opinion. Marsh and Bowden are decent energetic midfielders, but I don’t think they have the quality for the first team. White is someone I really rate in the midfield and he definitely has first team potential, but I still think he needs some more time for seasoning.
The last ones are Jonathan De Bie and Alfie Whiteman who are both goalkeepers. I think they have the greatest chance of being upgraded to the top squad albeit as 3rd choice goalkeeper. I wouldn’t be surprised to see one or both feature at times during the pre-season. Michel Vorm left on a free last season opening up a spot and I’m glad that the club appears to be looking at the academy to fill it as it was frustrating watching us take up foreign player spots with 3 goalkeepers. I’m hoping one of these two win the job but I’m not expecting either to ever play unless Lloris and Gazzaniga both were unavailable.
Some great insights into the younger players, thanks!
Why have they been left at home?
Played at AFCON.
Yes. And in Dier's case he had a minor op to recover from.
Yep. A week ago the club said: "Eric Dier has undergone a medical procedure to correct an issue detected during medical assessments on the first day of pre-season training.
Following the successful procedure Eric will now undertake a short period of rehabilitation. He will therefore not travel on the Club's pre-season tour to Singapore and Shanghai."
Was this for the hernia or is it a new problem?
Hernia? He had appendicitis and so had an operation to remove his appendix back in December. So this latest thing is something else.
Yeah that's it, i don't know where I got hernia from.
And he only had one appendix so he can’t really have another op for it.
Also to add more to my bit about the youth goalkeepers Jonathan De Bie and Alfie Whiteman getting some looks: Hugo Lloris has tonsillitis recently so I wouldn’t be surprised if Gazzaniga played 45 against Juve/United and one of the others played 45.
You're only supposed to have one aren't you?
Gazzaniga is very good, I was impressed whenever I saw him play last season. I wouldn't be surprised if he takes Lloris spot by the end of next season.
I like Gazza and I've seen/heard many Spurs supporters with similar views on him. I still think Lloris is the far better keeper despite having a couple howlers last year. I think Gazza's distribution is better, but overall I still think he's backup quality and when Lloris leaves we'll be looking elsewhere for his replacement.
Was a great showing for the youth out there against Juventus.
Parrott and Skipp were absolutely excellent. Skipp motm imo.
Parrott showed some great touches, made some excellent runs, and seemed to have a lot of instant chemistry with Son as they linked up several times in the 45 that they were on.
Skipp bossed the show at DM against a very strong Juventus side and I'm incredibly impressed. It's only pre-season, but he consistently took out passing lanes, won several very good challenges, and showed off a very good work rate and reading of the game which was what I expected. What impressed me most was he showed off an excellent comfort and calmness on the ball against a strong Juve starting 11 and made a few excellent passes that carved straight through their entire midfield. The fact that it seemed like Poch was planning to play him for the full 90 shows me that Poch is very serious about seeing what he can do and giving him more first team opportunities. Which if that's the case Skipp couldn't have done much more to garner himself more meaningful minutes during the season with a performance like that.
Tanganga also looked good, but didn't look like he had much to do especially as Alderweireld looked in impeccable form.
Georgiou, White, and Marsh were all asked to cover at fullback and none really stood out at all. None of them are fullbacks in the academy and White is the only one I really rate but he's too young and inexperienced now to really be pushing for first team action like some of the others.
I don't know why people are overcomplicating things or think that most wide players peak at 28 and decline at 32 when there is no evidence for it whatsoever. Center backs, target men, DM and keepers peak closer to 27 or even 28 , but the wide and pace reliant players tend to peak as early as 24 or 25. A decline for a fullback at 28 like Trippier had is absolute nailed on normal stuff.
And subjectively, I'd say a fullback like him with below average athleticism and defensive game should be expected to begin declining earlier than almost any other type of footballer. Trippier is basically a right-sided slightly worse version of Leighton Baines, who had his last strong season at 30. Trippier probably having his at 27 or 28 isn't some shock.
This is sort of dumb because who knows if it will repeat itself, but my feeling based on last year is that losing Rose would hurt you in the CL but not bother you in the league really.
His class meant he could play the ball cleverly against the high press of top players in the CL, but I could easily see a decent signing at LB replacing his contribution in the Prem. A swap of Rose for Kurzawa makes a ton of sense for PSG and Spurs since Rose could loaf through the Ligue 1 season, perform in the CL and for Spurs, Kurzawa is the kind of talented athletic type whose career has stagnated that Pochettino seems to do well at giving them instructions and a role that helps them, and at 26 he's got a couple nice years left.
Spurs are odds on to sign Sessegnon from Fulham as their new LB. So id imagine Davies with Sessegnon in rotation.
Man, how good are Spurs? If you said 10 years ago that we will be finishing below Spurs for years in a row, everybody would have been laughing. Yet here in 2019, looks like they are set , at least in the near future, for top honors, while we are stuck in purgatory. Pochettino and co have done a fabulous job.
Also, Kane's goal was just insane. Hope he can lead England to a European championship or a World Cup.
Kane’s goal was excellent. Don’t think we have anyone bar Pogba who’d even be able to attempt that.
Saw the first half against Juve, they looked excellent. If we have a thread on 'swarm' then these guys set the bar. Skipp and Winks impressed. Tanganga looked composed.
I so hope Skipp can put in some performances like that when it really matters because it would be massive for the entire squad to have an energetic defensive midfielder playing at that level in the ranks.
True. If both Winks and Skipp do step up a level this season, then alongside Ndombele, Sissoko and Dier we'd have a pretty good set of CM options.
Money well spent.
Cheap at twice the cost. That’s a potentially life long affliction.
Quite an entertaining PR stunt: Kane, Lamela and Alli vs 100 Chinese schoolkids in Shanghai.
Match ended in a draw following a late penalty equaliser from Alli
Janssen finally gone how the hell we got £7-10M for him I have no idea, 2 signings in now Mr Levy.
Terrible signing in hindsight unfortunately - it happens but glad we have finally sold him off.
The risk with Eredivisie, seen many goal machines coming only to crumble, Janssen crumbled more than most.
Surely you didn't get that much for him! That's great business considering.
Was looking into this more, it appears the fee from Monterrey is £6M rising to £8M, then we got a loan free from Fenerbahce of around £2M last year, that's where the £10M figure comes from, I am just glad he is gone.
I had such high hopes for him too. Good luck in Mexico Vin.
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