2021 American Civil War

MrMarcello

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I lived in Warner Robins, Georgia for fifteen years and it has become more obsessed with right wing politics though it was always slanted red/right. Tampa is my home base these days and seems more blue but also not abundantly white, could be a connection there.
 

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I lived in Warner Robins, Georgia for fifteen years and it has become more obsessed with right wing politics though it was always slanted red/right. Tampa is more home these days and seems more blue but also not abundantly white.
That area of Georgia is fire engine red right now.
 

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Still got off pretty lightly. Not sure on the specific rules, but with good behavior I guess he could be out in around two years?

I wonder if these jokers are still diehard Trump supporters. He has completely abandoned them.
 

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Still got off pretty lightly. Not sure on the specific rules, but with good behavior I guess he could be out in around two years?

I wonder if these jokers are still diehard Trump supporters. He has completely abandoned them.
Don't know about that. He may have been the most visible, but I don't think he was violent. There are others who where far, far worse in that respect. (The guy with the zip-ties comes to mind).
 

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I’m weirdly fascinated by American politics, so if you can recommend other good podcasts on the subject, I’ll be grateful.
Look up Scene on Radio's "The land that never was" or whatever their series on American democracy was called.
 

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The shorts in December wasn't a clue :D.

I did enjoy them laughing when the KKKers started doing their COD Cosplay "back, back" :lol:
I'm in a t shirt / basketball shorts combo right now, hence it not looking that out of whack to me!
 

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It was -20 degrees Celsius here today.

Fahrenheit sucks
No arguments from me, but 50% of the US population would shoot me for being a communist if I reported temp in Celsius.

So I guess it was -6ish C and dropping. Should bottom out around -12 C tonight.
 

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A while ago I'd laugh this off. Now...I'm not so quick to dismiss it. The polarization is extremely unhealthy at the moment. However, I'm not old so I don't know how it was the 80s/90s/early 2000s. I can only judge today.
Wouldn’t be a pitched battle between North & South again, more rural v. urban areas.

That said, we are a bit away from that.

I could foresee skirmishes in states like Michigan & Ohio, locations with strong militia representation. But those would be quelled rather quickly.
 

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Wouldn’t be a pitched battle between North & South again, more rural v. urban areas.

That said, we are a bit away from that.

I could foresee skirmishes in states like Michigan & Ohio, locations with strong militia representation. But those would be quelled rather quickly.
Depends who holds congress what would constitute “quelled”
 

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Good point, but it would be the governors who would mobilize their respective national guards.
The instant those gravy seals started their little skirmishes any sane Governor would hammer them down. For the insane ones? That's what the insurrection act is for.
 

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Seems like that Glen Greenwald is totally wrong. Long article here but relevant passage below

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazin...insurrection-trump-coup-2024-election/620843/

“The thing that got our attention first was the age,” Pape said. He had been studying violent political extremists in the United States, Europe, and the Middle East for decades. Consistently, around the world, they tended to be in their 20s and early 30s. Among the January 6 insurgents, the median age was 41.8. That was wildly atypical.

Then there were economic anomalies. Over the previous decade, one in four violent extremists arrested by the FBI had been unemployed. But only 7 percent of the January 6 insurgents were jobless, and more than half of the group had a white-collar job or owned their own business. There were doctors, architects, a Google field-operations specialist, the CEO of a marketing firm, a State Department official. “The last time America saw middle-class whites involved in violence was the expansion of the second KKK in the 1920s,” Pape told me.
This is a bit of a pet peeve of mine where lazy analysts make sweeping judgement on "working class" credentials based on aesthetics when the truth couldn't be further from it. It seems a big hit on twitter especially.
 

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Seems like that Glen Greenwald is totally wrong. Long article here but relevant passage below

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazin...insurrection-trump-coup-2024-election/620843/



This is a bit of a pet peeve of mine where lazy analysts make sweeping judgement on "working class" credentials based on aesthetics when the truth couldn't be further from it. It seems a big hit on twitter especially.
Interesting observations about age and economic anomalies. Not sure how to explain it yet. Does the article give explanations?
 

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Interesting observations about age and economic anomalies. Not sure how to explain it yet. Does the article give explanations?
The main explanation is cultural. That the people who went to protest did so because they have been radicalised to believe the election was stolen and letting the process play out as normal an "illegitimate" administration + future elections will be rigged to set in motion wiping them out and that Trump was the only thing stopping it. There are studies cited that show that while in the grand scheme of 300 million people they make up a very small percentage, that is still millions of people who believe in things like the white replacement theory and that the government is going to take their guns etc. The more specific the questioning got rather than these people withdrawing their commitment to the cause actually they supported more violent measures if it meant they got what they wanted.