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I think it will actually be a good tournament
He was quoting a post complaining that homosexuality is banned in Qatar.I think you missed the point. He wasn't comparing the two.
It doesn't mean a comparison between the act of homosexuality or prositution, but that things that are illegal aren't at all things that can't happen in a country, sometimes without much hassle at all though I wouldn't know the particulars in Qatar myself.He was quoting a post complaining that homosexuality is banned in Qatar.
He responded with: "Lot of things are banned in many countries by law. Prostitution too but does it effect anyone?"
I rate Flick very highly and I do agree with you that the quality of the squad isn't as great as 2014 but past German teams always excel because of their collective team unity, system setup and mental strength rather than individual brilliance but this doesn't seem to be the case now especially with the mental toughness and efficiency following the debacle of the 2018 World Cup. Most of the talented up-and-coming players in 2018 are now entering into their peak years - Kimmich, Goretzka, Gnabry, Draxler - 26-28. The only thing that Germany lacks is a clinical striker upfront like Klose which I don't see Werner being able to do what Klose does. However, like you said as there is no standout favourite this time, it then comes down to the mental strength and efficiency so if Germany can become the old Germany, I do see them winning the World Cup again. I think we will see a lot of penalty shootouts in the knockout stage.Flick is a good coach, but the quality of the squad also went down a bit after he left. So it's not all about him.
Since there is no undisputed favorite this time around there is of course always a chance that they can win it, but if I look at the squad there's few players at their peak and a lot more, who probably need a few more years to get there.
Most of those things are not binary but a spectrum, and one could argue that most if not all countries fail to meet those criterias as well.Basic criterias for a country hosting a WC should be:
- A lawfully elected government elected by the people (where every citizen of a certain age is allowed to vote)
- Freedom of speach
- Freedom of religion
- Freedom of sexual orientation and sexuality
- Equal rights between the sexes
- Respect for UNs human rights
This WC host fails on all points.
Is this really the hill you want to fight and die on?Most of those things are not binary but a spectrum, and one could argue that most if not all countries fail to meet those criterias as well.
FIFA have their own list of criteria.Basic criterias for a country hosting a WC should be:
- A lawfully elected government elected by the people (where every citizen of a certain age is allowed to vote)
- Freedom of speach
- Freedom of religion
- Freedom of sexual orientation and sexuality
- Equal rights between the sexes
- Respect for UNs human rights
This WC host fails on all points.
I have no hill to die on as I wasn't intending this as a whataboutism to defend Qatar, but it may have come across otherwise as English isn't my native language. The WC should never have been given to Qatar, and should have been canceled multiple times since.Is this really the hill you want to fight and die on?
Regarding point 1 and 6, I'll agree there is a spectrum, but:
Point 1: Qatar is as far in the opposite direction of the criteria as possible. Leaders born in to positons of absolute power.
Point 6: Without freedom of speach, freedom of religion, freedom of sexual orientation/sexuality, working conditions for foreign workers etc. you end up in the bottom end of the this creteria as well.
We live in 2022 and it is really shocking that as you say many countries struggle to meet these creterias.
Qatar is a country that legally pursue women who are sexually abused by people other than their husbands, homosexual behaviour is legally pursued, publically criticizing the authorities is legally pursued, criticizing Islam or openly not being a muslim is legally pursued, 6500+ foreign construction workers has died because of their poor working conditions since 2010 etc. The list goes on.
Imagine you're a woman and visit Qatar - You get sexually abused and tell the local police, then you get arrested and receive a sentence of 7 years in prison plus 100 lashes with a whip for out of marriage sex. This happened in Qatar as late as in 2021.
Dude. I'm no fans of qatar but the last part is not how syariah works.Is this really the hill you want to fight and die on?
Regarding point 1 and 6, I'll agree there is a spectrum, but:
Point 1: Qatar is as far in the opposite direction of the criteria as possible. Leaders born in to positons of absolute power.
Point 6: Without freedom of speach, freedom of religion, freedom of sexual orientation/sexuality, working conditions for foreign workers etc. you end up in the bottom end of the this creteria as well.
We live in 2022 and it is really shocking that as you say many countries struggle to meet these creterias.
Qatar is a country that legally pursue women who are sexually abused by people other than their husbands, homosexual behaviour is legally pursued, publically criticizing the authorities is legally pursued, criticizing Islam or openly not being a muslim is legally pursued, 6500+ foreign construction workers has died because of their poor working conditions since 2010 etc. The list goes on.
Imagine you're a woman and visit Qatar - You get sexually abused and tell the local police, then you get arrested and receive a sentence of 7 years in prison plus 100 lashes with a whip for out of marriage sex. This happened in Qatar as late as in 2021.
There's been a quite visible case lately with a Mexican woman who was sexually assaulted in Qatar. She has been acquitted, but only after she got big time support from the Mexican government that paid her lawyer fees and sent their FM to argue her case.Dude. I'm no fans of qatar but the last part is not how syariah works.
Please dont make absurd assumption based on wrong premises.
Many females goes to islamic nation and dont get raped plus whipped
Maybe educate yourself and see the world more beyond your local news outlet
I’m not saying there is a bigger chance of getting sexually abused in Qatar vs other countries. I think most women visiting Qatar doesn’t get sexually assaulted. It’s just shocking that the victim of a rape or sexual abuse can be criminally pursued….Dude. I'm no fans of qatar but the last part is not how syariah works.
Please dont make absurd assumption based on wrong premises.
Many females goes to islamic nation and dont get raped plus whipped
Maybe educate yourself and see the world more beyond your local news outlet
Thanks!There's been a quite visible case lately with a Mexican woman who was sexually assaulted in Qatar. She has been acquitted, but only after she got big time support from the Mexican government that paid her lawyer fees and sent their FM to argue her case.
I tried to find something that wasn't the local news outlet
https://www.gob.mx/sre/prensa/legal...qatar-come-to-a-favorable-conclusion?idiom=en
Sexual assault happens everywhere including the west. It's not only happening because it's qatar.There's been a quite visible case lately with a Mexican woman who was sexually assaulted in Qatar. She has been acquitted, but only after she got big time support from the Mexican government that paid her lawyer fees and sent their FM to argue her case.
I tried to find something that wasn't the local news outlet
https://www.gob.mx/sre/prensa/legal...qatar-come-to-a-favorable-conclusion?idiom=en
Maybe because you really cant trust the media and their biased publication.I’m not saying there is a bigger chance of getting sexually abused in Qatar vs other countries. I think most women visiting Qatar doesn’t get sexually assaulted. It’s just shocking that the victim of a rape or sexual abuse can be criminally pursued….
I find it desturbing that 100% of the replies I’ve received on my latest post regarding Qatar and human right has been defensive….
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The problem highlighted here isn't the sexual assault (as you point out, that happens all around the world and is a problem for women all over the world), it is the fact that she was legally pursued for being sexually assaulted......Sexual assault happens everywhere including the west. It's not only happening because it's qatar.
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Steal it.The right thing to do is to refuse to watch this abomination, but whether I'm capable of doing the right thing remains to be seen.
This is exactly how I feel about it. Been against their hosting it from the start. With Scotland not being there, it will be easier for me not to watch but can I avoid it completely?The right thing to do is to refuse to watch this abomination, but whether I'm capable of doing the right thing remains to be seen.
Yes it is not great. Will be hard time to ignore it though.The right thing to do is to refuse to watch this abomination, but whether I'm capable of doing the right thing remains to be seen.
£££Why is the nations league on after such a long season and knowing that the WC will be in december? I usually don't have much sympathy for today's overpaid footballers but it seems rather harsh they're still playing football in June!
They had to be moved forward because of the World Cup. These games would have been played in the October and November international breaks if we had a regular summer World Cup this year.Why is the nations league on after such a long season and knowing that the WC will be in december? I usually don't have much sympathy for today's overpaid footballers but it seems rather harsh they're still playing football in June!
Straight cash, homie.Why is the nations league on after such a long season and knowing that the WC will be in december? I usually don't have much sympathy for today's overpaid footballers but it seems rather harsh they're still playing football in June!
Isnt booze illegal in these places ?How is Qatar preparing for hosting these games?
Transit systems... recruiting and training staff for the event?
Most notibly how are their police being trained to deal with tens of thousands of drunken fans as I'm guessing that's not something they encounter very often
Have a feeling it will look nice on TV but will be somewhat shambolic off camera
Drinking in public and being drunk in public is illegal. There will be drinking zones I’d imagine but as we know that won’t be adhered to, so look out.Isnt booze illegal in these places ?
They are going to allow drinking in fan parks and in the desert camps they are planning for fansIsnt booze illegal in these places ?
They have an idea as they have had to deal with drunk Americans from the airbase, but they will probably be unprepared for the scale of the WC.They are going to allow drinking in fan parks and in the desert camps they are planning for fans
I have my doubts they know quite what they are letting themselves in for
Dessert camps would be more appealingDesert camps .... Jesus wept.
Agreed. I'm disgusted by this whole shamDessert camps would be more appealing
Good analogy.Something about these desert camps screams "Fyre Festival" to me. Hopefully everything works out, but could end up being a massive catastrophe.