Add to that the fact tennis is a non contact sport and they regularly sit and eat/hydrate and rest through the game.Comparing tennis with footballI’ve seen it all now.
tennis players are in action for about 15 seconds on average, then rest for another 30 seconds in between taking a serve. Yes the length is more but it’s way more stop starting which is way easier to maintain.
anyway the proof is in our performances, the only players who looked themselves were rashford and martial. The rest looked dead.
I have a bad feeling we’re going to run Bruno into the ground and get him injured, then our “confidence and motivation” goes right out the window.
2nd string against Chelsea? Or do we risk more tiredness
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I want us to win every competition we play in but everything has a price. Is going all out in this game worth potentially hampering our main target?
Of course we don’t know whether it would hamper our league matches. I personally don’t believe it will - obviously neither perspective can be proved correct.
Personally I'd rest the likes of Bruno, Greenwood and at least one of Martial or Rashford, maybe even Pogba. But I don't think Ole is going to. I reckon he's going to go all out first team with the probably exception of Greenwood.
Well, I reacted as I did because it did sound like that and a lot of other posters on here seem to have that attitude. I never take things personally but I do get annoyed by some of the top red groupthink that sometimes goes on here.
I also appreciate the trophy point. However, if you think of that 2016 squad, the FA Cup win didn't do much for our progression.
I think coming through in the clutch for top 4 will be a much more important thing in terms of the squad's mentality because these players failed in a similar fashion last season. Rectifying mistakes of the past is certainly a hallmark of growing and developing squad.
Exactly, the demands are different, the conditioning is different, they are different athletes who happen to play sport. You can't really compare.
I think Bruno needs a rest - can always bring him on if needed
Those two teams have shown that getting top 4 is not absolute bare minimum. Is there a formula somewhere using that? How about winning trophies as step stone? Just like United under SAF before he started the League domination.
1989-90. Won FA Cup. 16th on the League
1990-1991. Won Cup Winners Cup, Final of League Cup. 6th on the League
1991-1992. Won League Cup and European Super Cup. 2nd on the League
1992-1993. Won the League.
.. and the rest is history.
So if you learn history of Manchester United, there's a pattern there of progress by winning trophies first. We may win Europa League Cup, so there's still a chance of trophy this season though. But claiming scrapping for 4th as absolute bare minimum is frankly BS.
Also learn about Liverpool's progress under Klopp.
I hope we don't rest our players, they need the experience of winning, and fighting on all fronts, and if that means playing while tired and scraping through games - basically winning ugly, then they need to learn that its what it takes to be at a big club.
Let's win the FA Cup, Europa League and get 3rd!
Let's win the FA Cup, Europa League and get 3rd!
Comparing things to the 90's is a little redundant. DIfferent times. Different team. At this point, it's pretty much a different game.
Again though, you're misunderstanding what I am saying. I am suggesting that for our aspirations to be a top team again the first cornerstone or foundation is continual champions league qualification. Not only to play against a higher quality of opponent but also to allow us to obtain the Sancho's of the world.
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The consequences of starting a less than strongest team. The injury is suffered by the player who had played the least. Surprisingly.
Now we are chasing the game. With injuries. Chelsea will delay the game now and park the bus and hustle.
Now we are chasing the game. With injuries. Chelsea will delay the game now and park the bus and hustle.
Bailly head bang has nothing to do with lack of playing time.
And it seems most people wanted even more changes.
There was no need to play Bailly, the back 4 were fine.
Glad Martial is on. Be good to get Pogba and Greenwood on the pitch Before the 60 min mark.
Ironically, we should have started Romero. Wouldn't have conceded that soft goal then.
Of course not, it is purely coincidental but the point is that it is ironic that we make all these plans to protect the players that have played the most and "probably tired and therefore might get an injury" and then it turns out that it is someone else that probably does not make a difference to your overall plans in the first place. Trying to be too clever sometimes rather than keeping it simple. The most important game is always the next one.Bailly head bang has nothing to do with lack of playing time.
I can understand the change of players, what I don't get is the tactics, we have looked very good playing the 4231 why do we need to change it against f... Chelsea. Ole doesn't do himself a favor there
Wow pretty insulting. But it's okay, I will take the moral high ground and move on quietly..
All those who wanted to rest players, feeling good about this performance are we?
Totally agree with this. Those saying fa cup doesn't matter etc are talking rubbish.
We didn’t even rest the players who needed resting, it was an odd team selection that wasn’t good enough to win and kept players who needed a game off badly in the starting lineup.
Answer to OP is now universally clear:
In the end, there was no strategy available that led to our victory given Chelsea’s extra 2 days rest and our cumulative fatigue.
We should have played our 2nd XI and fully rested all our big guns.
There is no upside to any of Ole’s selection decisions today.
In the end, there was no strategy available that led to our victory given Chelsea’s extra 2 days rest and our cumulative fatigue.
We should have played our 2nd XI and fully rested all our big guns.
There is no upside to any of Ole’s selection decisions today.
Nobody wanted to rest the players Ole "rested" in such a half arsed manner before then pissing all over the idea of resting players by throwing them all on to chase the game.
Literally every decision Ole made today was the wrong one. Every single decision.
Disagree. We should have played our best team in our best formation. End of.
Getting beat is for morale and it's important to keep momentum.
It seems like Ole agreed also. Even though we found out we're not good enough
.I wanted to rest the starting XI. If he started a second string XI it wouldn’t have been bad even losing 3-0. It’s the fact that he started a pretty strong XI barring a couple of players then brought them on as well and we were still shit. That’s what bugs me more. He didn’t end up resting anyone and the bigger problem is we got a game bigger than this in another two days time.
This.
The players needed the rest, and in the end Ole rested no one and we were awful. Pretty shambolic stuff all round.
The first eleven was so tired that the second string wouldn't have played any worse. Now we got fatigue for WH as well
Could have said the same. Players needed a rest, Chelsea had an advantage and move on. Nobody would care if we got the top 4 spot and EL to look forward to
Could have said the same. Players needed a rest, Chelsea had an advantage and move on. Nobody would care if we got the top 4 spot and EL to look forward to
I dont know we didn't play Ighalo from the beginning.
Exactly what I said earlier! Ole got it wrong today.
Would have got beaten because too tired. It’s so obvious.
As for your ‘end of’, I couldn’t give a flying toss.
I honestly don't think a full second XI would have been any worse then this.
Yep! This was also my strong opinion before Arsenal win confusing me. But I’m not paid to make these decisions!
I love ole and stand behind him, but he has royally screwed this up and should do better given all the data and experience he has.
Romero would have done better than DDG!
Our second XI contains Romero so we wouldn't have conceded 3.
Oh so cos we may be tired is an excuse for just playing a second string and throwing the game? Jeez, like I said before, if fergie had that attitude in 99, there would be no treble. You have to go full throttle for every trophy. We aren't winning the title this year so why not go for what's available?
Why get as far as the semi finals and not go for it? It's insane. May as well have not bothered in the third round either then cos we may be tired by the semi finals!
Honestly?
You can’t legislate for two appalling errors and an own goal. We have been poor, but a second string team would have been completely battered (even more so than this).
100% agree.