3 realistic signings to improve us?

Discussion in 'Transfer Forum' started by Schmeichel's Cartwheel, Aug 14, 2019.

  1. Sep 11, 2019 at 18:26

    Sparky Rhiwabon Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2013
    Messages:
    10,087
    Yes, I find it weird that people can pick almost any three players in world football and some are choosing Longstaff as one of them!
  2. Sep 12, 2019 at 07:34

    Mylock New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2011
    Messages:
    337
    Agree 100 % with you on these 3 signings, potential WC players. The only worry I would have is they don't have the experience in the PL but they shouldn't have a problem adapting to the pace.
  3. Sep 12, 2019 at 09:22

    sparx99 Full Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2016
    Messages:
    339
    DM - Sandro Tonali, Florentino Luis or Declan Rice

    CM - Houssem Aouar, Nicolo Zaniolo, Fabian Ruiz

    RW - Federico Chiesa or Jadon Sancho

    I’d actually take Chiesa over Sancho as I think his crossing is better and we do lack decent delivery. I know Sancho has lots of assists but he seems more similar to Sterling or Rashford in that it’s based on pace and dribbling and low crosses as opposed to putting it on somebody’s head.

    If we were finishing things off then I’d want two more in as well.

    Striker - Krystof Piatek, Timo Werner, Andrea Bellotti or Paco Alcacer

    CAM - Kai Havertz, Dani Olmo, James Maddison.

    With three signings we could line up:

    De Gea

    AWB
    Lindelof
    Maguire
    Shaw

    Luis
    Aouar
    Pogba

    Chiesa
    Martial
    Rashford
  4. Sep 12, 2019 at 09:28

    romufc Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2019
    Messages:
    1,376
    Shows you the power of social media. People now do cannot even do their own research.
  5. Sep 12, 2019 at 09:59

    davidmichael Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2015
    Messages:
    1,387
    Now the transfer window is over and we know where we are in terms of who we got in and what we still need I think our three most pressing matters are a specialist defensive midfielder, a playmaking midfielder and a right sided attacker.

    It’s all good us picking three names out but we need to be realistic with it at the same time as the very best players aren’t going to be coming here soon as we’ve become a circus and the complete opposite to how we were under Sir Alex.

    I think realistically we could get Sancho but he’ll cost us at least £125 million seeing as he’s hit the ground running this season already and we’d have to offer him more in wages then anyone else does, I think he’s 100% our number one target just like Maguire was so it may end up drawn out but if we stick with it and offer him whatever he wants then I think he can be ours.

    The other two I’d go for is Eriksen as he’s Premier League proven, dictates tempo, clearly wants to move and is coming into his prime and Declan Rice who is a proper defensive midfielder, fits the profile of player we’re looking for, will only get better and much like Eriksen is proven in the league whilst also now being an England regular.

    A first choice 11 of De Gea/Henderson, Wan-Bisakka, Lindelof, Maguire, Shaw, Eriksen, Rice, Pogba, Sancho, Martial, Rashford is very balanced and a serious upgrade on where we were only last season. With the likes of Dalot, Laird, Tuanzebe, Williams, Garner, McTominay, Gomes, Chong and Greenwood having come/coming through as well we’d be on the right track again.
  6. Sep 12, 2019 at 10:07

    flappyjay Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2016
    Messages:
    2,369
    My wet dream is Partey, Havertz and Sancho. If Pogba leaves add milinkovic-savic to that list
  7. Sep 12, 2019 at 10:50

    Steamboat Willy New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2019
    Messages:
    9
    I would go for:

    - James Maddison - PL proven, creative, creator of chances.

    - Sancho/Chiesa - ‘cause we need to solve that RW for years to come, with pure Class.

    - Timo Werner, relatively Young. Proven goalscorer. Can play a possessien based strategy, and is fast enough to play counter attacking football.

    We also need to buy a DM, but if I could only buy 3
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 12, 2019 at 11:38
  8. Sep 12, 2019 at 11:46

    Ikon Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2017
    Messages:
    1,393
    I agree mostly with you, but Eriksen coming into his prime..?
    There are plenty of Spurs fans that will tell you that he has maybe passed his prime, they don't seem to be overly upset that his is leaving.
    As much as I rate Eriksen, I think we'd be better looking at a younger player for that role, such as Maddison.
  9. Sep 12, 2019 at 11:52

    romufc Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2019
    Messages:
    1,376
    So we have a very weak midfield but out of the 3 none of them play in mid.

    We don't need two forwards. We already have a young front line, I don't see a need for 2 more when we have major issues in Mid.
  10. Sep 12, 2019 at 13:22

    Bestietom Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2013
    Messages:
    4,127
    Location:
    Ireland
    2 midfielders = Rice/ Partey and Eriksen/ Maddison
    Forward =Moussa Dembele
  11. Sep 12, 2019 at 13:39

    Stubble New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2017
    Messages:
    285
    .
  12. Sep 12, 2019 at 13:42

    Stubble New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2017
    Messages:
    285
    Gomes ??
  13. Sep 12, 2019 at 13:43

    poleglass red Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2015
    Messages:
    1,614
    he's 27. Spurs fans getting salty cos they know he's leaving. His performances probably have dipped, but so have Spurs in general. There's also that feeling that when a player knows he's leaving and wanted to do so in the summer that maybe their head has been turned and their performances suffer. But to say he's finished or on a downward spiral is way off the mark. Either Eriksen or Maddison would be most welcome. Jan is a tough time to buy, ideally I'd want a creative mid like either of those mentioned, a solid DM and help up front. That's greedy in any window let alone Jan, I'd take a creative mid and a striker. Still tough but could be done.
  14. Sep 12, 2019 at 13:49

    Hawks2008 Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2015
    Messages:
    3,652
    Location:
    Melbz
    Marc Roca, Federico Chiesa, Wilfred Ndidi
  15. Sep 12, 2019 at 13:54

    sparx99 Full Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2016
    Messages:
    339
    Who is Marc Roca? I’ve not heard of him?
  16. Sep 12, 2019 at 14:05

    Hawks2008 Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2015
    Messages:
    3,652
    Location:
    Melbz
    Spanish midfielder from Espanyol. Only seen him play a 3-4 times last season so I'm no expert but looks like a solid young DLP. Great passing range, composed and press resistant. Still young so maybe one for the future but with a reported release clause of 40m euros I think he would be a solid addition if the aim is to build young team with lots of upside.
  17. Sep 12, 2019 at 16:44

    Chaky_Best Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2013
    Messages:
    2,242
    Location:
    Vegeta's Planet
    I saw a post here few months ago saying that we should do Leicester our b***** like Liverpool made Sotton theirs at the time.

    And I think this is particulary right, especially when we need players like Chilwell, Maddison or Ndidi.

    In a dream world, with CL and a good overall atmosphere around the club, my top targets would be :
    • Chilwell (60M)
    • Rice (80M)
    • Maddison (85M)
    • Sancho (150M)
  18. Sep 12, 2019 at 16:50

    Fer Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2014
    Messages:
    2,767
    I agree with Sancho, but is going to be difficult to sign him. IMO there are better alternatives than Rice and Chilwell.

    Do you rate Maddison higher than Havertz/Eriksen?
  19. Sep 12, 2019 at 16:57

    Chaky_Best Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2013
    Messages:
    2,242
    Location:
    Vegeta's Planet
    My fear with Eriksen is a bit like Sanchez. I see him less involved in games than two years ago... I don't say that he's finished like Sanchez but he's on the decline for two years now. Maddison is a top prospect. As for Havertz, would you say that even with our money, we could compete with Bayern or Pool to lure him ?
  20. Sep 12, 2019 at 22:28

    beingshe7don Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2016
    Messages:
    2,037
    Rashford is young no doubt but he's had 5 good years now in the first team and hasn't made strides in terms of improvement. Also, he's played under 3 managers (Van Gaal, Mourinho and Ole) and I thought he would improve immensely under a goal scorer like Ole but unfortunately that hasn't been the case. His decision making is questionable and probably you're right he needs more time but he's currently one of the two main strikers at United with all the responsibility and needs to deliver. I wouldn't use Salah as a comparison but instead Rooney who although never hit the heights of his true potential but was one of the deadliest strikers in Europe at the age of 18, so I wouldn't give Rashford the benefit of the doubt. I do like Fred but I'm not too sure if he's got what it takes to succeed at United. I mean he may have the technique and flair but not sure of his mindset.
  21. Sep 13, 2019 at 01:09

    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2007
    Messages:
    15,157
    Supports:
    Spurs
    How is it realistic to expect Eriksen step down into the Europa League when he's now playing in the CL?
  22. Sep 13, 2019 at 01:21

    Bastian Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2015
    Messages:
    7,963
    We might be looking to reign in the spending, as we've done since the Mourinho/LVG period, capping our outlay (net) around 60-70m per year, I guess 3 signings to improve us is pretty much out of the question.

    If the club would be ready to spend and it more being a question of players wanting to join then I guess both Neves and Chilwell from the OP are realistic options. Given how much Maguire cost and Wolves already having a strong financial base, I couldn't see either costing less than 60-70m.

    I think we need our scouts/recruitment team to identify players who are on the cusp of something special. We used to do that back in the day.

    Personally I'd go for Richarlison as a forward option. I'd also like to pillage Everton for Digne.
  23. Sep 13, 2019 at 01:30

    jamesjimmybyrondean New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2019
    Messages:
    71
    Based on our current formation our pressing needs are
    1. A destroyer DM
    2. A creative AM
    3. A right winger

    For the DM spot I'd pick Ndidi but seeing our current trend of getting English players I would be realistic and say Rice.

    For the AM position I wouldn't bother spending money on Maddison until I've seen Gomes play. They are both young and getting Maddison will most likely reduce Gomes game time especially seeing how good Gomes is. A bit unrealistic but I'm hoping Ed can perform some miracle and get Eriksen in January which seems more ideal as Gomes could still get a chance to take over from Eriksen in the future.

    For RW we go all out for Sancho and hopefully he wants to come to us

    So basically get Eriksen in January. Get Sancho and Rice next summer.

    --------------------------------De Gea?--------------------------

    AWB-------Lindelof-------------Maguire----------Shaw

    --------------------Rice-----------------Pogba? -----------------

    Sancho------------------Eriksen----------------Rashford

    ------------------------------Martial------------------------------
  24. Sep 13, 2019 at 06:09

    Fer Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2014
    Messages:
    2,767
    You may be right about Eriksen, also, it seems that he wants to play abroad.

    IMO Maddison could cost as much as Havertz, that's why I said the latter would be a better option. If we can compete for Sancho, we can compete for Havertz. It depends on Bayern signing Coutinho or using that money for Havertz. I found a bit difficult for Bayern to sign Havertz and someone like Sane.

    I would be happy with Maddison. I rather a player who wants to play for us (like James), than trying to convince a player (e.g. Dybala).
  25. Sep 13, 2019 at 07:54

    NJM78 Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2014
    Messages:
    5,067
    I'd rather James than Rashford 100%.
  26. Sep 13, 2019 at 15:20

    L1nk Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2017
    Messages:
    1,018
    Julian Weigl - DM
    Kai Havertz - CAM
    Federico Chiesa - RW

    Please
  27. Sep 13, 2019 at 15:22

    romufc Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2019
    Messages:
    1,376
    We need to stop fantasying about potential players.

    There is becoming such a big divide at this football club from.

    Fans expectation to clubs ability to deliver.
  28. Sep 13, 2019 at 15:37

    Johan07 Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2017
    Messages:
    1,564
    Thats a lazy argument. If Pogba could do just that, so could Eriksen. So its absolutely realistic.
    That said, he will end up abroad, but it has nothing to do with that fact.
    EDIT
    I should add that Di Maria went from winning the CL and being named the MoM in the final to doing the exact same thing that you deem to be unrealistic for Eriksen: transferring to a team that "just" qualified for the EL. Its hardly a new thing, especially not for United with the pull this club has. And the money of course.
    EDIT EDIT
    Well, I will have to continue to edit myself; we did not even play in the EL the season Di Maria joined. How about that?
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2019 at 15:54
  29. Sep 13, 2019 at 18:24

    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2007
    Messages:
    15,157
    Supports:
    Spurs
    Well, both Pogba and di Maria joined United before the club's decline had become as pronounced as it is now - when there was more of an expectation that losing out on top 4 (and thus CL qualification) was more of an exception and less of the 'rule' that it has more become since then.

    It's one thing for a player to believe that a single season outside of the CL is OK, but real doubts set in when they start to think that it could easily be more than just a single season. Eriksen will be 28.5 years old when next season kicks off, so I don't think he'd be willing to gamble on United for the remainder of his career.
  30. Sep 13, 2019 at 18:46

    Random Task Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2010
    Messages:
    14,965
    Location:
    Chester
    That's simply not true. They signed for United because we are/were one of the few clubs in Europe capable of meeting their salary demands, as was the case with Sanchez among others. Nothing has changed regards the clubs finances since then.

    United will always prove an attractive proposition with or without CL qualification. How do you think the likes of City, PSG and Chelsea attracted players when they first acquired their rich benefactors and were languishing mid-table or worse?
  31. Sep 13, 2019 at 18:57

    Vissy New Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2019
    Messages:
    99
    So these suggestions are going to be playing very safe. All English and all more or less guaranteed to be good players for us.

    Sancho. Is a solution to the RW for the next 10 years yadda yadda, and I believe he is very gettable for us.

    James Maddison. Gettable, knows he has the potential to make it at a bigger club than Leicester and hopefully not ludicrously pricey.

    Declan Rice. England international, seems to be first choice for the DM slot now that Henderson is given a bit more leeway to run about. Hopefully not ludicrously pricey in a year or two.
  32. Sep 13, 2019 at 19:00

    Nou_Camp99 Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2013
    Messages:
    1,171
    1. New owners
    2. A competent CEO who knows football
    3. A top class manager. Love Ole to bits but he's only here because of his playing days.
  33. Sep 14, 2019 at 11:11

    Halal Jalal New Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2019
    Messages:
    237
    Location:
    Birmingham
    Emre Can would be a smart purchase right now. Cheap (not registered for Juve's CL squad), still young-ish, PL proven, and better midfielder than anyone here besides PP.
  34. Sep 14, 2019 at 11:16

    davidmichael Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2015
    Messages:
    1,387
    I agree with you that I think we’d be better off getting Maddison as he’s younger, a United fan and hungry to be the best but with Eriksen being in the last year of his contract I can see Woodward wanting to go with Eriksen over Maddison as Maddison will cost similar to Maguire.

    In an ideal world I’d sign Sancho, Maddison and Rice as our 3 priority signings but I think you’re probably looking at around £250 million for those 3 players and as much as I want it to happen I just don’t see us having those funds based on our net spend over the past couple of years.

    Eriksen on a free with Rice and Sancho (which would probably still set us back around £175 million) coming in and then getting Jones, Rojo, Young, Mata and Sanchez (if possible) off the wage bill seems realistic to me and still improves us massively as Eriksen just as Maddison does walks into our team.
  35. Sep 14, 2019 at 11:23

    SoCross Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2014
    Messages:
    2,141
    Lozano - RW
    Donny VD Beek - CM
    Richarlison - ST
  36. Sep 14, 2019 at 21:49

    Fer Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2014
    Messages:
    2,767
    Lozano just signed for Napoli. Van de Beek is a good midfielder but we have McTominay, IMO a DM should be a priority. We need someone instead of Matic.

    Richarlison is an interesting option.
  37. Sep 14, 2019 at 22:02

    MyOnlySolskjaer Creator of Player Performance threads

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2014
    Messages:
    14,915
    Location:
    Player Performance Threads
    If we're persisting with playing with a #10 there's no way we can continue with Mata or Lingard.

    Should seriously look into Havertz or give Gomes some game time or play Pogba there. Current way cannot continue.
  38. Sep 15, 2019 at 05:09

    khoazany Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2012
    Messages:
    6,064
    Location:
    Singapore
    Maddison, Sancho and a number 8.

    How I'd imagine the blueprint of the team in couple of seasons.

    Martial/Greenwood/Rash
    Rash/James/Chong - Maddison/Gomes - Sancho/Greenwood/Chong
    Pogba/no 8 - Garner/McTominay
    Shaw/Williams/Laird - Maguire/CB (can be Jones, not a priority) - Lindelof/Tuanzebe - AWB/Laird/Williams
    De Gea/Hendo

    That's 22 players so there are room for couple of other squad fillers/youth players.

    If Laird/Williams can't make it then get Chilwell. Or maybe Pereira, Fred or Levitt can surprise us and we don't need another number 8. If Pogba goes we might need 2 number 8, or plays Gomes deeper and gets 1 more.

    I think Dalot will eventually leave because at his age he needs regular football to force his way into the national team etc.
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2019 at 05:15
  39. Sep 15, 2019 at 09:24

    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2007
    Messages:
    15,157
    Supports:
    Spurs
    They may have joined primarily for the money, but the fact remains that they also joined before the United's decline had become as pronounced/extended as it is now.

    Now you may believe that Eriksen will be similarly enticed by the money, but I believe that, if he doesn't sign a new contract with Spurs, it's far more likely he'll want CL football with one of the big continental clubs and won't be interested in risking ending up in the EL with United.
  40. Sep 15, 2019 at 09:42

    renatosanches85 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2016
    Messages:
    225
    Maddison
    Cantwell
    Milenkovic