Every game that isn't a Saturday 3pm kick off will be televised next season. It's a fine rule and is probably one of the biggest reasons for the success and popularity of the lower leagues in this country versus pretty much every other country in the world; removing it would be yet another nonsense rule amendment to benefit literally nobody other than the top 6-8 clubs.Any news on when this bell whiff of a rule will be discarded in the UK?
Yep, just Brentford at home iirc.I read somewhere that we only had one Saturday 3pm kick off last season?
That must be the fewest we've ever had?
Given Sky are broadcasting 215 games next season and in total across the PL there are only 380 games, a huge amount of games are not going to be played at the traditional 3pm on a Saturday. Regardless of whether you are in European competition or not, the sponsors and broadcasters know Utd still get the highest TV ratings so 90% of Utd's games will be played outside the 3pm K/O
Given Sky are broadcasting 215 games next season and in total across the PL there are only 380 games, a huge amount of games are not going to be played at the traditional 3pm on a Saturday. Regardless of whether you are in European competition or not, the sponsors and broadcasters know Utd still get the highest TV ratings so 90% of Utd's games will be played outside the 3pm K/O
TNT have an additional 52 games.Interesting. Is that just Sky, or split between Sky and other broadcasters? Haven't had Sky for a few years as last time I had it, half the games I wanted to watch were on another channel anyway.
That is a load of nonsense. Fans are tribal in nature, they support one club. If 100 Manchester United fans living in Dover cannot watch their game on TV, knowing UK football culture, it's a safe enough bet that 100 of them will either miss the match or watch it on a stream. They're not going to watch their local team. The UK football culture does not work like this. It's a Conservative joke of a rule that they left in place because everyone's too scared to change it. It's like when they used to sacrafice animals to make it rain, imagine if they still did that? It's nonsense. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.Every game that isn't a Saturday 3pm kick off will be televised next season. It's a fine rule and is probably one of the biggest reasons for the success and popularity of the lower leagues in this country versus pretty much every other country in the world; removing it would be yet another nonsense rule amendment to benefit literally nobody other than the top 6-8 clubs.
It's not nonsense at all, that is exactly how the "UK football culture" works. I know of plenty of people who watch a non-league team (or even just a lower FL team) and have a Premier League team they either regularly attend or watch on TV, including many of whom follow United home, away and over Europe. My local team averaged probably 1200 on a Saturday in the seventh tier last year, if other local-ish Premier League sides are at home the same day that average genuinely drops. You clearly are looking at it backwards anyway, the majority of people who watch lower league football do so before they attend the bigger clubs matches, their parents generally take them to smaller grounds before they can go to the bigger grounds, if you go to any non-league ground on a Saturday you'll see kids running round in United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Leeds (and whatever the local bigger clubs are) etc shirts. If you have grown up going to Old Trafford, you're unlikely to start going to watch your local non-league side later on (although to be fair I do know people who have done that that still go to watch FCUM, Salford etc), but the other way round happens all the time and the likelihood is that if United (or any other big club people support) are then playing outside of Saturday 3pm, you'll go and watch the local side if that's what you're used to doing. I don't really know how you can be so blind to what is around you to be honest.That is a load of nonsense. Fans are tribal in nature, they support one club. If 100 Manchester United fans living in Dover cannot watch their game on TV, knowing UK football culture, it's a safe enough bet that 100 of them will either miss the match or watch it on a stream. They're not going to watch their local team. The UK football culture does not work like this. It's a Conservative joke of a rule that they left in place because everyone's too scared to change it. It's like when they used to sacrafice animals to make it rain, imagine if they still did that? It's nonsense. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.
depends how season is going. Sunday games ruined less of the weekend last yearI’d hope so. I much prefer Saturday games to Sunday games.
depends how season is going. Sunday games ruined less of the weekend last year
You are looking at tiny numbers of no significance. Do you really think that if the 3pm blackout was abolished lower league clubs would suffer? Even a tiny amount? That is not the case, if it were it would mean that their critical clientele would be fans of other clubs (or of interest of other clubs).It's not nonsense at all, that is exactly how the "UK football culture" works. I know of plenty of people who watch a non-league team (or even just a lower FL team) and have a Premier League team they either regularly attend or watch on TV, including many of whom follow United home, away and over Europe. My local team averaged probably 1200 on a Saturday in the seventh tier last year, if other local-ish Premier League sides are at home the same day that average genuinely drops. You clearly are looking at it backwards anyway, the majority of people who watch lower league football do so before they attend the bigger clubs matches, their parents generally take them to smaller grounds before they can go to the bigger grounds, if you go to any non-league ground on a Saturday you'll see kids running round in United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Leeds (and whatever the local bigger clubs are) etc shirts. If you have grown up going to Old Trafford, you're unlikely to start going to watch your local non-league side later on (although to be fair I do know people who have done that that still go to watch FCUM, Salford etc), but the other way round happens all the time and the likelihood is that if United (or any other big club people support) are then playing outside of Saturday 3pm, you'll go and watch the local side if that's what you're used to doing. I don't really know how you can be so blind to what is around you to be honest.
Yes. It is pretty clear that they would suffer, I quite literally gave a real world example and if you don’t think those numbers of drop off would increase over 1, 2, 5, 10 years then you’re head is even further in the sand than it clearly already is.You are looking at tiny numbers of no significance. Do you really think that if the 3pm blackout was abolished lower league clubs would suffer? Even a tiny amount? That is not the case, if it were it would mean that their critical clientele would be fans of other clubs (or of interest of other clubs).
That is absolutely ridiculous.I read somewhere that we only had one Saturday 3pm kick off last season?
That must be the fewest we've ever had?
Well said.That is a load of nonsense. Fans are tribal in nature, they support one club. If 100 Manchester United fans living in Dover cannot watch their game on TV, knowing UK football culture, it's a safe enough bet that 100 of them will either miss the match or watch it on a stream. They're not going to watch their local team. The UK football culture does not work like this. It's a Conservative joke of a rule that they left in place because everyone's too scared to change it. It's like when they used to sacrafice animals to make it rain, imagine if they still did that? It's nonsense. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.
Exactly. That should be scrapped as well.Don't care about down south, just hate it applies to Scotland too.
If all it takes is something slightly better on TV/real world to stop someone watching their local team then perhaps their loyalty is paper thin. Perhaps other things should get in the way of them bothering to go to watch their local team. If this is your argument then it is beyond football. Maybe we ought to stop all broadcasting/events at these times. What if WWE Royal Rumble was on?Yes. It is pretty clear that they would suffer, I quite literally gave a real world example and if you don’t think those numbers of drop off would increase over 1, 2, 5, 10 years then you’re head is even further in the sand than it clearly already is.
To give further real world examples, I go to Old Trafford and stand with a group of 30 odd people. Of those 30 odd, I know at least 14 regularly watch lower league or non league sides. And the flip side, I’ve watched a non league side for 30 odd years and can probably count on my fingers the number of people who don’t have a “bigger team” they watch, either on TV or in person; of the 12 of us who stand together there is only one who doesn’t go and watch a bigger club.
Literally every game that isn’t at 3pm on a Saturday next year is televised. Surely that’s enough? It makes no real odds to me, I go to pretty well every United game home or away but the attendances in the lower leagues in this country are something to be proud of and the removal of that black out would very clearly over a longer period of time significantly impact that.
It's not about the hard core fans, it's about the floating fans.That is a load of nonsense. Fans are tribal in nature, they support one club. If 100 Manchester United fans living in Dover cannot watch their game on TV, knowing UK football culture, it's a safe enough bet that 100 of them will either miss the match or watch it on a stream. They're not going to watch their local team. The UK football culture does not work like this. It's a Conservative joke of a rule that they left in place because everyone's too scared to change it. It's like when they used to sacrafice animals to make it rain, imagine if they still did that? It's nonsense. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.
Jesus Christ. It is something that encourages to people to go to football live rather than consume it as a TV program. I really don’t understand how anyone can possibly try to spin that concept as a bad thing, particularly given the multiple real world examples I’ve given you but perhaps you really are that blinded or just that self-centred that you don’t understand the long term impact of what you’re suggesting.If all it takes is something slightly better on TV/real world to stop someone watching their local team then perhaps their loyalty is paper thin. Perhaps other things should get in the way of them bothering to go to watch their local team. If this is your argument then it is beyond football. Maybe we ought to stop all broadcasting/events at these times. What if WWE Royal Rumble was on?
And in the coming season, all those games will be televised. Congratulations.The 3pm blackout is archaic and a pain in the backside.
Felt like we had a lot Sunday games that weren't televised during the season just passed.
What?And in the coming season, all those games will be televised. Congratulations.
The Sunday games that weren’t televised last year will be next. Literally every game other than the Saturday 3pm’s will be televised.What?
Ah, thanks. How many Sunday games are we likely to have though? Surely less than last season?The Sunday games that weren’t televised last year will be next. Literally every game other than the Saturday 3pm’s will be televised.
You’d imagine so with us not being in Europe. But with there being what, 8/9 teams in Europe plenty of games will be moved and given we were the best watched team again last season despite being so poor you can bet your bottom dollar Sky will be pulling whatever tricks they can to get us into the televised slots most weeks.Ah, thanks. How many Sunday games are we likely to have though? Surely less than last season?
Do you have a link to the data that shows significant change in midweek attendance with televised European games compared to midweek attendance without televised European games?It's not about the hard core fans, it's about the floating fans.
There's a reason clubs see dips in attendances on midweeks when European games are on.
It's not the hard core fans, they'll go anyway. It's the casuals who'll go if there's not a better offer
