First of all, I would like to give a huge credit to club historian Tony aka @Mr. MUJAC for keeping the whole world updated about this as well as loads of other United academy related matters.
So the Sunday's match against Everton will be the club's 4000th consecutive match with at least one academy product in the matchday squad! It runs all the way back to 1937. And I think it's fitting to start the thread with Tony's interview from the official website.
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How did you uncover the statistic around the Fulham game in October 1937, which is when the run of homegrown players in the first-team squad began?
While we were writing the book, we kept uncovering statistics like, for example, in 1957, 10 players from the youth system played in a first-team game and the 11th, Colin Webster, came to us at 18 so isn’t officially credited as a youth player. I started looking back game-by-game through each season, and worked out that, hang on, we’ve had a youth player in every single game here. I went back as far as I could go and then realised that the game before Fulham, which was against Sheffield Wednesday, there wasn’t a player that hadn’t come through our youth system. Tom Manley and Jackie Wassell at the time were the two players who had first come through our youth system, so when they were missing from that line-up, I knew the run started with that Fulham game.
How did you get to the number which is approaching 4,000 games?
The hard bit was starting. Once that’s done, all you do is get your yearbooks out and count up the matches from that first game, then look at the line-ups plus subs, and make sure there was a youth-team player in it. There are a few interesting elements to it – for whatever reason, some United statistical records don’t include matches like the Screensport Super Cup (a tournament in which United played four games in the late 1980s). I’ve spoken to the FA on this, and that tournament was a Football League-affiliated competition. The other tournament is the Anglo-Italian Cup – that was a competition affiliated by the FA, the Football League and the Italian FA. I spoke to other teams involved, like Newcastle United, Swindon Town and others, and they all include those matches in their records. There was another tournament organised by the Football League called the Centenary Tournament which we took part in. Some people include those games and some don’t, but I’ve included them in the run as they are official senior games according to the FA.
The three-part criteria to define what constitutes a homegrown player – have to have signed before the age of 18, played at a junior level below the first team at United and not to have played for another team at senior level – provides a fair bit of clarity…
Yes, I think you just need to be fair and reasonable with the criteria and what’s important is being able to employ the same criteria across the 1950s, the ‘60s, the ‘70s and the ‘80s, and also the 2020s. If someone says that Paul Pogba isn’t a homegrown player because we signed him from France, I would say, well hang on a second, he’s just like George Best. He came at roughly the same age, he played for two years in the youth teams, so how is George Best or Bobby Charlton a youth player and this guy isn’t? All that’s happened is the breeding ground for these players has changed, and rather than playing local youth football, they’re playing in academies. So, if we keep the criteria simple but hard, and apply it consistently, then it’s fairly straightforward.
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So the Sunday's match against Everton will be the club's 4000th consecutive match with at least one academy product in the matchday squad! It runs all the way back to 1937. And I think it's fitting to start the thread with Tony's interview from the official website.
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How did you uncover the statistic around the Fulham game in October 1937, which is when the run of homegrown players in the first-team squad began?
While we were writing the book, we kept uncovering statistics like, for example, in 1957, 10 players from the youth system played in a first-team game and the 11th, Colin Webster, came to us at 18 so isn’t officially credited as a youth player. I started looking back game-by-game through each season, and worked out that, hang on, we’ve had a youth player in every single game here. I went back as far as I could go and then realised that the game before Fulham, which was against Sheffield Wednesday, there wasn’t a player that hadn’t come through our youth system. Tom Manley and Jackie Wassell at the time were the two players who had first come through our youth system, so when they were missing from that line-up, I knew the run started with that Fulham game.
How did you get to the number which is approaching 4,000 games?
The hard bit was starting. Once that’s done, all you do is get your yearbooks out and count up the matches from that first game, then look at the line-ups plus subs, and make sure there was a youth-team player in it. There are a few interesting elements to it – for whatever reason, some United statistical records don’t include matches like the Screensport Super Cup (a tournament in which United played four games in the late 1980s). I’ve spoken to the FA on this, and that tournament was a Football League-affiliated competition. The other tournament is the Anglo-Italian Cup – that was a competition affiliated by the FA, the Football League and the Italian FA. I spoke to other teams involved, like Newcastle United, Swindon Town and others, and they all include those matches in their records. There was another tournament organised by the Football League called the Centenary Tournament which we took part in. Some people include those games and some don’t, but I’ve included them in the run as they are official senior games according to the FA.
The three-part criteria to define what constitutes a homegrown player – have to have signed before the age of 18, played at a junior level below the first team at United and not to have played for another team at senior level – provides a fair bit of clarity…
Yes, I think you just need to be fair and reasonable with the criteria and what’s important is being able to employ the same criteria across the 1950s, the ‘60s, the ‘70s and the ‘80s, and also the 2020s. If someone says that Paul Pogba isn’t a homegrown player because we signed him from France, I would say, well hang on a second, he’s just like George Best. He came at roughly the same age, he played for two years in the youth teams, so how is George Best or Bobby Charlton a youth player and this guy isn’t? All that’s happened is the breeding ground for these players has changed, and rather than playing local youth football, they’re playing in academies. So, if we keep the criteria simple but hard, and apply it consistently, then it’s fairly straightforward.
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United website is filled with articles and interviews related to this unbelievable record, I'll add more...
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