A new role: the substitution coach

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I just read an article on BBC about AFC Wimbledon having hired a substitution coach (on a voluntary trial basis for now). It's an interesting concept. You can find the full article here, but this is the key bit that explains it:
West Ham's Mark Noble was still wearing his bib when manager David Moyes asked him to take a spot-kick against Manchester United last month before David de Gea saved it. And in the Euro 2020 final, a debate erupted around England boss Gareth Southgate introducing Marcus Rashford and Jadon Sancho with only minutes remaining in extra time, with both players missing from 12 yards against eventual winners Italy.

Were the players adequately prepared to take such a big part in either match? In the case of Rashford and Sancho, AFC Wimbledon's substitution coach Sammy Lander thinks not. As part of his pitch to Wimbledon boss Mark Robinson, he analysed what players were doing prior to their introduction to England's biggest game for 55 years.

"I highlighted little bits of the final when Sancho and Rashford came off the bench, and they weren't warming up down the touchline, they were just walking," Lander tells BBC Sport. "I think they were out warming up for about 11 minutes. For about seven of those they were stood still, for about two minutes they were doing groin stretches and then for about one minute they were sort of just sat watching. So my immediate thought was that they're not physically ready to come on into a game of football, not only to match the intensity, but to try and raise it."

That is where Lander believes he can add value to a sport which already employs restart coaches and throw-in coaches: by getting players, technically, physically and mentally ready to enter the field of play and enhance the team. In short, to turn them into 'finishers'.
And a concrete example of what could have been done at the Euro 2020 final:
Lander suggests that they could have practiced stroking penalties in Wembley's warm-up room to get the players' muscle memory in place, and ensure they were not over-thinking what was to come. "It's like if you haven't driven for a week and that first change of gear isn't as smooth as if you'd been driving for 100 miles," Lander says. "It's the same for football. When you make 100 passes the 101st is just instinct, but when you make that first pass I think you're really thinking about it."
I wonder how effective this is. But as the article points out, a lot of major issues have been figured out in football, and at the top, people are looking how to increase the fine margins where improvement is still possible. And those clubs have plenty of money for additional staff to address those aspects of the game. This substitution coach idea does sound very reasonable, so I can totally imagine big clubs starting to do something like this as well - although I imagine it could also be a fitness coach taking on an additional duties during matches. It might require some extra skills though, since the mental aspect is important for a substitute as well. Here is a United-related quote about that:
"I saw a great picture of Manchester United's bench the other week and there were six or seven players all slumped over, arms folded, and hoods up," says Lander. "One of those guys could be your match-winner, potentially, and look at their body language."
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Given how much money is at stake such a coach would probably cost pocket change and if it gives you any kind of advantage, why not? It's easy to imagine that some micro management before a sub might unlock a few percent, even if it's only for a few minutes.
 

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'Cold players come on and can't do what they're brought on to do because they had an ineffective warm-up' doesn't seem like some great never before realized insight to me.

Having a specialized coach to get them to complete their warm-up seems like something one of the other existing coaches can do, as well.
 

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I imagine it could also be a fitness coach taking on an additional duty during matches.
I think with what you've mentioned there, is probably quite pertinent in that some clubs will already have someone who'll cover roughly what this role would entail, just not as the sole responsibility which is what you nailed. It mentions the role of a restart coach, and some of the media over here got excited when this was introduced, it was actually a fairly common practise and was something that most clubs would entail, it would just be someone who had other responsibilities. Papers here referred to the introduction of the Liverpool restart coach as a pioneer, but it was something that had always taken place in the lower leagues for example, only without the resources to allocate the job as a single responsibility, so as you mentioned the fitness coach potentially taken on additional roles in this scenario, that's exactly what happened where the money is tighter. This has little to do with this topic I just wanted to whine about how a big club could employ a second tea lady and it would be called innovative over here

As for the topic at hand, I think it makes sense. I think while they mention "by getting players, technically, physically and mentally ready to enter the field of play and enhance the team" is important, one of the most fundamental things is ensuring they're tactically prepared. I don't care too much about body language, but it's important that they're not only tactically aware of how to approach the game, but also about how the other team are playing. When you're put on with a specific goal (scoring or not conceding) it's very useful to have any gaps, system weaknesses or specific danger routes etc that have be exploited or nullified, some players are brilliant at working these things out while watching the game, others not so much. They of course will be given this information by coaches, but having someone specifically their to watch the game in preparation for bringing a player on with a certain amount of time to influence the game in some manner is useful, and they can have more of a specific view rather than the manager are headcoaches who'll have to be more holistic. For a specialised substitution coach I'd prefer more on the side of tactical analysis and intervention rather than simpler stuff like intensity of warm up and body languague (though I fully accept they play a role).
 

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Given the vast sums of cash at stake it does make sense to employ specialty coaches to manage such things as ensuring the subs coming are in fact properly fit the moment they come on.

We know about Carrick and McKenna, but in total how many people do United have on staff who are properly considered coaches? Not medical staff, but truly coaching staff. To state the obvious, we look a very poorly coached squad.
 

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How much is a point worth in football? If the difference is relelgation or not, europe or not, top 4 or not, its probably worth a feck tonne more than you pay a coach per year. If you have a specialist in any area and they earn you, say, 2 to 3 points a season, then go for it.
 

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Quotes in the OP don’t reflect well on Rashford and Sancho. These are highly paid professional athletes. Do clubs really need to hire someone to make sure they’re a bit more… well… professional?

Seems to be a real football thing too. This needing to he constantly babysat. There are athletes who play amateur sports who seem more capable of making sure they get all these minor details correct.
 

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I know quite a few Wimbledon fans and they all love Mark Robinson, who appears to be an outstanding man manager. Watched some interviews with him too, and he comes across really well, and he's worked his way throughout their whole setup. They are definitely a progressive club compared to their size (which is kind of false, given their significant fanbase).

Regarding this particular subject though, I think there's also a case of too much delegation to make up for flaws that shouldn't be there in the first place. If it's a one-off thing to cover the margins, sure (like that Liverpool thing) but if you have a manager who knows what he is doing and has a coaching staff that can carry out his instructions, you won't need to break up every little detail to such an extent.

Obviously Pep is the archetypal example, someone who obsesses over details himself and wouldn't need four or five different specialists as he's got a coherent vision already.
 

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Quotes in the OP don’t reflect well on Rashford and Sancho. These are highly paid professional athletes. Do clubs really need to hire someone to make sure they’re a bit more… well… professional?

Seems to be a real football thing too. This needing to he constantly babysat. There are athletes who play amateur sports who seem more capable of making sure they get all these minor details correct.
Agreed. Rashford in particular should have ruled himself out of the Euros in the first place on account of needing surgery. I’m not sure any amount of touch line warming up would have made that much of a difference. Southgate should have brought him much earlier to let Rashford’s blood rise to the moment, maybe even give us a chance to win the match without going to PKs. Same for Sancho, whom Southgate also mismanaged.
 

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I know quite a few Wimbledon fans and they all love Mark Robinson, who appears to be an outstanding man manager. Watched some interviews with him too, and he comes across really well, and he's worked his way throughout their whole setup. They are definitely a progressive club compared to their size (which is kind of false, given their significant fanbase).

Regarding this particular subject though, I think there's also a case of too much delegation to make up for flaws that shouldn't be there in the first place. If it's a one-off thing to cover the margins, sure (like that Liverpool thing) but if you have a manager who knows what he is doing and has a coaching staff that can carry out his instructions, you won't need to break up every little detail to such an extent.

Obviously Pep is the archetypal example, someone who obsesses over details himself and wouldn't need four or five different specialists as he's got a coherent vision already.
The counter argument to that is Klopp and his specialist coach for throw-ins. Obviously there’s a limit to how much of this stuff you delegate but I find that sort of awareness of his limitations as a coach quite impressive.
 

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Given how much money is at stake such a coach would probably cost pocket change and if it gives you any kind of advantage, why not? It's easy to imagine that some micro management before a sub might unlock a few percent, even if it's only for a few minutes.
I think it's about those first few minutes especialy. If a player has had a poor preparation prior to being subbed in, their first couple of minutes on the pitch will take that role - meaning that, as you say, you're missing some percentage of their full potential performance for the duration of that period (they're basically doing an in-match warm-up). Especially with late-match impact subs, that would be a great waste of intention opportunity.
'Cold players come on and can't do what they're brought on to do because they had an ineffective warm-up' doesn't seem like some great never before realized insight to me.

Having a specialized coach to get them to complete their warm-up seems like something one of the other existing coaches can do, as well.
Yeah, it does sound obvious; but then if you read the quotes, it does seem players need more support to ensure their warm-up is adequate physically and mentally. So it looks to me like there really is a (surprising) gap.

I also mentioned that a fitness coach could probably do a lot of this, but the mental side is also important, there might be some specifically relevant aspects of the game (like penalty kicks), and...
As for the topic at hand, I think it makes sense. I think while they mention "by getting players, technically, physically and mentally ready to enter the field of play and enhance the team" is important, one of the most fundamental things is ensuring they're tactically prepared. I don't care too much about body language, but it's important that they're not only tactically aware of how to approach the game, but also about how the other team are playing. When you're put on with a specific goal (scoring or not conceding) it's very useful to have any gaps, system weaknesses or specific danger routes etc that have be exploited or nullified, some players are brilliant at working these things out while watching the game, others not so much. They of course will be given this information by coaches, but having someone specifically their to watch the game in preparation for bringing a player on with a certain amount of time to influence the game in some manner is useful, and they can have more of a specific view rather than the manager are headcoaches who'll have to be more holistic. For a specialised substitution coach I'd prefer more on the side of tactical analysis and intervention rather than simpler stuff like intensity of warm up and body languague (though I fully accept they play a role).
...this point about tactics is important as well. Clubs have specialists for each one of those aspects already, so maybe you'd need someone who knows these things in general and can bring that all together in the moment (with input fromt he specialists and manager) and then get that across to the sub to tailor his preparations accordingly. An assistant coach maybe? Those are at the match but I imagine would be able to get off the bench and work with subs on this stuff.
Given the vast sums of cash at stake it does make sense to employ specialty coaches to manage such things as ensuring the subs coming are in fact properly fit the moment they come on.

We know about Carrick and McKenna, but in total how many people do United have on staff who are properly considered coaches? Not medical staff, but truly coaching staff. To state the obvious, we look a very poorly coached squad.
And maybe that's something where this kind of people could help out. (Although I really do not want to make this about United's coaching setup specifically. That stuff is all over the forum already. Let's keep this discussion more high-level here.)
Quotes in the OP don’t reflect well on Rashford and Sancho. These are highly paid professional athletes. Do clubs really need to hire someone to make sure they’re a bit more… well… professional?

Seems to be a real football thing too. This needing to he constantly babysat. There are athletes who play amateur sports who seem more capable of making sure they get all these minor details correct.
I debated whether I should include those, since I don't want to make this United-specific. In any case, what I'm thinking is that this is probably pretty common for players - also because it is natural to want to watch the match, especially something like the final of the Euros. But it will be hard to both see what's happening on the field and do a focused warm-up at the proper level of intensity.
 

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Genius. I am sure lots of people thought at that time that Rashford and Sancho were not ready to come in as subs. But to use that into inventing a new role/job for oneself and possibly for many people in future, that's genius.
 

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The counter argument to that is Klopp and his specialist coach for throw-ins. Obviously there’s a limit to how much of this stuff you delegate but I find that sort of awareness of his limitations as a coach quite impressive.
Yeah, I did mention that as the caveat. It's a one-off. But when it comes to United, if we persist with Ole you could write up an endless list of specialists to fix the multitude of problematic areas. If we're looking for someone to take over (now or in summer) it obviously depends on their style and what drawbacks there are. But yes, self reflection is an enormously important trait to succeed and it is the one I said on here I think Ole doesn't have.
 

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I don't think it's about admitting that you lack the skill to do something. It's just acknowledging the reality that you can't do everything at once. I'm sure that for example Klopp could do the job of his set piece coach, but he probably has more important things to do with his time than analyze set pieces of his own team and other teams across the world. So he delegates.
It's the same with this sort of thing: you don't hire a substitution coach, because you lack a skill, you'd hire them, because as a head coach you have to have your eyes on the pitch to analyze the game that's in front of you, rather than focus on micro managing your substitutes.
 

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I don't think it's about admitting that you lack the skill to do something. It's just acknowledging the reality that you can't do everything at once. I'm sure that for example Klopp could do the job of his set piece coach, but he probably has more important things to do with his time than analyze set pieces of his own team and other teams across the world. So he delegates.
It's the same with this sort of thing: you don't hire a substitution coach, because you lack a skill, you'd hire them, because as a head coach you have to have your eyes on the pitch to analyze the game that's in front of you, rather than focus on micro managing your substitutes.
Yeah exactly. But probably someone in the entire coaching/training staff has close to the required skills and isn't on the bench during matches, so that person could maybe be skilled up to take it on.
 

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Good idea really. But would every club need a 'warmup room' then? Most clubs probably don't have room or space for it or it could be situated somewhere near the sidelines? Would it need to be built?

Probably thinking too deep but yeah.
 

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Good idea really. But would every club need a 'warmup room' then? Most clubs probably don't have room or space for it or it could be situated somewhere near the sidelines? Would it need to be built?

Probably thinking too deep but yeah.
I don't suppose you always need that kind of warm-up. It's appropriate if you're only bringing a player on to take a penalty kick, but not as useful in most other situations, I suppose.
 

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I’ve read the article and whilst there are good points raised, I really think it’s just one random guy trying to make a career for himself.

There is no need for a substitution coach. It’s not a skill, the concept is utterly ridiculous. The comparison to a set piece coach or a long throw coach is just way off the mark. These coach’s develop skills. If the bench doesn’t want to join the game I fail to see how a single man or woman can do anything different to that of a good manager
 

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take the set piece coach and try him at this role, should see the same level of effectiveness.
 

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Don't really see why this couldn't just be a role that one or the other coaches picks up as part of his duties. There's multitudes of coaches pitchside on matchday, who basically do feck all except watch the game. Only 1 or 2 seem to have Oles ear during the match...
 

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Good idea really. But would every club need a 'warmup room' then? Most clubs probably don't have room or space for it or it could be situated somewhere near the sidelines? Would it need to be built?

Probably thinking too deep but yeah.
Not really a radical new idea in sport. Baseball has bullpens and batting cages for relievers and pinch-hitters. I'm sure they could build facilities to make that possible.
 

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'Cold players come on and can't do what they're brought on to do because they had an ineffective warm-up' doesn't seem like some great never before realized insight to me.

Having a specialized coach to get them to complete their warm-up seems like something one of the other existing coaches can do, as well.

Isn't this why some teams had exercise bikes on the sidelines? I think it was Fulham maybe, to keep the players legs warmed up during the game, so they weren't warming up from sitting down after an hour. I think they do this in the NFL as well, but it's been a while since I watched it.

Or if they are tight for space. They could have those football games you used to see at the arcades, throw in 50p an play away until your needed.