Do you even look at the context of the season? Or just believe in utopian world where United are in a title challenge season after season.
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
you lose a Champions League final. You become so demoralized that you carry it for months , to the following season. You then can't pick up/remotivate your team. Huge red flags. Plus his system is better suited for "younger" team. That Spurs team ran out of gas as they have aged. Of course if Ole struggles, I will look at Poch only because of his premier league experience. Not because he is some kind of "genius"
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These fans deserve Woodward and the Glazers. Imagine turning on Ole and pretending it's all the manager's fault yet again. They will never learn.
I can't be bothered to do it as it will probably get completely ignored anyway (not necessarily by you), but if you look it up Poch spent most chances since the Utd job opened up making himself somewhat 'sackable' or 'untenable', Redknapp style. A lot of stuff was said that would easily be dismissed as 'normal', but he sewed the seeds early on (e.g. https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/pochettino-cant-promise-hell-be-tottenham-next-season) and ended nearer the CL Final suggesting he would quit, and if he won the CL final he couldn't do any more for Spurs, then there was the weird secret 'promise' he made to the team that he would do if they won the CL Final. Allegedly he changed after that final and sulked in Barcelona for a long time, then sulked when he came back etc. There was a general feeling that he wanted to be sacked, possibly in the belief that he'd get snapped up by someone else, I don't know. Either way, his powers of motivation had well and truly run dry.
It's weird really, because lots of players come to spurs, make a name, leave for better pastures and go on to be very successful... but i can't think of a single manager who has done so tbh (unless you count the short stint Ramos had at RM).
Saying that for banter sake is one thing. Genuinely believing in this is bollocks. Similar stuff was said about Pool and City.
Hm. I'll give it a C+ - borderline B- territory. Not terrible.
It's pretty clear to all but the wilfully blind that Pochettino as a manager is a level above Ole.
You can tell me different when/if Ole, with a far larger budget than Pochettino ever had (both for wages and transfer fees), takes United to a CL final and into the top 4 in four successive seasons.
You can tell me different when/if Ole, with a far larger budget than Pochettino ever had (both for wages and transfer fees), takes United to a CL final and into the top 4 in four successive seasons.
What happens to Poch and his Spurs team in latter seasons?
Seems too conservative and more defensive. Boring football.. even his players lost motivations.. eventually. Although maybe this helps them the most in reaching final(s).
I don't always watch them play. So I'm not too sure.
But definitely they are more dangerous before when they are in my eyes - play football in a more more attacking, and more risky approach. The physical high press with the annoying tactical fouls and quick direct attacks when the whistle first blow are two marks of that.
Seems too conservative and more defensive. Boring football.. even his players lost motivations.. eventually. Although maybe this helps them the most in reaching final(s).
I don't always watch them play. So I'm not too sure.
But definitely they are more dangerous before when they are in my eyes - play football in a more more attacking, and more risky approach. The physical high press with the annoying tactical fouls and quick direct attacks when the whistle first blow are two marks of that.
Totally agree with you, there’s always gunna be people who are wanting Solskjær out, but our problem starts way above him, the board need to back him otherwise we will be left miles behind.
Pochettino have spent around 300m. Solskjaer have spent around 230m. Pochettino came to a team full with internationals with a positive spin and good players. Solskjaer came to a team full of internationals wich was broken and in negative trend. I first full season Solskjaer came 3rd while Pochettino came 5th.
We should take it easy putting Pochettino on high horse. Not saying he is bad (he is good manager) but there has to be some kind of balance. 0 trophies as a manager.
That's the point Poch has shown nothing to be better than Ole who's on the job now and only in his second.
None of the 5 years he spent at Tottenham I envied.
Spurs sacked him because he wasn't winning trophies. If he's not good enough for a club that never wins anything how the hell is he going to handle the pressure cooker that is United manager?
He's not the answer for us. Don't want any new managers anyway until Woodward is gone.
First, it's net spend that counts, not just outgoing spend. Second, the £300m figure you quote, assuming it's accurate was spread over all the years involved, not just the much shorter period of Ole's reign in which he has spent only £70m less. Third, as I've already said, let me know when Ole takes United to a CL final and four successive top 4 finishes.
And with achiving that, he won what? Are we now praising managers coming 4th? Does that automatic mean greatness? Desptie 0 trophies. In his whole managment career?
It was better when you were in India.
Are some Spurs or Poch supporters ignoring the early exits from the champions league and Europa league that happened under Poch watch before reaching that 2019 CL final?
It's also worth nothing that Spurs finished 6th with 69 points, 5th 72 points and 4th with 69 points in the three seasons before Poch arrived.
It's also worth nothing that Spurs finished 6th with 69 points, 5th 72 points and 4th with 69 points in the three seasons before Poch arrived.
I still find it funny that some people support managers
.It wasnt a great squad at all. 3-4 good players and an emerging Harry Kane.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013–14_Tottenham_Hotspur_F.C._season
Poche is so overated it's untrue.
Are you serious? Let us break it down (Not taking every player):
Lloris, Gomes, Friedel,
Walker, Rose, Verthongen, Kaboul, Dawson, Naughton, Chiriches
Lennon, Paulinho, Lamella, Capoue, Sigurdson, Chadlii, Eriksen, Townsend, Dembele, Sandro, Bentaleb
Adebayor, Soldado, Kane
Some young english players emerging with Pochettinho helping them. But look at the rest. Team I would say is full of internationals and really good players. Pretty much everyone played for their national team. Pochettino didn't came to some random team. He then started buying and selling players so they could play in his system. But as I said, he came to a very good team.
I think its a combination of things, he did do well for us no doubt but he certainly should have won us something LC or FA Cup. He is very charismatic and does have a draw to him. He has negatives to him also but overall hes a good manager, I think he would do well at United but it will not be a quick fix.
That was a shit show of a squad
. Trust me I watched them.I think you are little bit unfair to your team that year. I actually thought you were nice to watch. What I missed is the balance in the team and you missed someone who could score. Selling Dafoe was bad move and with Bale leaving (having his best season ever) you were without two of your best goalscorers.That was a shit show of a squad
Meanwhile we have guy who was coach in Norway and then came in PL and relegated his club. And then in championship he left them on 17th place. If he had time i am sure that he would relegate them again.
Outrageous
My point is that - based on track records so far + and experience - he is clearly a level above Ole.
PS. His highest finish with Spurs was 2nd, not 4th, sandwiched by two 3rd place finishes.
He only joined Cardiff in January of the year they went down. They were already doomed.
Also if he's that bad how on earth did he finish above likes of Jose, Lampard, Rodgers and co? Ole has done a good job so far. Its not his fault we've got fans like you who think he should already be finishing above City n Liverpool. It's clear as day that was never going to happen
Doesn't know the club
So, we will just invent things from now?
So i am at fault because our team is not trained well, prepared well and is dominated by most of teams? Excuses are better and better.
Dominated by most teams? Last season we only lost 1 league game against any of the top 6. It came against Liverpool at Anfield. We didn't lose a single other one.
Maybe just maybe you're having a paddy after one bleeding game of a season. Some fan eh?
I think you are confusing the Harry Era with AVB, AVB was shite sprinkled with Bale, then Bale let and only the shite was left. After AVB was Sherwood...... fecking Sherwood.
A few Man United supporters on here are bigger supporters for Poch than the club they are meant to be supporting.I still find it funny that some people support managers
So true. The longer he’s out of a job, the more god like he becomes!
Name one. Name one poster who supports Poch more than a club. And can that be used other way around then? That there are fans who support Ole more than United?
And how the hell that works anyway? You support club where that manager works?
you’ll be wanting to sack him after 2 seasons like every other manager since Fergie. Cycle needs to end. Give Ole more time.
Its not worth explaing again and again. Every excuse is made for his failures by his fans. His ok achievements are treated like miracles
What pressure cooker? We got fans writing off PL games as irrelevant and calling everything "rebuilding". And a board that's happy with just top 4.
The standards aren't as high as you think they are.
He had every thing needed to win trophies with you. He failed. The popular excuse was 'he had better priorites'. In my book he just wasn't ambitious enough. Which eventually caught up with him at Spurs.
His record vs the top 6 away for years was very poor. It was roundly excused by those who rate him. The way he is talked about one would think he is at the level of a Klopp. He really isnt.
At one point it was even claimed he was 'regularly competing for the title". Yet on truth the only time he had a genuine chance of lifting it he bottled it and Ranieri beat him to it. I honestly do not see why people imagine "he is so far above Ole". Ole's cardiff stint makes so many over disrespect his ability as a coach and manager.