I think that’s a fair point but at the end of the day you want a winning manager. The fact that Tottenham gave Leicester a free run to the title doesn’t reflect well on him but equally he unquestionably took Spurs up a level in the most competitive of leagues.
We may but after consecutive conservative/counter attacking managers in Jose and Ole, if we move on, I want it to be to an attacking manager. I never wanted to particularly watch Tottenham games under Poch like for example I want to watch Leeds or RBL or Pep teams.
Both players leaving next summer is just impossible.
They`ll both have a year left on their deals next summer. If both refuse to renew(which is a genuine possibility) both could leave
I agree with you.
I feel judging Poch on Spurs' title collapse in 2016 is very harsh considering he was never expected to challenge at the start of that season. It feels like he is judged on this in hindsight given how good Spurs were in the three years following; it's easily forgotten how young and inexperienced that Spurs side were.
What’s the motivation for them to stay? The domestic titles mean nothing to the players or anyone outside of France. They won’t win a Ballon d’or playing for PSG.
I have been reading your posts for years and you always write the same things
The same applies to me to be honestI mean, I wouldn't keep writing the same things about PSG and their players if they didn't keep proving me right.I have been reading your posts for years and you always write the same things
I would be surprised to see both players gone in 2021 but can be wrong for sure.
Spurs had an excellent starting XI (seems weird to say that about a midfield containing Dele, Eriksen and Dier in 2020 but there you go) but their squad depth was pitiful. Their 1-0 loss to West Ham that would have put them level with Leicester saw them start with Chadli, Kevin Wimmer and Ryan Mason. They massively overachieved and it's only the freak Leicester title win that makes it look like a failure.
Easier league, high salary, great city, life quality? Why these pampered superstars should be bothered at all?
Spot on.
The players you mentioned that left for free were either not good enough or too old. Mbappe is a next generation super star and Neymar is world class player in his prime losing such players for free is ten times worse than the ones you mentioned
Must just be a strange coincidence that the teams who spend the most on fees and wages are generally always at the top then.
Generally speaking, of course the teams with the most resources tend to have the bettet players and tend to win more
Agreed, Poch was probably best suited but there are others, depends on how long Ole lasts and who’s available at the time.
What you write makes sense.
The ill disciplined capitulation at Chelsea has to be in part down to Poch, not totally to blame but I don’t believe that happens under a manager used to winning and dealing with high pressure situations. Stay calm and calculated in that game and Spurs have a great chance. If Spurs were ‘inexperienced’ then bigger fool him for not surrounding himself with more experienced players who can see the job through.
Not at all. The 'net spend' that window was roughly 60m, and the overall calculation didn't even include the loan fees or future fee for Lo Celso. As I say, the 'zero net spend' thing is complete fiction and can be proved as such with a minimal amount of research.
3rd for now, and can be 2nd tomorrow no matter what?
I thought Mbappe wanted to play CF? Not sure if United can offer him that. RW is our priority.What you write makes sense.
Neymar will be 28 next February and due to covid 19, there isn't a lot of clubs ready to meet his demands and a pay a fee likely to be superior to 100m. Mbappe is 22 since one week and I don't believe he will renew.
I would like Kylian to join MUFC but believe Real Madrid will capture him.
Let's see
I prefer him as a kind of support striker / forward:
Again, that's very harsh considering no one would have been expecting him to challenge for the title that season. He was building a team for the future, so of course they weren't ready; Poch himself was very new to the job. I don't really understand using that capitulation as a stick to beat him with when it was something he sorted out in subsequent years.
Did he sort it out? How, when? Poch's career is a story of punching above his weight but never actually delivering on the ultimate prizes.
I would agree with you, but I think it's hard to argue he didn't improve his team's maturity over the course of his time there.
I agree, it's unfair that most people only rate the winners. I think there are plenty of great accomplishments that do not end up with a trophy. And he did better than people expected with Spurs but couldn't add a trophy to take the team to another level, have them believe they can actually be a force.
That is true, it is hard to argue that things fell apart for him in the last 12 months, the CL run notwithstanding. To me it seemed like the team burnt out due to the intensity fo his methods, actually quite similar to the way Klopp's Dortmund had a massive dip towards the end of his tenure and almost got relegated. I think it will be something to watch with interest in Poch's next job (at this stage likely with PSG), to see if he learns the way Klopp did and moderates his methods so his team doesn't get so burnt out. I think one of the most important modern qualities in a coach is being able to adapt, so I'm really curious to see if he does.
I doubt he will get PSG to play with the same intensity as he did with Spurs. But let's see. If he gets the job he will add trophies to his resume, surely. Then if he manages to win the CL with them, his stock will jump through the roof.
Well, no... all the fuss is only about his supposed suitability for tier-1 clubs, the ones that start any given season really expecting to win trophies (the league, domestic cups, a deep run in the european cups). An argument might be made about United not being tier-1 anymore since Ferguson retired, but Mourinho proved a top coach can always get a trophy or two out of a good squad and, more importantly, imho United now has a tier-1 squad again for quality and depth, that making Poch even more unsuitable to their managerial role right now, in case Solskjaer fails.
I don’t think you have a realistic understanding of United fans and pundits. Instead of ‘we SHOULD get Poch’, it will now be ‘we should HAVE gone for Poch’.
City spent on FBs because they still had Sagna and Clichy but so what? They were better everywhere else. Who in Spurs team would replace City players then? Chelsea went wrong when they dissed Costa and replaced him with Morata. Near enough every season Costa played he won a title here and in Spain.
They weren't nearly better everywhere else and they certainly didn't play that way that season. Quite literally Spurs entire back 4 and GK was better than City's by a significant margin in that season. Kane was also better than Aguero, so that's 6 positions right there where Spurs had superior talent.
Who cares? They played to that ability in that season which is what matters. That team absolutely was every bit good enough to win the title that year and they didn't. The fact that those players have regressed since doesn't change what they were in THAT season which is the original argument, not whether or not what they produced was sustainable beyond that point in time.
I had and did hear it that season, and for good reason. That Spurs XI was excellent and by every metric they were absolute contenders that season who fell short.
It does matter. Its like Leicester won the league on 82 pts with all their players playing above themselves and at 130%. If thats not their normal standard them how the hell can you expect them to get 94-95 points. Thats basically Spurs. That group of players were never capable of reaching 94-95 pts in a million years. Players rose above their normal level got them 2nd or the 86 pts so everything else is out of reach. You can see where many of the players are at today to get an idea of how good they really are/were. They just rose their game that year like Leicester did. still never a 95 point team.
