Abortion

calodo2003

Flaming Full Member
Joined
Feb 8, 2014
Messages
41,799
Location
Florida
Last edited:

Ekkie Thump

Full Member
Joined
Mar 9, 2013
Messages
3,892
Supports
Leeds United

So, and let me get this right, if these amendments should pass then a ten year old victim of incestuous rape would be forced to carry the dead foetus of her rapist to term.
 

André Dominguez

Full Member
Joined
Aug 7, 2017
Messages
6,374
Location
Lisbon
Supports
Benfica, Académica
calodo2003 said:
No sane Republican presidential candidate would advocate such harsh positions.
Click to expand...
I think it's going to be tough for Republicans next elections, because if they don't support Trump, he will run as an independent candidate and steal a lot of votes.
 

Mike Smalling

Full Member
Joined
Jan 27, 2018
Messages
10,976
André Dominguez said:
I think it's going to be tough for Republicans next elections, because if they don't support Trump, he will run as an independent candidate and steal a lot of votes.
Click to expand...
That would be a dream scenario for Democrats. It’s a real dilemma for the Republicans. Best case for them would be to convince Trump to withdraw and support DeSantis. But if both of them decide to go for the nomination, it could get ugly.
 

André Dominguez

Full Member
Joined
Aug 7, 2017
Messages
6,374
Location
Lisbon
Supports
Benfica, Académica
Mike Smalling said:
That would be a dream scenario for Democrats. It’s a real dilemma for the Republicans. Best case for them would be to convince Trump to withdraw and support DeSantis. But if both of them decide to go for the nomination, it could get ugly.
Click to expand...
Hum... I think Trump's ego is too huge to accept that. Even if they try to give him a pornographic amount of money to withdraw, he's probably not money oriented at this stage of his life.
 

calodo2003

Flaming Full Member
Joined
Feb 8, 2014
Messages
41,799
Location
Florida
André Dominguez said:
Hum... I think Trump's ego is too huge to accept that. Even if they try to give him a pornographic amount of money to withdraw, he's probably not money oriented at this stage of his life.
Click to expand...
And DeSantis’ ego is too huge to accept a VP slot. It could be epic.

Oh, no, he is still waaaaaaaaaaay $ oriented in his life. That’s literally all he cares about.
 

Mike Smalling

Full Member
Joined
Jan 27, 2018
Messages
10,976
André Dominguez said:
Hum... I think Trump's ego is too huge to accept that. Even if they try to give him a pornographic amount of money to withdraw, he's probably not money oriented at this stage of his life.
Click to expand...
You are probably right about his. If I was the Republican leadership, I would try to really play to Trump's vanity, and try to convince him, that he would have some kind of Godfather-type role in the background. Spin a yarn about how he would be needed to get the major deals in place, while helping to pick candidates for the House and Senate and get them elected. He would also be able to still appear a lot on Fox News. What he really loves is campaigning and 'deal making', but he doesn't actually like doing the work, so creating a position like that for him might be at least somewhat attractive. And of course, they can throw in a lot of money as well.

It's not guaranteed to work, but that would be my strategy.
 

WI_Red

Redcafes Most Rested
Joined
May 20, 2018
Messages
12,130
Location
No longer in WI
Supports
Atlanta United
I 100% believe he will run as long as he is alive for 2 reasons:
1. His narcissism.
2. He thinks (probably rightly) it will let him avoid jail/prosecution.
 

calodo2003

Flaming Full Member
Joined
Feb 8, 2014
Messages
41,799
Location
Florida
WI_Red said:
I 100% believe he will run as long as he is alive for 2 reasons:
1. His narcissism.
2. He thinks (probably rightly) it will let him avoid jail/prosecution.
Click to expand...
I agree with both, plus the overall grift will be able to continue unabated.
 

jackal&hyde

Full Member
Joined
Mar 20, 2018
Messages
4,220
I am open to any opinion, even anti science idiots that are believing more in religion then anything else, I believe in respecting them.

People that are against abortion and female rights, are fecking monsterns. Your own sister gets raped and you fight for her to have that baby born of an abomination. I am open to any belief system but this is beyond any level of human though and morality.
 

neverdie

Full Member
Joined
Oct 26, 2018
Messages
2,387
Celeste Burgess, a 17-year-old girl, and her mother, Jessica Burgess, now face felony charges in their home state of Nebraska after Celeste Burgess allegedly self-managed an abortion after Nebraska’s 20-week abortion ban. Celeste, who is being tried as an adult, faces a felony charge related to burying the fetal remains and two misdemeanor charges of “concealing the death of another person” and lying to police. Her mother, who allegedly helped her self-manage an abortion, faces five charges, including inducing an abortion and performing an abortion without a license.

Law enforcement received a tip that Celeste Burgess allegedly miscarried and then buried the fetus with her mother’s help. Law enforcement then served Facebook a search warrant, with which Facebook complied, to find private messages in which the mother and daughter discussed Celeste Burgess’s self-managed abortion. It’s abhorrent, but unsurprising, that Facebook willingly turned over a user’s private messages to aid in the unjust prosecution of her self-managed abortion, but this is what that company is. CEO Mark Zuckerberg has proven, time and again, that he has absolutely no concern for the privacy and safety of the social networking site’s users or for society at large. Facebook has happily eroded the fabric of online privacy for years, allowing white supremacy and disinformation to flourish on the site, all while gobbling up billions in ad dollars.

Now, the company is assisting in the criminalization of a teenager for having an abortion.

This may be one of the first cases of Facebook collaborating with the criminalization of abortion care, but it certainly won’t be the last. And it isn’t the first time people have experienced criminalization for their pregnancy outcomes, or that their digital footprint has been used to aid in that criminalization. In 2001, Regina McKnight, a Black woman who experienced homelessness and struggled with drug addiction in South Carolina, was convicted of homicide and sentenced to 12 years in prison for experiencing a stillbirth. It was the first known conviction of its kind under Roe v. Wade. By the time Purvi Patel, an Indiana woman and child of Indian immigrants, found herself pregnant in 2015, the digital communication landscape had radically transformed. Patel sent unencrypted text messages to a friend about her pregnancy and shared that she had searched for abortion pills online. She went to the hospital with heavy vaginal bleeding, and admitted that she had delivered a stillborn fetus earlier. She was terrified of her conservative parents’ reaction, and wanted to hide what had happened from them. Instead, law enforcement subpoenaed her text messages, and they helped convict her of feticide and child neglect.
Latice Fisher, a Black mother of three, delivered a stillborn baby in the backroom of her Starksville, Mississippi, home in 2017. Her husband called 911, and instead of being treated as a tragic accident, law enforcement regarded Fisher with suspicion. They searched Fisher’s internet search history on her phone, found a result for medication abortion, and therefore assumed she had intentionally attempted to terminate the pregnancy. She was charged with second-degree murder and faced up to 40 years in prison.

These all happened while Roe v. Wade was the law of the land. Women of color were targeted regardless of abortion’s legality. Now that Roe has fallen, the surveillance and criminalization that was once largely limited to women of color is extending exponentially, and Facebook is a fundamental part of it.

So much of our communication is digital, and it’s both unfair and unrealistic to assume that, when trying to find information or even reaching out to a friend for comfort and support, we simply avoid the internet altogether. For young people, especially, who came of age when social media was a given, it’s impossible. What’s imperative is that pregnant people seeking support and information know how to protect themselves from possible criminalization.
Facebook isn’t just assisting law enforcement in the criminalization of pregnancy outcomes; it also provides its highly-sensitive user data to anti-abortion organizations, known for their deceptive tactics and outright lies, that use it to target people online, even though it violates their own policies. Plus, Facebook and Instagram, both owned by Meta, have been removing posts aimed at helping people access abortion care information and services.
Never assume good intentions from a social media networking site. Meta, which owns Facebook and Instagram, is clearly willing to support the criminalization of self-managed abortion. Your “private” messages on either of those sites aren’t private, as Celeste Burgess’s tragic case shows, and Meta can and will provide them to law enforcement. Don’t trust Twitter direct messages, either. If you have to communicate digitally about self-managed abortion, opt for an end-to-end encrypted messaging app, like Signal. And if you’re searching for information online, be sure to use a privacy-preserving search engine, like DuckDuckGo. You can also use a private, encrypted email service like Protonmail when discussing self-managed abortion, or a secondary phone number like a Google phone number account
Click to expand...
full article https://truthout.org/articles/facebook-is-collaborating-with-cops-to-criminalize-pregnancy-outcomes/
 
You must log in or register to reply here.