Am currently mateYou ever been married mate?
Am currently mateYou ever been married mate?
What the hell is wrong with these "people" ? Orcs of a different nature.
America is fecked, is there any other country in the so-called civilised west that is still as far behind as they are?
Mississippi going full Mississippi
Because your very first line is you asking how it works for 'the man to have a say', not how it works for the man to have the deciding say.Not sure why you find that a frustrating attitude? We both agree that ultimately the woman will have the deciding vote. Being included in the conversation is one thing, but in the end there’s one party that should have the final say. No contradiction there.
Maybe I should have worded it differently, but I meant having a say in the final decision. I don’t think anybody is saying it’s unreasonable for a man to get to put in his two cents, provided there’s the prerequisite relationship in place.Because your very first line is you asking how it works for 'the man to have a say', not how it works for the man to have the deciding say.
As I said, I'm very Pro choice and I don't know how everyone else's relationship works but in mine, my wife and I talk through all major life decisions and come to a consensus. It's not just that either of us decides and the other be damned.
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How is pregnancy comparable to an infectious disease?I’m going to get stick for this post but oh well.
America opened Pandora’s box by forcing Vaccines and Masks. The democrats fell for it. Now how can they bang on about my body my choice when they were acting like they were against the anti vax people. I know it’s apples and oranges. But by giving the government power to force lockdowns, vaccines, masks, they’ll go on to do more like abortions. What’s next? Uniforms? Length of hair? France have banned hijabs.
It doesn’t matter if vaccines and masks were for the greater good. This power couldn’t have been given to the government. Pandora’s box.
Do you?I know it’s apples and oranges.
It’s not comparable to me. But it is to the US Government.How is pregnancy comparable to an infectious disease?
Disgusting take.Abortion, in my opinion, is simply wrong. The same as destroying any nascent life is wrong.
The fact that the foetus is not yet a fully-fledged human being is irrelevant. It is life in its most vulnerable form and in its most invioble state (within a womb) being killed.
Yes, there are cases where the life of the mother may be jeopardized by giving birth, but the act of killing foetuses is one that we should not just casually dismiss as a society, nor encourage.
There is a wider issue of rape culture and promiscuity that leads to unwanted pregnancies and to some degree necessitates birth control. Again, it is up to us to fix that. We need, as a society, to stop promoting casual flings and Tinder-dates as being part of who we are as a people. We have to stress the importance and sanctity of settled relationships and building a family.
It's anyone's guess as to why we don't do that anyway, especially when it is to everyone's benefit. We don't encourage people to smoke cigarettes and we limit alcohol advertising, so why don't we advise people, particularly at a young age, to get married and have a family. Instead we genuflect culturally to a kind of degrading hedonism that leaves people broken, mentally damaged, and isolated. Some of these people have to convince themselves, against inevitable doubts, that they were right to abort an unborn child that they had conceived and succoured, a life that relied exclusively on them and survived and existed only because of them.
The level of mental trauma that must exist for doctors and mothers who go through abortions cannot be underestimated.
Wow...Abortion, in my opinion, is simply wrong. The same as destroying any nascent life is wrong.
The fact that the foetus is not yet a fully-fledged human being is irrelevant. It is life in its most vulnerable form and in its most invioble state (within a womb) being killed.
Yes, there are cases where the life of the mother may be jeopardized by giving birth, but the act of killing foetuses is one that we should not just casually dismiss as a society, nor encourage.
There is a wider issue of rape culture and promiscuity that leads to unwanted pregnancies and to some degree necessitates birth control. Again, it is up to us to fix that. We need, as a society, to stop promoting casual flings and Tinder-dates as being part of who we are as a people. We have to stress the importance and sanctity of settled relationships and building a family.
It's anyone's guess as to why we don't do that anyway, especially when it is to everyone's benefit. We don't encourage people to smoke cigarettes and we limit alcohol advertising, so why don't we advise people, particularly at a young age, to get married and have a family. Instead we genuflect culturally to a kind of degrading hedonism that leaves people broken, mentally damaged, and isolated. Some of these people have to convince themselves, against inevitable doubts, that they were right to abort an unborn child that they had conceived and succoured, a life that relied exclusively on them and survived and existed only because of them.
The level of mental trauma that must exist for doctors and mothers who go through abortions cannot be underestimated.
I sincerely hope so.I’m going to get stick for this post but oh well.
America opened Pandora’s box by forcing Vaccines and Masks. The democrats fell for it. Now how can they bang on about my body my choice when they were acting like they were against the anti vax people. I know it’s apples and oranges. But by giving the government power to force lockdowns, vaccines, masks, they’ll go on to do more like abortions. What’s next? Uniforms? Length of hair? France have banned hijabs.
It doesn’t matter if vaccines and masks were for the greater good. This power couldn’t have been given to the government. Pandora’s box.
Most likely a higher number since it's not brought to light in most cases.Disgusting take.
Very difficult to get truly accurate numbers but I've seen stats that say approx 40% of rapes occur within families.
Is it? The Republican party had many members complaining about the pandemic restrictions but those same individuals never once wavered on their commitment to deny women that same bodily autonomy when it comes to pregnancy. Indeed, I believe some of them were even asked what the difference was and not one of them could provide a viable answer.It’s not comparable to me. But it is to the US Government.
Wouldn't codifying abortion just be shot down by the supreme court? Or is it not possible for the supreme court to shoot down a law codified by the government? I would doubt that.Tweet
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I’m going to get stick for this post but oh well.
America opened Pandora’s box by forcing Vaccines and Masks. The democrats fell for it. Now how can they bang on about my body my choice when they were acting like they were against the anti vax people. I know it’s apples and oranges. But by giving the government power to force lockdowns, vaccines, masks, they’ll go on to do more like abortions. What’s next? Uniforms? Length of hair? France have banned hijabs.
It doesn’t matter if vaccines and masks were for the greater good. This power couldn’t have been given to the government. Pandora’s box.
Just on your last paragraph; I work in operating theatres- I see terminations all the time, I’ve taken part in thousands. Any doctor, nurse, or medical staff who don’t want to be present for one can choose that, without consequence. I’d say 99% don’t take that option. As for the mothers, they are choosing to do it, much as they could also choose not to. It’s their choice. Please stop talking like you are somehow protecting the mental health of the people involved, all of whom have consented to the process. By all means use your right to take a moral/ethical stance on this, but please don’t dress this up as concern for the people involved, none of whom you know, and none of whose reasons you know.Abortion, in my opinion, is simply wrong. The same as destroying any nascent life is wrong.
The fact that the foetus is not yet a fully-fledged human being is irrelevant. It is life in its most vulnerable form and in its most invioble state (within a womb) being killed.
Yes, there are cases where the life of the mother may be jeopardized by giving birth, but the act of killing foetuses is one that we should not just casually dismiss as a society, nor encourage.
There is a wider issue of rape culture and promiscuity that leads to unwanted pregnancies and to some degree necessitates birth control. Again, it is up to us to fix that. We need, as a society, to stop promoting casual flings and Tinder-dates as being part of who we are as a people. We have to stress the importance and sanctity of settled relationships and building a family.
It's anyone's guess as to why we don't do that anyway, especially when it is to everyone's benefit. We don't encourage people to smoke cigarettes and we limit alcohol advertising, so why don't we advise people, particularly at a young age, to get married and have a family. Instead we genuflect culturally to a kind of degrading hedonism that leaves people broken, mentally damaged, and isolated. Some of these people have to convince themselves, against inevitable doubts, that they were right to abort an unborn child that they had conceived and succoured, a life that relied exclusively on them and survived and existed only because of them.
The level of mental trauma that must exist for doctors and mothers who go through abortions cannot be underestimated.
Fair point, didn't even think of that.Most likely a higher number since it's not brought to light in most cases.
That is a question for someone much smarter than I.Wouldn't codifying abortion just be shot down by the supreme court? Or is it not possible for the supreme court to shoot down a law codified by the government? I would doubt that.
Oh dear.I’m going to get stick for this post but oh well.
America opened Pandora’s box by forcing Vaccines and Masks. The democrats fell for it. Now how can they bang on about my body my choice when they were acting like they were against the anti vax people. I know it’s apples and oranges. But by giving the government power to force lockdowns, vaccines, masks, they’ll go on to do more like abortions. What’s next? Uniforms? Length of hair? France have banned hijabs.
It doesn’t matter if vaccines and masks were for the greater good. This power couldn’t have been given to the government. Pandora’s box.
Congratulations. I wasn't trying to pry as such. Just wondering with regards to your response earlier.Am currently mate
Most abortions I know of where it's a relationship have been a result of the man "forcing" or strongly advocating a termination.Maybe I should have worded it differently, but I meant having a say in the final decision. I don’t think anybody is saying it’s unreasonable for a man to get to put in his two cents, provided there’s the prerequisite relationship in place.
You'd think the Supreme Court just legalized abortion, judging by that post, instead of effectively banning it in half the country.
Depends on how they are viewed. Morning after pills aren’t abortion pills, but many see a distinction without a difference between the two. A large hospital provider declared they were stopping administering plan b pills throughout their setup, fearing that they were next on the chopping block in Missouri. After rancorous criticism, they began administering them again.Any ideas how this works with morning after pills etc?
I mean in America generally. Would they be something that is supported or accessible or is that seen as a no no?
That remains to be seen, I think. There are plenty of Republicans who want to get rid of the Supreme Court decision that deals with contraception (Griswold), which I believe was made using the same kinds of privacy arguments that were used for Roe. Right now I don't think they can ban morning after pills, but if they get rid of that one then the states can do whatever they want.Any ideas how this works with morning after pills etc?
I mean in America generally. Would they be something that is supported or accessible or is that seen as a no no?
Thanks for that. I have no idea on the American thought processes for these things.Depends on how they are viewed. Morning after pills aren’t abortion pills, but many see a distinction without a difference between the two. A large hospital provider declared they were stopping administering plan b pills throughout their setup, fearing that they were next on the chopping block in Missouri. After rancorous criticism, they began administering them again.
No doubt the right will try to cast any pill taken after intercourse to be an abortifacient in due time.
Cheers. Thanks for responding. I really don't have a clue about what's happening in America.That remains to be seen, I think. There are plenty of Republicans who want to get rid of the Supreme Court decision that deals with contraception (Griswold), which I believe was made using the same kinds of privacy arguments that were used for Roe. Right now I don't think they can ban morning after pills, but if they get rid of that one then the states can do whatever they want.
I read that as one of the participants was to say ‘coitus interruptus’ & they’d stop having sex right then & there.Thanks for that. I have no idea on the American thought processes for these things.
About 25-30 years ago I read a report from a place (can't remember the details) that was on about banning the contraceptive pill because it basically causes "abortions" a sort of sperm attached to egg then is aborted (again I forget the terminology). The proposal was to say "coitus interruptus" was the only form of contraceptive allowed. And condoms. No other form allowed. And yeah it was as nuts as it sounds.
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I'm not making much sense of this. They surely can't make it illegal for any of their residents once they're out of state?
It’s stopping anyone from out of a state that has a trigger law in place to come into Montana for a medical abortion via pills.I'm not making much sense of this. They surely can't make it illegal for any of their residents once they're out of state?
Yes I understood that. Maybe I didn't word it very well. Why would they do that?It’s stopping anyone from out of a state that has a trigger law in place to come into Montana for a medical abortion via pills.
Potential lawsuits / legal action? It’s obviously out of fear, I just can’t think of anything else than legal action.Yes I understood that. Maybe I didn't word it very well. Why would they do that?
That's what I was getting at. As you say it's likely they're afraid of a legal kickback of some kind. However, the states that ban abortion surely have no jurisdiction over their residents once they're out of state. Wouldn't that set an untenable precedent?Potential lawsuits / legal action? It’s obviously out of fear, I just can’t think of anything else than legal action.
We’ve seen how important precedents have been recently. I would think the trigger law states wouldn’t give a flying feck.That's what I was getting at. As you say it's likely they're afraid of a legal kickback of some kind. However, the states that ban abortion surely have no jurisdiction over their residents once they're out of state. Wouldn't that set an untenable precedent?