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There's lots of ABU threads. So I decided to make a new one. The other ones were dated.

It has been pretty interesting to see how unanimous pundits, media, etc. have been when it comes to a player choosing United. How often they have to go through "a United that finished 15th in the league while Newcastle have CL football and finished 5th!" or " they were flirting with relegation at times, and he chose them!" etc.

It's still by far the biggest club in the land. Despite the fecking leeches.
 
The club has been in dire straits for the last 12 years, of which the club qualified 7 times for the CL, won two FA Cups, two League cups, and one Europa Cup (once getting knocked out in the QF, once in the SF, and twice losing a final).

And yet, they keep being surprised that players choose United over clubs that have won feck all for decades but qualified a couple of times for the CL.

Mad.
 
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Anybody read Alan Shearers piece in MEN , what a condescending prick. He's pissed off and he still can't see why players choose Utd ..
The guys bitter biased on every front. You can see now why he's not on any Show other than MOTD.. he blatantly forgets to mention Utd reached a European final , not a league cup final in 70 years fecking tool..
 
Anybody read Alan Shearers piece in MEN , what a condescending prick. He's pissed off and he still can't see why players choose Utd ..
The guys bitter biased on every front. You can see now why he's not on any Show other than MOTD.. he blatantly forgets to mention Utd reached a European final , not a league cup final in 70 years fecking tool..

Once read an alternative theory on Shearer that his first choice was actually us in 1996 but Jack Walker hated United/Fergie so refused to sell him unless it was for a crazy transfer fee. We backed out and the Geordies were his only feasible domestic option.

He's basically spent the last near 30 years almost pandering to the "Newcastle was always my first choice, I really hate Man Yoo..." lie.
 
Once read an alternative theory on Shearer that his first choice was actually us in 1996 but Jack Walker hated United/Fergie so refused to sell him unless it was for a crazy transfer fee. We backed out and the Geordies were his only feasible domestic option.

He's basically spent the last near 30 years almost pandering to the "Newcastle was always my first choice, I really hate Man Yoo..." lie.
Feel like he's become more bitter since Kane moved to the BL and picked up some trophies, I saw people saying it shows that trophies not goal records or staying at their club are what players really want (which is basically what Shearer holds onto). Great CF, arguably the best all rounder goal scorer the league has seen, but what a bad decision to go Newcastle.
 
Feel like he's become more bitter since Kane moved to the BL and picked up some trophies, I saw people saying it shows that trophies not goal records or staying at their club are what players really want (which is basically what Shearer holds onto). Great CF, arguably the best all rounder goal scorer the league has seen, but what a bad decision to go Newcastle.

I guarantee Kane would trade whatever medals he wins between now and the end of his career for Shearer’s one Premier League.
 
I respect Shearer, he loves Newcastle and chose his boyhood club. I personally think he deserves a round of applause for sticking with his principles.

The ABU’s that really wind me up is Gabby Agbonlahor and Merson.

I had a look for Gabbys honours, I’m still looking.
At least Merson has two league winners medals to back himself in constantly slagging us off.
 
Once read an alternative theory on Shearer that his first choice was actually us in 1996 but Jack Walker hated United/Fergie so refused to sell him unless it was for a crazy transfer fee. We backed out and the Geordies were his only feasible domestic option.

He's basically spent the last near 30 years almost pandering to the "Newcastle was always my first choice, I really hate Man Yoo..." lie.
It’s not an alternative theory.. it clearly happened. Once Jack Walker loudly announced that Shearer would go to United “over my dead body” the cozy dialogue between him and Fergie immediately stopped and Shearer suddenly and belatedly announced his undying love for his “boyhood club “. You’ll never read about it in the media… oh, apart from the time you said you did. Or it could have been on here… some of us remember it well.
 
I respect Shearer, he loves Newcastle and chose his boyhood club. I personally think he deserves a round of applause for sticking with his principles.

The ABU’s that really wind me up is Gabby Agbonlahor and Merson.

I had a look for Gabbys honours, I’m still looking.
At least Merson has two league winners medals to back himself in constantly slagging us off.
Oh God… not another.

See above
 
It’s not an alternative theory.. it clearly happened. Once Jack Walker loudly announced that Shearer would go to United “over my dead body” the cozy dialogue between him and Fergie immediately stopped and Shearer suddenly and belatedly announced his undying love for his “boyhood club “. You’ll never read about it in the media… oh, apart from the time you said you did. Or it could have been on here… some of us remember it well.
Blackburn accepted our bid when we matched Newcastle's offer.
 
Listened to the Football Daily podcast following our win this weekend. Chris Sutton is unbearable to listen to regarding us. So bitter.
 
Blackburn accepted our bid when we matched Newcastle's offer.
It’s not an alternative theory.. it clearly happened. Once Jack Walker loudly announced that Shearer would go to United “over my dead body” the cozy dialogue between him and Fergie immediately stopped and Shearer suddenly and belatedly announced his undying love for his “boyhood club “. You’ll never read about it in the media… oh, apart from the time you said you did. Or it could have been on here… some of us remember it well.
I'd also add that regardless of the above, had the saga happened a year later, I reckon Shearer would have signed for us.

He would have jumped at the chance to be Eric's replacement and I'm not sure he signs for Newcastle (again, regardless of their financial offer) without Keegan. The Geordies were beginning to unravel once Daglish started signing his former Liverpool mates and sold Ferdinand and Ginola.
 
Cancel it. I would say it’s not difficult but it actually is, depending on how you joined or by what method
Felt this. The feckers really make you jump through hoops.

The one thing they do that I value is the Talk of the Devil's podcast with Mitten, Anka and Whitwell. You can still listen to that without a sub though
 
Football Ramble's analysis of the Liverpool game was to spend 80% of the chat on how 9 times out of 10 Liverpool would have won, that they were surprised how confident United were "have you not watched yourselves play, YOU'RE SHIT!" and then 20% talking about how the first goal should have been disallowed. :+1:
 
Why do United fans give a shit about what this pundit says about us or what that media outlet says about us?

Really and truly, what difference does it make?

The only thing that matters to me are performances and results on the pitch. Get them right, and the outside noise disappears.
 
Why do United fans give a shit about what this pundit says about us or what that media outlet says about us?

Really and truly, what difference does it make?

The only thing that matters to me are performances and results on the pitch. Get them right, and the outside noise disappears.
Disproportionate negative coverage helps create a negative environment which helps spiral the club into further negativity and in turn bad results.

It’s not everything but it genuinely really doesn’t help.
 
Press coverage effects teams as well as refs, negative view of utd overall has emboldened the refs. You will see a variety of decisions given against utd compared to top 4 teams which includes softer penalties
 
I was listening to the United We Stand podcast covering the build up to the game against Liverpool and there's a point on their journey down where one of the fans mentions that he has been really impressed with the right hand side of the team, namechecking Yoro, Diallo, Mbuemo and it really made me think that because of the amount of narrative based media coverage, it's very rare you see discussion of issues that actually relate to what the game actually looks like on the pitch, especially without it being discussed in the context of tactics etc.

I get that people are into it and the desire for the constant news cycle and the pressure of clickbait mean that constantly pushing a narrative assists with content, but it becomes a relentless noise.

I would absolutely advocate for trying to reduce your diet of social media coverage, and where possible try and speak to real fans in person that might have original ideas or an appetite to have their own opinion rather than just discussing the current narrative.

As someone mentioned above, we've been sh** when you consider the amount of money spent, but we're still winning stuff and have spent the vast majority of our history in european competitions, it's only very recently that a certain moneybags club were way down a few tiers being beaten by Stockport County, now that's suffering!

The ABU coverage is ridiculous, it's like being gaslighted, Liverpool are having a mare atm (I don't think it'll be long before they pull their socks up though, they have bought some quality to be sure) but they are getting treated very leniently by the press, no real pressure or attacks on Slot considering the discussion pieces around every United manager since SAF tend to pile pressure on etc.

It's always been this way though, Sir Matt back in the day referred to the papers as tomorrows chip paper, don't know what the equivalent is with the digital press but there you go...

Talk to real people and read United We Stand / Red Issue and you'll feel much better...
 
Shame that The Athletic are going down the anti United route.
I saw a very similar video made by Steven Howson criticizing Athletic, in fact all metrics and points raised were exactly the same. Great that people have ridiculed Athletic for their obvious bias videos against Utd.
 
I saw a very similar video made by Steven Howson criticizing Athletic, in fact all metrics and points raised were exactly the same. Great that people have ridiculed Athletic for their obvious bias videos against Utd.
Yeah I've seen that.
 
The thing is I don't know what people expect.

United have a bad result, United are popular, so it makes sense for a journalist or anyone after some views (which ultimately is the point) to do a piece on why United are rubbish...and then you'll always be able to pick it apart like you can any other football analysis piece.

It's a person or group of people waffling shite about football. If you find it interesting enough to pay a fee to something like The Athletic then fair enough, but I don't know why people read more into it than what it is.

Some nerd with smart looking glasses and a £2k laptop can bring up 100 different heat maps, charts and percentages to explain in massive detail why Man Utd tactically beat Liverpool, but it doesn't change the fact that they might not have if VVD didn't elbow his own team mate in the back of the head.

It's just analysis for the sake of analysis, and then it can come across as ABU because it's aimed at you as a fan base.
 
The thing is I don't know what people expect.

United have a bad result, United are popular, so it makes sense for a journalist or anyone after some views (which ultimately is the point) to do a piece on why United are rubbish...and then you'll always be able to pick it apart like you can any other football analysis piece.

It's a person or group of people waffling shite about football. If you find it interesting enough to pay a fee to something like The Athletic then fair enough, but I don't know why people read more into it than what it is.

Some nerd with smart looking glasses and a £2k laptop can bring up 100 different heat maps, charts and percentages to explain in massive detail why Man Utd tactically beat Liverpool, but it doesn't change the fact that they might not have if VVD didn't elbow his own team mate in the back of the head.

It's just analysis for the sake of analysis, and then it can come across as ABU because it's aimed at you as a fan base.
Doing analysis for an individual game really doesn't offer much value, and the example you gave is one of many you could have given as to why.

What people here do not seem to understand is that you need as big a collection of data as possible to get value. Just like sharing how many interceptions, tackles, chances created etc means very little, because you need far more data to create context which is where the value is.
 
Doing analysis for an individual game really doesn't offer much value, and the example you gave is one of many you could have given as to why.

What people here do not seem to understand is that you need as big a collection of data as possible to get value. Just like sharing how many interceptions, tackles, chances created etc means very little, because you need far more data to create context which is where the value is.

I think its just a bit of a mug's game in general. It can be fun to analyse and look at stats in minute detail, but as you said you need a massive sample, and then you need multiple other samples from other teams in simlar and better/worse situations to compare it with, and even then you aren't going to prove anything anyway, because its still not accounting for the individual ability and attributes of the players, or the mentality they approached the games with, both of which are almost certainly a much bigger factor.

Like the example above about United having too many shots from silly positons. You don't need to do a bunch of counter analysis to know this is either nonsense or irrelevant. United lost to Arsenal because they couldn't defend a corner. They lost to City because Haaland slapped the backline about, and they lost to Brentford because they played like complete garbage and got found out. Nothing to do with where United were taking their shots from.

If you got a team of average, lazy players, and put them against a team of world class, hard working players, and set both up exactly the same, with the exact same tactics down to every minute detail, it wouldn't end a draw just because if you tactically analysed both teams to death you'd find no real difference between them...and even if you did find big differences, all you'd prove is that its down to individuality and not tactics.
 
United fans: We are sh*te!
Athletic analyst: United are sh*te!

United fans: What the hell ABU Athletic!!!

It’s not the fact he’s saying we’re shite that’s the issue here, more the way he’s framing these stats without providing the right context. He claims we’re taking pot shots from range as the reason we’re struggling yet only Arsenal and Spurs I think are shooting from closer range, the rest of the teams in the league are taking shots from similar areas to us. He then shows a clip to highlight this by using an example of Sesko literally shooting from inside the box! :lol:

Then examples from Cunha, a player known for his long shots and scoring from outside the box. I’ve no issue with him doing that as he’s a bit of an outlier, the rest of our attackers aren’t doing that consistently. Add to that the recent Athletic piece claiming Sesko’s been the worst signing of the season according to 20 agents, like they don’t have their own agendas. The man’s scored whenever he’s started games yet nothings said about massive money transfers Wirtz and Isak who’ve stank the place out so far. The whole thing stinks of rage baiting Utd fans to generate clicks, the sort of shite you’d expect from TalkSport not the Athletic.
 
United fans: We are sh*te!
Athletic analyst: United are sh*te!

United fans: What the hell ABU Athletic!!!
The criticism of The Athletics video is in regards to misleading stats and lying about shots outside the box.

There was no comparison to rivals as a metric, by the their “journalist “standards it was very poor analysis. The eye test tells us all we need to know in terms of where were at but to mislead viewers on metrics that were false/ or embellished is what people have questioned and rightly called out.

I think we've been unfairly covered for years but critisim isn't a bad thing but there's only so many times you can flog a dead horse. Saying that Uniteds dead horse can be flogged more than any other.
 
It’s one thing listening to actual pundits from bbc or Sky but to put any credit on absolute nobodies from podcasts etc. meh they’re all ordinary Joe’s who talk shit
 
Football Ramble's analysis of the Liverpool game was to spend 80% of the chat on how 9 times out of 10 Liverpool would have won, that they were surprised how confident United were "have you not watched yourselves play, YOU'RE SHIT!" and then 20% talking about how the first goal should have been disallowed. :+1:
Football Ramble is still going?! Next you'll tell me Dream Team is on tomorrow at six o'clock.
 
Just look at Sky post match here. Droning on about the two decisions that went against Brighton (apparently). Yet zero discussion on the two against us in the first half.

They know what they’re doing.
 
Just look at Sky post match here. Droning on about the two decisions that went against Brighton (apparently). Yet zero discussion on the two against us in the first half.

They know what they’re doing.

This type of stuff really bothers me particularly if they harp on about it during the game itself. I don’t really watch the post match anymore. But when they make the whole game about one decision that went our way even though it was not even the worst decision of the game itself and we had one or two given against us.
 
Should have watched the video before writing this.

I did, right at the start he talks about that Sesko article and I immediately understood he's just someone wanting to look for something to be mad about.

I can't believe people are still deluded enough to be mad at the Athletic for that article. For the last time, that is not the Athletic's rating of signings this summer, it's of a group of agents they did a poll with!

If you want to look at the Athletic's own rankings, they've done a couple. One at the end of the window and one a few weeks ago after a couple of months of the season. Go read that and then rage about them being ABU.

The other parts video are completely far points he brings up but that doesn't point to any bias the Athletic has. They've done similarly negative videos on Spurs start to the season as well and they're above us, does that mean they're ABS?
 
Talkshite Alert.

Agbonlahor today said on TS that pound to pound Forest have a better team than United!...than I switched off!