And yet they seem content to cheer on a bunch of cheating cnuts to title after title. 
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
I've been hearing rave reviews about Cunha all season, yet as soon as it seems like United are going to sign him, he is "lazy, has an attitude problem, is generally shite and over rated, and not worth half the money"....
I've been hearing rave reviews about Cunha all season, yet as soon as it seems like United are going to sign him, he is "lazy, has an attitude problem, is generally shite and over rated, and not worth half the money"....
Yeah this was the fastest flip flop ever. When Arsenal were in for him in Jan, everyone was all about chaosball and the xG variance and adding a bit of unpredictability to attack. As soon as United are in for him, he's not worth it at 62.5M, attitude problems and all that.
I recall a game during the 07-08 season when he felt Ronaldo had went down easily in a match and slightly milked the situation. Now bear in mind by this point he’d come 2nd in the BD and won the league as United’s stand out player the previous season….
Burley on commentary comes out with “get up son, this is the premier league”.
Me and my flat mate just burst out laughing.
It’s because they’re our rivals, it would be a very different tone imo if Everton did what City did.And yet they seem content to cheer on a bunch of cheating cnuts to title after title.
As one of the replies to this “story” (written by a journalist from Liverpool with a Liverpool top on as her avatar) says, the fifth placed PL team get Cl qualification, in part due to the success of us and Spurs (Co-efficient).
Two of the last three winners finished in the bottom half of their league, Sevilla (12th) and Frankfurt (11th). Nobody batted an eye over them being in the CL the next season...
It's got feck all to do with the prize that people don’t like, just that it could be United (or Spurs) benefitting from it the bad faith bastards
Two of the last three winners finished in the bottom half of their league, Sevilla (12th) and Frankfurt (11th). Nobody batted an eye over them being in the CL the next season...
It's got feck all to do with the prize that people don’t like, just that it could be United (or Spurs) benefitting from it the bad faith bastards
Yep! What does it matter how they’ve done in the league? They win the cup and meet the criteria and rightly deserve to meet the prize.
So sick of anything we do getting criticised, not even won it yet but bad faith writers trying to undermine it.
We probably won’t win it to be fair, but even so we’ve been excellent in Europe! Scored around 30 goals I think and were literally unbeaten right now. How don’t we deserve it?
Two of the last three winners finished in the bottom half of their league, Sevilla (12th) and Frankfurt (11th). Nobody batted an eye over them being in the CL the next season...
It's got feck all to do with the prize that people don’t like, just that it could be United (or Spurs) benefitting from it the bad faith bastards
You have to have serious levels of paranoia to see this as ABU.
It's kind of funny in one sense that (fingers crossed no feck up on thurs) one of United or Spurs gets UCL after being so dross all year. Harsh on probably Villa and Forest, who look like missing out.
No-one in England gives a shit about Frankfurt and even fewer will have checked where they finished in the bundesliga.
Two of the last three winners finished in the bottom half of their league, Sevilla (12th) and Frankfurt (11th). Nobody batted an eye over them being in the CL the next season...
It's got feck all to do with the prize that people don’t like, just that it could be United (or Spurs) benefitting from it the bad faith bastards
Bitter Liverpool fan.
seems really easy to be a football journalist who aims to farm clicks and attention these days.
It's not though. If Villa or Forest aren't good enough to get top 5, that's on them. If Forest wanted a backdoor entry, they should have qualified for the Europa League last season and won it this. Maybe they will win the Europa next season. I highly doubt it though. Villa would have a very good chance.
Truly is hilarious seeing all the crying about us or Spurs potentially getting into the CL next season. Paddy Power are having a fit over it. Bet they wouldn't be making smarthole remarks if Liverpool were in this position. (One of the PP social media admins is definitely a dipper).
There'd be no crying if Forest were in our postition. Quite the opposite would all be how great it was and that's what the EL is all about.
There'd be no crying if Forest were in our postition. Quite the opposite would all be how great it was and that's what the EL is all about.
It has nothing really to do with sides that miss out though. Like how is United winning the europa to get CL harsh on the team finishing 6th or 7th in league.
Imo it’s a new angle for criticise United with Spurs catching a stray bullet. If this was say Wolves the entire countries media would be behind them.
If anything the UK media should be behind any english winner. Which reminds me of when SAF commented our media were more or less high fiving each other in Rome 09 after Barca beat us. He commented the spanish media were firmly behind Barca. Brits can be a bit “funny” in this way re success.
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Wenger crying about it now.
TBF press have jumped the gun a bit.
Only guarantee is one of Man. United/Spurs will fail to win the competition so they will then get rightly hammered all summer for taking the league season off not to win the Europa league as neither should be finishing anywhere near the bottom six with budget, resources, stature etc.
Only guarantee is one of Man. United/Spurs will fail to win the competition so they will then get rightly hammered all summer for taking the league season off not to win the Europa league as neither should be finishing anywhere near the bottom six with budget, resources, stature etc.
They will be either vindicated or embarrassed depending on how the qualifying team perform in the champions league next year (assuming one of them does qualify). If they embarrass themselves then it will back up their thoughts, in their eyes.
When you look at some of the dross in the Champions League these days, it seems unlikely that any English club would fail to make the playoff round at least. I don't think the bottom 10 clubs in the Champions League are better than Porto/Fenerbace/Lazio/Roma/Galatasary etc.
No-one gives a shit about Villa or Forest
Not surprising from the guy who latterly convinced Arsenal fans that Champions League qualification was worth celebrating as if they had won the treble. Three years in a row.
It seems like an agenda. Now
Says the Villa fan whose team is about to miss out on Europe finishing 6th… there shouldn’t be 6 teams from one country in the Champions League anyway.
Wenger Out.
As for paddy power, they can return to feeding addiction and preying on vulnerable people.
Scum.
As for paddy power, they can return to feeding addiction and preying on vulnerable people.
Scum.
Yes a team coming fifth in a league deserves to be in the champions league more than Champions of an actual European competition do. Of course.
If you had to be a league champion to qualify for the Champions League then these arguments would hold water but qualifying fifth placed teams based solely on making the competition more lucrative makes the whole argument moot.
If you had to be a league champion to qualify for the Champions League then these arguments would hold water but qualifying fifth placed teams based solely on making the competition more lucrative makes the whole argument moot.
Isn’t the whole concept of cup competitions based around the best teams aren’t going to necessarily win it? Plus we didn’t set the incentive of winning the Europa League.
Wigan won the FA Cup in 2012 and they got relegated from the Premier League but got into the Europa League for it. I don’t recall anyone saying ‘Wigan shouldn’t be rewarded by being in Europe they were embarrassing in the Premier League this season. Why couldn’t it have been a Top 8 Premier League team?’
Plus if you don’t set that incentive to win the Europa League, I’d argue we’d go back to the days of where English teams just use it as a secondary competition, and the competition is dominated by Spanish teams who need the money because Real and Barca’s slice of the TV deals is wildly more than everyone else in that league.
Wigan won the FA Cup in 2012 and they got relegated from the Premier League but got into the Europa League for it. I don’t recall anyone saying ‘Wigan shouldn’t be rewarded by being in Europe they were embarrassing in the Premier League this season. Why couldn’t it have been a Top 8 Premier League team?’
Plus if you don’t set that incentive to win the Europa League, I’d argue we’d go back to the days of where English teams just use it as a secondary competition, and the competition is dominated by Spanish teams who need the money because Real and Barca’s slice of the TV deals is wildly more than everyone else in that league.
Europa League winner getting into Champions League is more deserving than clubs who finish 2nd to 5th place.
Eh?
We've had a cup run AND a good run in the CL while remaining basically top half all season. Newcastle and Forest have also been incredibly competitive in two separate competitions this season.
It is not ABU to say Man. United are going to be hammered all summer in the press if you don't win the Europa league and finish bottom six in the prem as looks very likely as Spurs will get exactly the same treatment if it happens to them and that scenario is guaranteed to happen to at least one of you currently.
Man. United and Spurs finishing in bottom six of the league is obviously not normal. Probably the closest in recent times was when Chelsea finished bottom half in 22/23 with Lampard as caretaker manager and they were getting slaughtered daily in the press in that period.
If United win it they should get the tour bus out just to piss off the WUM.
Utd get the best TV ratings of any English team so there's no way UEFA will agree with this. For them the EL spot working as intended.
Probably be 6 English teams in CL next year which is also what they want as the UK tv contract is by far the biggest I think.
Seeing all this p*ss boiling before we've even played the 2nd leg is tremendous. If we do manage to get through the final and win it it's going to make it all the more enjoyable
100% it actually shows you can win a cup. I would argue FA cup and league cup winners deserve champions League more than 5th placed team.
I mean the winners of the EL have been getting automatic qualification to the CL since 2014/15 season. It hasn't been concocted half way the current season to insure Utd or Spurs get through because they're awful league form.
It just smacks of an agenda against Utd in particular, not sure this gets any traction whatsoever if its only Spurs in this position.
If anything the team that finishes 5th in the league should lose there place if all the ABUs are so concerned about 6 English teams in the CL next season. Winning a trophy is a far bigger achievement than finishing 5th. And should be rewarded as such
It just smacks of an agenda against Utd in particular, not sure this gets any traction whatsoever if its only Spurs in this position.
If anything the team that finishes 5th in the league should lose there place if all the ABUs are so concerned about 6 English teams in the CL next season. Winning a trophy is a far bigger achievement than finishing 5th. And should be rewarded as such
If it's such a problem, the other teams should just beat us. I mean, we're completely and utterly shit, so why doesn't the fourth best team in La Liga just beat us over two legs? Shouldn't be a problem.
In the end, if we do get Champions League, I wonder if we're the first team ever to get into Europa League through winning the domestic cup, and then winning the EL to get CL. Poetic stuff.
In the end, if we do get Champions League, I wonder if we're the first team ever to get into Europa League through winning the domestic cup, and then winning the EL to get CL. Poetic stuff.
I think you’re reading far too much into this. Someone above mentioned Frankfurt and Sevilla (I think) winning the Europa whilst finishing bottom half. But I’d imagine 99.9% of English fans or pundits wouldn’t have known that without looking it up - could you honestly name me the Bundesliga mid-table positions now without looking?. So it’s not that they are being ABUs, just ignorant. If one of those pundits is Craig Burley then I’m not surprised, he’s thick as sh@t.
What’s different this time is that it’s two very big English clubs who attract attention, both having horrifically bad seasons- closer to the bottom than to the middle of the table, who are looking like the finalists. It’s the size and fame of the clubs that make this a ‘talking point’. I can’t think of another time that something like this has happened.
It will never happen, but if the FA Cup winners got a CL place it would transform the competition. It would also mean that if a top 6 level team was having an abysmal season they wouldn’t feel like it was ‘season-over’ by Xmas. All the Premiership teams would play their first teams, which in turn would mean bigger crowds and more hype.
But it's not just a "talking point". People are actively saying they shouldn't be in the CL. And yes, I believe Wenger would be aware of the respective positions of Frankfurt or Sevilla the year they won it.
I was too lazy to write it, but I completely agree with you, it’s why I put it in quote marks. It’s the biggest non-story ever, but Utd and Spurs sell papers/ air time.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Arsenal Wenger HAS said before that EL leaders shouldn’t get in to the CL. If he said it when Eintracht Frankfurt won the EL, I very much doubt it would have made the English press.
It's irrelevant if 99.9% of English fans or pundits know that, was the media in Spain and Germany doing the same? I doubt it. Shit-stirrers like Richard keys or talksport ya kind kinda get it, but Wenger shouldn't be coming off with this guff.
And regardless of any of that, like I said it's been this way for a decade - winners go straight in CL the following season. Everyone knows that! So there's no excuses about being ignorant to the situation. That's the rules and it isn't a new thing. So there is no talking point at all, doesn't what the circumstances are regarding our league form. Nor the size of the club.
Winning the Europa League would completely ruin the greatest season in ABU history. It must be miserable hating Man United
I’m definitely going into work with a United top on if we win.Winning the Europa League would completely ruin the greatest season in ABU history. It must be miserable hating Man United
I know I’ll get told it’s outside code but I’ll just quote the “tops must have a collar” bit and shrug.