dinostar77
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True but there are players who were promoted out of u21 into the full squad.He is in the U21 squad.
Just think he is ridiculously over hyped by some on this forum.
True but there are players who were promoted out of u21 into the full squad.He is in the U21 squad.
Because Carsley has experience with them.True but there are players who were promoted out of u21 into the full squad.
Just think he is ridiculously over hyped by some on this forum.
There are more mentions of Wharton in other player threads than his own. I encourage folks to actually watch him more before we accede to the crazy transfer fees being suggested.
Not saying he’s a bad player. Far from it. It does feel like people are idealizing Wharton without actually seeing him play.
That’s how you end up with crazy valuations and unnecessary fan pressure to “make it happen”
Watched that game. He wasn’t even the better CM for Palace and Brentford made the pairing look a bit meh
Agree, massively overhyped
Yeah. He also looks very lightweight on the ball. Seen him blown over a few times already this season.Hooked at halftime. He’ll come good but he’s not the savior the fan base crave right now. Certainly not at the prices suggested.
I feel like people were more took by the concept or idea of Wharton — a young English holding midfield to sit beside our other young English midfielder and “sort out midfield for the next 10 years”. Would’ve never worked.Hooked at halftime. He’ll come good but he’s not the savior the fan base crave right now. Certainly not at the prices suggested.
Well Kobie and mostly Eriksen rolled into town and showed him who's the boss.Hooked at halftime. He’ll come good but he’s not the savior the fan base crave right now. Certainly not at the prices suggested.
Is anyone writing him off? The hype around him on here in the summer was absurd and people were saying some daft things, that people rightfully called out.It’s really strange how eager people are to write off young players; going by what we’ve seen this season, Mainoo isn’t worth any of the praise received last season, either.
At least give these youngsters time to find their feet amidst newfound levels of pressure and attention before declaring anything.
It’s actually a vital component to assess. Adjustment, adaptation and overcoming adversity, so lets see how things unfold before excitedly striking very young talent off.
He's fantastic on the ball, but a liability tackling wise. Not a great game against Forest today. Another one who needs more time.Prefer us to go for Baleba at Brighton who seems to really be coming on leaps and bounds this year.
I think my post was pretty clear in stating why comments about his start to the season, eagerly playing him down, are not particularly sound.Is anyone writing him off? The hype around him on here in the summer was absurd and people were saying some daft things, that people rightfully called out.
He's fantastic on the ball, but a liability tackling wise. Not a great game against Forest today. Another one who needs more time.
Is anyone writing him off? The hype around him on here in the summer was absurd and people were saying some daft things, that people rightfully called out.
As OP states, thread was made because he didn’t have one yet despite being one of the stories of the season.It's just the internet age, unfortunately. I feel people are always so desperate to be the first off the mark to make a thread about a semi-promising player, or be someone who championed them early days, so they can gleefully quote themselves down the line if they turn into a worldie. I'm not necessarily saying it's the case here, but I've noticed it a lot on here in recent years.
As OP states, thread was made because he didn’t have one yet despite being one of the stories of the season.
Turning on young players after a few games, when the pitfalls they face are well known and part and parcel of development for most, will never not be absurd, no matter who is in the firing line. You mention the internet age, whilst seemingly unawares that twitter and its ilk are what has the masses do this, given it’s a very modern phenomenon to not give youngsters and new players to the league the grace periods and dips that used to be accepted as common sense growing pains.
And if he has a massive uptake and swing back to the end of last season’s performance levels? Do those statements get retracted, or which end is perceived as the premature one?As I said, it wasn't necessarily an inference to this particular thread but there is certainly a trend.
In terms of Wharton, bashing him would be silly. But pointing out the early hype was very OTT is fair enough.
And if he has a massive uptake and swing back to the end of last season’s performance levels? Do those statements get retracted, or which end is perceived as the premature one?
That’s my point with regard to youngsters; wild swings in form are par for the course for many of them, the difference is, we don’t often see players as young as Mainoo and Wharton starting in the PL at ages where every high and low is on a global level of scrutiny, but allowances used to be made for that, where nowadays, the exact opposite of what you’re saying happens, where those quick to pan the slumps are absent or silent during the rebound.
I think there’s a reason for over eager put downs, perhaps as much, if not more than in reverse with clamour to be in the early pack proclaiming this or that player looks special.
It’s really strange how eager people are to write off young players; going by what we’ve seen this season, Mainoo isn’t worth any of the praise received last season, either.
At least give these youngsters time to find their feet amidst newfound levels of pressure and attention before declaring anything.
It’s actually a vital component to assess. Adjustment, adaptation and overcoming adversity, so lets see how things unfold before excitedly striking very young talent off.
Interest and eyes on him avalanched after around a 15 game streak; he’s being levelled down on the other side in a third of that amount. That alone would suggest eagerness to me, objectively. 2nd season syndrome is real and as I said in a previous post, he is now smack, bang in the middle of a media and fan spotlight that shines so brightly, negative posts are written after a few games at the start of a new campaign, to go alongside an increase in attention and tactical planning on the pitch.I'm pretty sure I said early on in here that I was struggling to see what some were seeing. So, I stand by that. I feel the OTT hype was a bit much. If someone says he's rubbish, then that's way too much. However, for me, I would want to see a-lot more from him to justify the early hype.
Re Mainoo: I personally saw far more in Mainoo to justify the hype, albeit some of it was obviously OTT.
I’ll hazard a guess that you haven’t read my posts on Mainoo.I feel this is such a typical English football viewpoint on things, Im going to guess its because Mainoo hasnt scored yet? If you actually pay close attention, his playing just as well as he did last season. His ball retention ability is probably the best in the squad.
Interest and eyes on him avalanched after around a 15 game streak; he’s being levelled down on the other side in a third of that amount. That alone would suggest eagerness to me, objectively. 2nd season syndrome is real and as I said in a previous post, he is now smack, bang in the middle of a media and fan spotlight that shines so brightly, negative posts are written after a few games at the start of a new campaign, to go alongside an increase in attention and tactical planning on the pitch.
If those same posts are written after 10-15 games, they might have more merit, or at least be seen as objective assessment.
My overarching point is that young players should be given far more time to find their feet as their trials and tribulations are renowned.
It works both ways as well, people are happy to say he is average after a bad game. The truth is always in the middle and nuanced. That's just boring for most people and are already entrenched.It's just the internet age, unfortunately. I feel people are always so desperate to be the first off the mark to make a thread about a semi-promising player, or be someone who championed them early days, so they can gleefully quote themselves down the line if they turn into a worldie. I'm not necessarily saying it's the case here, but I've noticed it a lot on here in recent years.
It works both ways as well, people are happy to say he is average after a bad game. The truth is always in the middle and nuanced. That's just boring for most people and are already entrenched.
Just as you said, to be right, early.I'm not sure why anyone would care enough about Adam Wharton to become "entrenched" in a particular viewpoint. My point was a broader point about the desperation to proclaim a promising player as the next big after a really small sample size at the top level.
My personal opinion on Wharton is that he has a hell of a lot to do to justify the early hype.
I would say the dearth of players who can play quality passes from deep, promptly and seamlessly is always going to have anyone who shows aptitude for that in an elevated esteem. Just like defenders are being purchased for their abilities first and defending second, or keepers for their technical skill and distribution over their actual keeping, the hope is the raw attributes become polished and elite and the rest of the game falls in line behind that.Just as you said, to be right, early.
Agreed on that, the clamour for him was very odd. People wanted to spend obscene amounts of money on him based on 15 odd games. He does have obvious talent though and I see why people saw him as a good fit, just a little premature.
If anything, this is good? May lower his valuation for us to come in next summer? I feel the same way with Ferguson at Brighton. Just because they may be having bad patch does not negate the immense talent they have.