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Because both him and Dortmund would just laugh at us? And so would the rest of the football wirld?At this point, I don't understand why we don't go all-in on Bellingham.
How do all these top English talents end up at Dortmund?At this point, I don't understand why we don't go all-in on Bellingham.
Why would they laugh at us?Because both him and Dortmund would just laugh at us? And so would the rest of the football wirld?
Because we're sending Rooney to her hotel room to "close the deal."
Because Dortmund are a fantastic club to develop at. Good coaches, the play talented youth without pressuring them, the quality of the team is good and they let them move on without too much effort when the time is right. Its one of the places I would go if I was a sensible young player looking to keep developing.How do all these top English talents end up at Dortmund?
Why would he want to come to Man Utd at the moment? If/when Bellingham comes on the market he's going to have much better options than Man Utd, unless Ten Hag is a magician.At this point, I don't understand why we don't go all-in on Bellingham.
Yeah we never get lucky when signing Dortmund players. Awful relationship with them.Because both him and Dortmund would just laugh at us? And so would the rest of the football wirld?
Bellingham would because next summer he'll have the pick of actual clubs that are run well and have a good team.Why would they laugh at us?
Being desperate isn't the thing that creates the damage. Making bad decisions because of desperation is what creates the damage. We just have to develop a feeling to identify bad decisions and stop making them. But before anything is published about the actual offerings and/or demands, it is a bit pointless.It's our own fault for targeting a player whose agent (in this case his mother) is known for being quite formidable. They were always going to make some pretty hefty demands. Even an easygoing agent would realise we're desperate at this point.
Most of those young talents are products of Chelsea and City's academies where you have to be exceptional to make it. Dortmund is known for fielding sides with a low average-age, they're always in the CL and they play in the Bundesliga, a major European league. All of which are enticing to young players.How do all these top English talents end up at Dortmund?
Positionally he played pretty much 50/50 as a #6 and a #8 during his time at PSG. He has played a lot more as a #8 for Juve, but they play a very different system/style where his role there wouldn't translate directly to how he would be used under Ten Hag.You can try and convince yourself
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It'll be Rabiot +
Recent history doesn't support this argument.Bellingham would because next summer he'll have the pick of actual clubs that are run well and have a good team.
I've said this before i'll say it again why would Bellingham come to us when next year he could go to City, Liverpool, Madrid, Bayern etc etc and win things or alternatively come to us and struggle to get 5th or 6th in the league.
We need to move onto realistic transfers that have significant upside and we need to get it right more times than not like Liverpool did with Salah and Mane and build from there, our DoF/Board/Manager/Fans talking up the likes of Haaland (before City bought him), Tchoumaeni (before Madrid bought him), Bellingham and others is just wishful thinking at the point we are at now, being Manchester United is not going to get us very far as we are not an attractive option for most players in the bracket of those mentioned.
SMS for me really doesn't fit any sort of need. He's an advanced midfielder. His best qualities are receiving the ball in high positions, and then taking shots on or creating goal scoring opportunities. An attacking 8 or just a 10. Like Pogba. Like Eriksen. Like Bruno.Rabiot, De Jong and Morata would be a good window IMO
If we don't get De Jong - SMS
The only thing we can offer is money and here we are at this point now.Recent history doesn't support this argument.
United haven't been a major European force for over a decade, yet, that hasn't prevented us from buying up much of Europe's top talent/highly rated players. The majority of footballers these days follow the money - it's nieve to think otherwise, mate - and United have it in abundance.
Liverpool were in the shadows for three decades but they always managed to sign top players despite that. I also want to point out that they remained one of the richest clubs in Europe throughout those bad times. Do you think those players joined Liverpool because they cared about the history of the club or because Liverpool could afford to both buy and pay them an impressive wage?
Money talks my man. It always will.
Agreed it would be a very good window if it's De Jong and a good window if it's SMS - although I'm unsure whether he's actually good enough.Rabiot, De Jong and Morata would be a good window IMO
If we don't get De Jong - SMS
Yes, why is that weird?Hang on - his mum is his agent?
That's a great summary.Positionally he played pretty much 50/50 as a #6 and a #8 during his time at PSG. He has played a lot more as a #8 for Juve, but they play a very different system/style where his role there wouldn't translate directly to how he would be used under Ten Hag.
You look at his analytics, year after year, and his profile says:
See for yourself:
- little to no goal threat
- unadventurous passing
- Safe and high completion passing (90's percentile)
- Strong defensive stats, very strong pressures, tackles, interceptions, etc (70's, 80's, 90's percentiles)
- Strong ball carrying stats (this kind of fell last season at 60's percentile on average, but prior to last season was very strong, 80's percentile)
- Most of his years he had more touches in deeper positions than in advanced positions (of the 5 seasons on FBRef, only in 2019/20 did he have fewer touches in his defensive third then in the midfield or attacking thirds)
- Decent at not giving the ball away with miscontrols or being dispossessed, a very important attribute for a DM (but vastly improved on Pogba/Fred/McTominay who are all stupidly low ranking in this)
https://fbref.com/en/players/8794e251/scout/11222/Adrien-Rabiot-Scouting-Report
Everything about his analytics profile says he's a defensive minded player. He's not a creator, he's not a ball progressor, but either he's a defensive #8, or just a #6 who can carry the ball well. Either way, fits a pretty obvious hole in our squad, both in terms of what he'd bring defensively, but also his ability to move with the ball and not get dispossessed or miscontrol the ball constantly.
No - I didn't mean it like that. It was an honest question - I didn't know whether he was represented by his mum or not.Yes, why is that weird?
Fathers are players agents too, so why can’t his mum?
I'm with @Chesterlestreet on this. Puts me off massively.Yes, why is that weird?
Fathers are players agents too, so why can’t his mum?
Well, sorry, I read it differently as well.No - I didn't mean it like that. It was an honest question - I didn't know whether he was represented by his mum or not.
How about if he wants to have a close family member as his agent... but his dad had a stroke when he was 12 and has been paralysed ever since?I'm with @Chesterlestreet on this. Puts me off massively.
Dad agents being trouble is 50-50, mum agents is 100-0.
Family in general...not ideal.I'm with @Chesterlestreet on this. Puts me off massively.
Dad agents being trouble is 50-50, mum agents is 100-0.
But then... McFred
Brilliant post. Means, we really need him.Positionally he played pretty much 50/50 as a #6 and a #8 during his time at PSG. He has played a lot more as a #8 for Juve, but they play a very different system/style where his role there wouldn't translate directly to how he would be used under Ten Hag.
You look at his analytics, year after year, and his profile says:
See for yourself:
- little to no goal threat
- unadventurous passing
- Safe and high completion passing (90's percentile)
- Strong defensive stats, very strong pressures, tackles, interceptions, etc (70's, 80's, 90's percentiles)
- Strong ball carrying stats (this kind of fell last season at 60's percentile on average, but prior to last season was very strong, 80's percentile)
- Most of his years he had more touches in deeper positions than in advanced positions (of the 5 seasons on FBRef, only in 2019/20 did he have fewer touches in his defensive third then in the midfield or attacking thirds)
- Decent at not giving the ball away with miscontrols or being dispossessed, a very important attribute for a DM (but vastly improved on Pogba/Fred/McTominay who are all stupidly low ranking in this)
https://fbref.com/en/players/8794e251/scout/11222/Adrien-Rabiot-Scouting-Report
Everything about his analytics profile says he's a defensive minded player. He's not a creator, he's not a ball progressor, but either he's a defensive #8, or just a #6 who can carry the ball well. Either way, fits a pretty obvious hole in our squad, both in terms of what he'd bring defensively, but also his ability to move with the ball and not get dispossessed or miscontrol the ball constantly.
He passed away, not that it helps but.How about if he wants to have a close family member as his agent... but his dad had a stroke when he was 12 and has been paralysed ever since?
So, basically, we upgrade McTominay, give him the primary defensive duty and don't need Fred to be a DM.Positionally he played pretty much 50/50 as a #6 and a #8 during his time at PSG. He has played a lot more as a #8 for Juve, but they play a very different system/style where his role there wouldn't translate directly to how he would be used under Ten Hag.
You look at his analytics, year after year, and his profile says:
See for yourself:
- little to no goal threat
- unadventurous passing
- Safe and high completion passing (90's percentile)
- Strong defensive stats, very strong pressures, tackles, interceptions, etc (70's, 80's, 90's percentiles)
- Strong ball carrying stats (this kind of fell last season at 60's percentile on average, but prior to last season was very strong, 80's percentile)
- Most of his years he had more touches in deeper positions than in advanced positions (of the 5 seasons on FBRef, only in 2019/20 did he have fewer touches in his defensive third then in the midfield or attacking thirds)
- Decent at not giving the ball away with miscontrols or being dispossessed, a very important attribute for a DM (but vastly improved on Pogba/Fred/McTominay who are all stupidly low ranking in this)
https://fbref.com/en/players/8794e251/scout/11222/Adrien-Rabiot-Scouting-Report
Everything about his analytics profile says he's a defensive minded player. He's not a creator, he's not a ball progressor, but either he's a defensive #8, or just a #6 who can carry the ball well. Either way, fits a pretty obvious hole in our squad, both in terms of what he'd bring defensively, but also his ability to move with the ball and not get dispossessed or miscontrol the ball constantly.
Ah, thanks for letting me know. The most I could find was a throwaway line here or there in an article about the stroke and locked-in syndrome. I guess there must be a lot more info in French.He passed away, not that it helps but.
More of a reason to have a regular agent?How about if he wants to have a close family member as his agent... but his dad had a stroke when he was 12 and has been paralysed ever since?
Sounds lovely.So, basically, we upgrade McTominay, give him the primary defensive duty and don't need Fred to be a DM.
That would indeed be an improvement.
Not everyone trusts agents? He seems to be doing fine.More of a reason to have a regular agent?
FDJ for sure will be a great signing but Morata is absolutely dog shit and Rabiot is a mediocre midfielder.Rabiot, De Jong and Morata would be a good window IMO
If we don't get De Jong - SMS