That would be ridiculous - but then again, if a ref is THIS incomptent maybe they have a case? To be fair they'll probably think they'll save more face that way then only having 3 minutes to score a goal.Tunisia wants to replay the whole game.
Tbf you can't just change the referee, tell players to come out and finish the game.That would be ridiculous - but then again, if a ref is THIS incomptent maybe they have a case? To be fair they'll probably think they'll save more face that way then only having 3 minutes to score a goal.
They should have come back out and played 8 minutes or something.
Sounds crazy doesn't it?I feel bad for Mali in all of this, they deserved to win and actually agreed to come out and finish the game, fair play.
But CAF have a mess to sort out.
No the red card was against Mali.Sounds crazy doesn't it?
I've not been following the game, was the dubious red card against Tunisia?
No wonder they've decided the game was corrupt if that happened plus the messing around with added time.
Nah, the red card was against Mali.Sounds crazy doesn't it?
I've not been following the game, was the dubious red card against Tunisia?
No wonder they've decided the game was corrupt if that happened plus the messing around with added time.
No it was actually against Mali.Sounds crazy doesn't it?
I've not been following the game, was the dubious red card against Tunisia?
No wonder they've decided the game was corrupt if that happened plus the messing around with added time.
Can't say I know much of him, but he's been given World Cup games before now, so he must be one of the higher profile African refs as well.@Annihilate Now! @V.O. @the_cliff
Sheesh. Sounds like an absolute clusterfeck of a performance!
Is this Referee a known/experienced ref? first time under the real spotlight?
I can't see them changing the result but the ref might not work again.
Happens in the Netherlands quite a lot.The most shocking thing for me is he went against VAR. I've never seen any ref keep his decision after going to the monitor. For such a harsh red card, I can't believe he didn't change his decision. I only watched the last 20 minutes, but this ref had a complete mare.
Would like to see it happen in England. If it ever has, I've missed it. The ref going to the monitor is completely pointless in England.Happens in the Netherlands quite a lot.
I think it's a general estimation. As to not add on too much.This is probably a dumb question but I’ve never worked out how added time is calculated? Doesn’t the ref just stop his watch whenever there’s a stoppage in play? So - as far as he’s concerned - he blows up at exactly 90 minutes on his watch. Which means the added time on the board is an approximation only, right?
It seems like they just add on 5 minutes if the game is close and either team look like they can score at any moment.This is probably a dumb question but I’ve never worked out how added time is calculated? Doesn’t the ref just stop his watch whenever there’s a stoppage in play? So - as far as he’s concerned - he blows up at exactly 90 minutes on his watch. Which means the added time on the board is an approximation only, right?
The board is a minimum isn’t it? So the game has to get to 94 if 4 is held up? I just assumed the ref goes by the board. Don’t think they stop their watch?This is probably a dumb question but I’ve never worked out how added time is calculated? Doesn’t the ref just stop his watch whenever there’s a stoppage in play? So - as far as he’s concerned - he blows up at exactly 90 minutes on his watch. Which means the added time on the board is an approximation only, right?
As far as i'm aware the ref never stops his watch (so he knows exactly when the 45 minutes is up) - and just makes a mental note of how long the extra stoppages are (injuries/subs/time wasting/VAR) and then adds it on at the end. There's no exact science to it.This is probably a dumb question but I’ve never worked out how added time is calculated? Doesn’t the ref just stop his watch whenever there’s a stoppage in play? So - as far as he’s concerned - he blows up at exactly 90 minutes on his watch. Which means the added time on the board is an approximation only, right?
If anyone uses this as a reason why they shouldn't watch the tournament then good riddanceThe African Cup of Nations was finally getting some love and respect from European broadcasters, and the this happens.
Making a mental note seems like a recipe for disaster. Surely stopping his watch much more accurate? It’s always been the way at grass roots level, so seems weird they’d rely on off the cuff mental maths at elite level.As far as i'm aware the ref never stops his watch (so he knows exactly when the 45 minutes is up) - and just makes a mental note of how long the extra stoppages are (injuries/subs/time wasting/VAR) and then adds it on at the end. There's no exact science to it.
it's happened once apparently.Would like to see it happen in England. If it ever has, I've missed it. The ref going to the monitor is completely pointless in England.
This is what makes the whole thing stranger, he is (was?) one of the top African refs, having coached at world cup level (including under 17s WC, under 20s WC and two matches at the main WC in 2018), plus many AFCON games, notably the final in 2017. In fact he has been ref'ing AFCON matches since at least 2012 so this was very odd from him. I wonder what happened there. Very strange indeed.@Annihilate Now! @V.O. @the_cliff
Sheesh. Sounds like an absolute clusterfeck of a performance!
Is this Referee a known/experienced ref? first time under the real spotlight?
I can't see them changing the result but the ref might not work again.
This is probably a dumb question but I’ve never worked out how added time is calculated? Doesn’t the ref just stop his watch whenever there’s a stoppage in play? So - as far as he’s concerned - he blows up at exactly 90 minutes on his watch. Which means the added time on the board is an approximation only, right?
Back when I used to play, referees used 2 watches. One for 90 minutes and the to add on the extra time between stoppages. They'd then just add that amount on at the end.As far as i'm aware the ref never stops his watch (so he knows exactly when the 45 minutes is up) - and just makes a mental note of how long the extra stoppages are (injuries/subs/time wasting/VAR) and then adds it on at the end. There's no exact science to it.
Very odd. Unless he's just had a very strange day - you'd hate to think of outside interferences making him doubt/change his decisions etc.This is what makes the whole thing stranger, he is (was?) one of the top African refs, having coached at world cup level (including under 17s WC, under 20s WC and two matches at the main WC in 2018), plus many AFCON games, notably the final in 2017. In fact he has been ref'ing AFCON matches since at least 2012 so this was very odd from him. I wonder what happened there. Very strange indeed.
However, it's not a representation of African football or African refereeing in anyway whatsoever, just one really very poor performance by an otherwise normally decent ref. Hope no one makes any extrapolations or generalisations using this random occurence.
If he did that, we'd have around 40 minutes of added time every game. They just eyeball it and have some generic rules of thumbs for subs, I guess.This is probably a dumb question but I’ve never worked out how added time is calculated? Doesn’t the ref just stop his watch whenever there’s a stoppage in play? So - as far as he’s concerned - he blows up at exactly 90 minutes on his watch. Which means the added time on the board is an approximation only, right?
The ref decides the board, not other way round.The board is a minimum isn’t it? So the game has to get to 94 if 4 is held up? I just assumed the ref goes by the board. Don’t think they stop their watch?
If they did that there would be 30-40 minutes of added time every game. And then another 30 minutes to cover for all stoppages in play during the added time.This is probably a dumb question but I’ve never worked out how added time is calculated? Doesn’t the ref just stop his watch whenever there’s a stoppage in play? So - as far as he’s concerned - he blows up at exactly 90 minutes on his watch. Which means the added time on the board is an approximation only, right?
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Well they're always in communication with the 4th official so I think they come up with a rough approximation together (i.e lots of subs, plus injuries, lets add 5 mins) - because lets be honest, it's never really that accurate.Making a mental note seems like a recipe for disaster. Surely stopping his watch much more accurate? It’s always been the way at grass roots level, so seems weird they’d rely on off the cuff mental maths at elite level.
Plus they point at their watch when players are moaning about time-wasting by the opposition (say when a subbed player is walking off slowly). Isn’t that to indicate “Look! My watch is stopped! Quit yer whining!”
Ref's have two watches, but I believe one is a back-up so that they don't lose track of how long is being played? Could be wrong on that thoughBack when I used to play, referees used 2 watches. One for 90 minutes and the to add on the extra time between stoppages. They'd then just add that amount on at the end.
It surely can't be much harder than that?
I don’t mean every time the game stops. Just the big ones. Substitutions. When a goal’s been scored. Plus whatever else people talk about when they’re predicting what will go up on added time board.If they did that there would be 30-40 minutes of added time every game. And then another 30 minutes to cover for all stoppages in play during the added time.
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Just from goal celebrations, substitutions, Injuries and VAR, you wouldn't get added time under 7 - 10 minutes if it was done that way.I don’t mean every time the game stops. Just the big ones. Substitutions. When a goal’s been scored. Plus whatever else people talk about when they’re predicting what will go up on added time board.
Feck it. I’m starting a thread…
Any video about themMessing up the national anthems now