Has that been 100% confirmed? I've just been reading a lot of information on it and there doesn't seem to be a clear explanation. They all say the gun was loaded with a "live" round, but again I don't know if they mean a blank or a real bullet. If it is a real one, then that just seems mental to me.
According to twitter comments she's a politician? How can people elect someone this thick and insensitive, let alone to congress.
according to the largest german yellow press newspaper "BILD", which is usually well informed, she was hit by a bullet, meaning it wasn't a blank
You do remember who was President of said country a year ago right?
Yeah, the last I read on it the Santa Fe County Sheriff said they were still determining what type of projectile was used. Probably find out soon. Tragic, regardless.
Could a projectile ever be fired from a blank? Could gas itself ever be qualified as a projectile? Surely not.
Yeah, at close range they can be dangerous. They sometimes stuff them with wads of paper, plastic, felt, or cotton. If you're far enough away I don't think they really pose any danger, but at close range they can, as evidenced by this case (if indeed it was a blank and not actually a real bullet. Don't know the full details yet)
I know about the harm of the gas itself, but I wasn't aware they'd be stuffing stuff into it. I simply meant that gas itself couldn't be qualified as a projectile.
Reports have it as Baldwin practicing drawing from a holster when it happened, which would indicate a handgun. Might have been a Brandon Lee situation, where a projectile from a dummy round was stuck in the cylinder or barrel, and it was propelled out by a blank charge.
I think the wads of paper, plastic, felt, or cotton are to make the gunshot look more "realistic"
You gotta remember, we’re exceptional.
She’s one of the absolute worst of the alt-right, outwardly racist, redneck, gun-toting Trump era republicans.
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It was certainly the plot to the theatre mission in the 2006 game, Hitman: Blood Money.
I’m not brushing it aside, I’m saying 10s of thousands of movies and TV shows are made each and every year. This is tragic but it’s highly reactionary to say “no more guns with blanks, make it all CGI”. People die boxing, they die playing football, they die doing stunts, they die skiing, they die building things, they die fishing, they die driving and they die flying. It’s not minimising the death to say that 1 person dying every 30 years isn’t a reason to ban stunt fire arms. It’s just modern reactionary nonsense to make that claim.
This.
Zooming would condense the distance between the tip of the gun and the face of the one holding it, if you want that 'looking down the barrel' type shot you'd need to get close.
Literally the first thing that popped into my mind when this story broke. Seemed a little outlandish in the game, but I guess it could actually happen.
Sorry, but I know nothing about guns. Absolutely zero knowledge beyond they go bang. Why do you presume Alec Baldwin is any different?
Just got a timeout on Twitter for calling her an ‘odious cnut.’
Ask Curtis Mayfield how he feels about that statement. Actually, you can't, because he's dead due to some crew member rigging up some equipment wrong.
I don't think it's reactionary nonsense to say "maybe not use deadly weapons to make entertainment?" Alternatives exist, such as non-guns to simulate muzzle flash, or CO2 guns with moving slides for if that's you're worried about the gun looking wrong when fired. Blank guns don't actually have much, if any, recoil, so it's not like you're losing anything, other than some imagined authenticity.
Curtis Mayfield died of complications from diabetes. Besides, you talked about working microphones and correct lighting, not faulty rigging. That's an entirely different issue, and would require a hell of a lot more expertise than checking if a gun you're told is empty is actually empty.
I think the other arguments are daft, to be honest.
Apparently blanks fall under the description of live rounds so it may not have been a real bullet, unless new information has come to light.
He died after years of being paralysed from the neck down due to someone not doing the job they were paid for properly. I suppose he should have gone up in the rafters to check the stage equipment was properly secured, if the opinions in this thread are anything to go by. Becoming paraplegic was his own fault for trusting that the staff had been competent.
Respect that. I deleted my post where I quoted you.
Is your reading comprehension really this bad? Checking if a gun is empty takes a few seconds and requires pressing a button and pulling on a bit. It's immediately obvious, even to a complete idiot, whether or not a gun is empty.
It's your comprehension that's the issue. It's simple. It's not his fecking job to check. Nobody expects him to. Nobody asked him to.Is your reading comprehension really this bad? Checking if a gun is empty takes a few seconds and requires pressing a button and pulling on a bit. It's immediately obvious, even to a complete idiot, whether or not a gun is empty.
This is a Colt Single Action Army, also known as the Peacemaker. It is the definitive Western revolver (maybe only rivaled by the Colt Walker and its derivatives) and is the most common gun in Western movies. The gun used on set was described by various sources as a Colt, so it was most likely this one. Want to know how to check if it's empty? By looking at it from the side like this. This gun is empty. If there were a cartridge in any of the chambers, you'd see the brass protrude at the back of the cylinder. Additionally, you can open the loading gate (the thing right below the hammer) and inspect each chamber individually. All you have to do is open it, pull the hammer back until you hear it click for the second time, and then spin the cylinder.
I've already said that if this (and the equivalent checks for other types of firearms) isn't part of normal procedure, it should be. But apparently expecting someone to look through a gap is like expecting them to do rigging or electrical work, so I guess it can't be done.
You keep saying that it's not the actors job, and I've acknowledged that while it might not be, it definitely should, yet you keep repeating it. Do you think that it's too much to change procedure so that actors are given instructions on how to verify that a cold gun is, in fact, cold?
You've got it wrong. What happened was the the gun was announced as 'cold', meaning there wasn't supposed to be anything in it, it was supposed to be empty. Turns out there was a blank (or possibly a ball round) in the cylinder, meaning that if he had been instructed on how to perform even the most basic check, he would have seen that the gun was potentially hot, and this accident could have been avoided.
I think we both agree that training could be improved and it could prevent these incidents.
Having grown up around guns my whole life, I would have checked the gun anyway… but not everyone grows up in the rural south; and on a movie set, I would imagine that they’d expect firearms experts to tell them the truth.
I don’t know what the loading gate is, I don’t know what the hammer is and wouldn’t fancy counting clicks and spinning cylinders, I’d prefer to leave it to someone who is trained and an expert.Is your reading comprehension really this bad? Checking if a gun is empty takes a few seconds and requires pressing a button and pulling on a bit. It's immediately obvious, even to a complete idiot, whether or not a gun is empty.
This is a Colt Single Action Army, also known as the Peacemaker. It is the definitive Western revolver (maybe only rivaled by the Colt Walker and its derivatives) and is the most common gun in Western movies. The gun used on set was described by various sources as a Colt, so it was most likely this one. Want to know how to check if it's empty? By looking at it from the side like this. This gun is empty. If there were a cartridge in any of the chambers, you'd see the brass protrude at the back of the cylinder. Additionally, you can open the loading gate (the thing right below the hammer) and inspect each chamber individually. All you have to do is open it, pull the hammer back until you hear it click for the second time, and then spin the cylinder.
I've already said that if this (and the equivalent checks for other types of firearms) isn't part of normal procedure, it should be. But apparently expecting someone to look through a gap is like expecting them to do rigging or electrical work, so I guess it can't be done.
No, but you’d be daft to light the pilot light if it had gone out and you smelled gas.
"Live" or "hot" means anything with a primer, with or without charge, "cold" means empty or inert. It could be that the scene called for dummy rounds to be used, in which case it would look loaded, but dummy rounds are commonly made with some way of easily telling them apart from the real deal (apparently the dummy rounds made for this film had pellets inside so that they'd make a very distinct rattling sound if shaken, and they typically don't have primers either.) In that case, simply looking through the gap wouldn't be enough, but if they were instructed on how to check whether the rounds are dummies or blanks, it would still be an easy thing to verify.
It's a terrible accident, and I feel sorry for him.
It'd be easier if it was explained to you in person, with the help of a functioning example.
By that logic, talking about how to prevent it is pointless, since it is highly unlikely that Hollywood firearms experts are going to create an account and view the CE forum.
