looking at how thin our squad is I don't think this will be a worry in a few months time.. he's almost guaranteed to get game timeWill be a shame if he didn't get the minutes and decide to leave.
looking at how thin our squad is I don't think this will be a worry in a few months time.. he's almost guaranteed to get game timeWill be a shame if he didn't get the minutes and decide to leave.
At some point he would have to look at his future at this club. With two very young and talented 80m rated winger well ahead of him, while he is not getting any minutes behind the likes of Rashford and Elanga too, maybe he would want to give it a try elsewhere, as there are already handful of top clubs monitoring his situation.looking at how thin our squad is I don't think this will be a worry in a few months time.. he's almost guaranteed to get game time
I'm sure he's looking at other options, and he should be. The template is quite well established at this point; train at top club, let contract run down and transfer to easier league to get minutes, then transfer back to bigger club. It's a good path-way to develop and it's good financially too.At some point he would have to look at his future at this club. With two very young and talented 80m rated winger well ahead of him, while he is not getting any minutes behind the likes of Rashford and Elanga too, maybe he would want to give it a try elsewhere, as there are already handful of top clubs monitoring his situation.
October 2024:He looked far more ready to play with big boys than Elanga and even Sancho from those 10-15 minutes.
That's because he didn't do anything, really. I'm all for giving these young players chances, but there is no evidence that he is a better option than Elanga, at this point. Actually, Elanga had a couple of decent runs yesterday, and he certainly did as much as Antony and more than Sancho managed in his cameo.I'm not sure what he did that Elanga didn't when he came on to be honest. He's still very raw and will need time.
Sadly it wouldn't be hard. Sancho is poor more often than not sadly.I think in the coming 12-18 months he’s going to end up offering us more than Sancho does.
Sancho’s progress has been very worrying.
Thought Elanga was good last night both going forward and in defensive phases.Why Elanga keeps starting over him is a mystery.
I agree, his end product is lacking though. I think starts ahead of Garnacho for now because he has slightly more experience and had more time during pre season. I think in a few months of more minutes for Garnacho, he will probably edge him.Thought Elanga was good last night both going forward and in defensive phases.
It seems to be a trend. Brandon Williams vibes.What I noticed most was how awful his hair was and how Charlie McNeill looked almost identical to him. Long way to go before the first team I think.
Yes. I think Elanga just lacks that final pass or finish. I mean he could develop this as people seem to forget he’s only young himself. It just seems fashionable to shit him which I don’t particularly like.I agree, his end product is lacking though. I think starts ahead of Garnacho for now because he has slightly more experience and had more time during pre season. I think in a few months of more minutes for Garnacho, he will probably edge him.
Yeah agreed. And there's always this clamour to play them as if they might be a Rashford like explosion onto to the scene, and they get loads of leeway, until they're a year or so in and it's "why is he playing"I feel like I watched a different game than most posters on here. I can't think of any moment yesterday that made me think Garnacho will be a player for us.
There's this RedCafe phenomenon, where our academy players will all be amazing for us and should start games, but when they do they look pretty average. Same story with Garnacho, Garner, Mejbri, Henderson, etc. The only player I can think of, where the academy hype turned out to be true is Greenwood.
He has very high protruding cheekbones, at least. And a Prison Break tattooI'm not sure what he did that Elanga didn't when he came on to be honest. He's still very raw and will need time.
Agreed except even MG was slightly overrated. One of the worst this past decade for me is Januzaj.I feel like I watched a different game than most posters on here. I can't think of any moment yesterday that made me think Garnacho will be a player for us.
There's this RedCafe phenomenon, where our academy players will all be amazing for us and should start games, but when they do they look pretty average. Same story with Garnacho, Garner, Mejbri, Henderson, etc. The only player I can think of, where the academy hype turned out to be true is Greenwood.
He has very high protruding cheekbones, at least. And a Prison Break tattoo
Januzaj was out of desperation to try and make the Moyes tenure have a sliver of positivity. He's still played at a very high level, to be fair to him.Agreed except even MG was slightly overrated. One of the worst this past decade for me is Januzaj.
Yeah wasn't a performance that you would say he deserves to start over others. Looked pretty raw to meI feel like I watched a different game than most posters on here. I can't think of any moment yesterday that made me think Garnacho will be a player for us.
There's this RedCafe phenomenon, where our academy players will all be amazing for us and should start games, but when they do they look pretty average. Same story with Garnacho, Garner, Mejbri, Henderson, etc. The only player I can think of, where the academy hype turned out to be true is Greenwood.
I agree.Januzaj was out of desperation to try and make the Moyes tenure have a sliver of positivity. He's still played at a very high level, to be fair to him.
Dont think its just a RedCafe fans, think loads of clubs overhype youth players as a) Fans lvoe to see players come through the ranks b) People dont appreciate how huge the step up os from youth football to premiership football, especially with all the money in the league now to go out and spend £40m on a player even for mid sized clubs c) A lot of people jump on a band wagon of raving about youngsters having seen them for 10minutesI feel like I watched a different game than most posters on here. I can't think of any moment yesterday that made me think Garnacho will be a player for us.
There's this RedCafe phenomenon, where our academy players will all be amazing for us and should start games, but when they do they look pretty average. Same story with Garnacho, Garner, Mejbri, Henderson, etc. The only player I can think of, where the academy hype turned out to be true is Greenwood.
It’s far too early to tell with Garnacho. Looks the business in youth football, but many do and never make it. Patience will be key. I don’t expect him to show much this season to enable us to make a judgement. People nowadays expect much too much, much too soon from young players. And many get thrown on the scrap heap or overhyped/promoted far too early. Getting a season or two of mens football at a lower level should be the norm. As far as I am concerned, the ability to jump from youth football to the premier league, is a phenomenon reserved for the exceptional few. It shouldn’t be an expected pathway.Dont think its just a RedCafe fans, think loads of clubs overhype youth players as a) Fans lvoe to see players come through the ranks b) People dont appreciate how huge the step up os from youth football to premiership football, especially with all the money in the league now to go out and spend £40m on a player even for mid sized clubs c) A lot of people jump on a band wagon of raving about youngsters having seen them for 10minutes
Think there very few youngsters you see and think "he is going to be a huge player", the Fergie fledglings even took a while to really convince they could be top top players on the whole even doing so well early on.
Only Morrison, Pogba and Greenwood stood out as near certainties for me, been lots of others have looked really talented and had a chance, but no guarantee.
There are a few at the moment Laird, Mainoo, Hannibal and Garnacho I think have a chance of making it, none look like guarantees at the moment though. I think it is a shame some of them (exclude Mainnoo with his age and relative game time) that its a shame they havent got more minutes from the bench or more opportunities of even being on the bench.
As for Garnacho, he looks talented and to have the right attitude and desire, but from the little I have seen of him which is literally about 3 youth games and not the full 90mins......he looks really raw, talk that he should be starting over some players is certainly a little premature...what would be good would to see us wining a game comfortably enough after an hour ti give him mroe time, but we simply arent creating enough bar on the break to be closing games out to give players like him these kinds of opportunties at hte moment, we havent for a few years even
But yes we certainly overhype many. I have never nought into Henderson or Garner for example, or Januzaj as he seemed to have no pace at all, though they could have good careers, yet there have been some I thought had a chance like Perreira and Gomes and they never broke through, they had grat technical ability....again the step up though
Did very well there. Some front foot football although he was 1v1 which our 1st choice wingers rarely see.
I agree, which is pretty obvious as you have responded to my post by saying pretty mucht the exact same thing I said in my post?It’s far too early to tell with Garnacho. Looks the business in youth football, but many do and never make it. Patience will be key. I don’t expect him to show much this season to enable us to make a judgement. People nowadays expect much too much, much too soon from young players. And many get thrown on the scrap heap or overhyped/promoted far too early. Getting a season or two of mens football at a lower level should be the norm. As far as I am concerned, the ability to jump from youth football to the premier league, is a phenomenon reserved for the exceptional few. It shouldn’t be an expected pathway.
In the decades I’ve supported the club, I’ve only seen a handful of players ready to make the jump directly and successfully, in a way that you knew they’d not look out of place from the start. That list is reserved for talents like Giggs, and Greenwood. Even Scholes and Beckham needed a couple of seasons of slow introduction, to make the grade.
What Garnacho has going to him, that helps shorten the curve, is searing pace. Defenders will always be scared of pace to some degree. And even if physically and technically he has a long way to go, in the right situation, he has the ability to stretch the game.
He is destined for groutness, if you ask mePersonally I think he has a higher sealing than Elanga
I agree. I just don’t see it with him as other do. The bar is so low when compared to the likes Elanga that it doesn’t say much.I feel like I watched a different game than most posters on here. I can't think of any moment yesterday that made me think Garnacho will be a player for us.
There's this RedCafe phenomenon, where our academy players will all be amazing for us and should start games, but when they do they look pretty average. Same story with Garnacho, Garner, Mejbri, Henderson, etc. The only player I can think of, where the academy hype turned out to be true is Greenwood.