Hes been way better in the past couple games, good for him.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
A stat that shows how successful a player is at attempting to beat opposition players with the ball is clearly useful.
You're mixing it up with carries, something Garnacho is significantly better at than dribbling (3rd in our squad for carries per 90, 6th for progressive carries per 90).
It's understandable finding a stat unhelpful when you conflate it with something else, but that's an issue with your grasp of nomenclature rather than an issue with the stat.
He doesn't necessarily need the speed or even strength to play a lot better than he is currently. He has fast enough of a first step to get separation to create space. His biggest issue is that he will try to dribble beyond that and try to beat a defender on the second, third, fourth step etc. And as we've seen time and time again, he will very often lose the ball because someone can just lean into him, get him off balance and/or his touch is loose.
He just needs to make better decisions after the first separation to regain his balance and/or keep his head up so he can pass/recycle/pick out other players.
That was a great goal today! Top shelf.
He scored today from dribbling at a defender, cutting inside and shooting. I would consider that a very successful dribble. I really don’t mind if you don’t.
My fear is he’s now used to starting.
Next season with a better 10 (Cunha?) + Bruno + Amad at WB I hope he settles back into bing an impactful a role player without acting out or hampering his developement.
There’s bags of potential there. Making him earn that starting role could be the catalyst for him outgrowing his flaws OR could be the trigger for a petulant Garna (insta stories, media links and dressing room leaks)
Next season with a better 10 (Cunha?) + Bruno + Amad at WB I hope he settles back into bing an impactful a role player without acting out or hampering his developement.
There’s bags of potential there. Making him earn that starting role could be the catalyst for him outgrowing his flaws OR could be the trigger for a petulant Garna (insta stories, media links and dressing room leaks)
You should consider rewatching the goal, as your summary of it is inaccurate.
He scored today by cutting inside, running towards a defender, then passing the ball to Eriksen, receiving it back having run past the defender, and then shooting. At the point he played the pass he'd actually lost control of the ball, so without Eriksen being in the perfect position to poke the ball to it would have been a turnover.
Being able to play a pass after losing control of the ball is a rare skill. We need to hold onto this genius at all costs.
To be fair, given how often he loses control of the ball, if he could consistently play passes afterwards he'd make a fantastic midfield metronome.
You're overanalyzing, infact giving the pass is a good trait he's learning. He did the same to create the Mount goal. In that scenario he'll normally try to go on his own but instead he passed the ball to Mainoo baiting the opposition to press Mainoo, he ran into space and received it. That little scheming bought he the space to carry without getting caught.
It's smart play, understanding his qualities and limits will make him a less frustrating player and more effective one.
A very basic description of what happened is overanalysing? We'll have to agree to disagree there. The pass wasn't a good trait he learned, it was him losing control of the ball that was the only option that remained available to him.
The fact is that Garnacho is really poor at dribbling, his success rate has him in the bottom 20% of the league.
Not everyone needs to be though, if he realizes this and play differently then he can be effective.
Sure that's possible, the discussion you joined was specifically about dribbling though. Plus he's still in the top 10% in the league for highest volume of dribblers, so needs to really cut back.
In order to balance out his poor dribbling he'd need to improve his other attacking abilities; passing, crossing, shooting, he has poor to middling success rates with all of them.
The fact there's many posters here who just wanna get rid of him while he's not even 21 is criminal
We have to see the whole context and analyse whether it would be a good idea to keep him or sell him. If we let's say receive an offer of 60m for Garnacho from a club like Atletico or Napoli, and that could fund a transfer of Gyokeres or Mbeumo, I would sell him. If that club is Chelsea, I would not. I believe he's a player who would flourish in La Liga or Serie A, similar to Antony - but not in the EPL. He clearly has the talent, but his decision making hasn't improved at all in 2 years, he occasionally scores stunners but can't hit the target usually and shows signs of arrogance and sulking character.
He's flourishing fine as a 20 year old for us. Selling him for 60 million would be absolutely daft - that's the standard going rate for most half decent players now.
How can a young player be expected to significantly improve decision making and teamwork in a team that barely has senior players who can do that?
This part. Isn't that a huge reason to favour selling him to Chelsea? Of course have some self respect and advise the player enough for him to make his own grown up decision. But, if you actually believe a player is good but not good enough for our own league, pulling 60m from a close rival for those european spots (Mount-like or Sancho-sale) would just be absolutely perfect.
Have seen great evidence over the past month that we have to keep him. There are probably at most 3-5 players near his age in world football playing at his level today. He's still inconsistent, but he's 20.
The only reason I'd sell him is if he starts doing a Ronaldo and dreaming of Madrid/Barcelona. Otherwise he's clearly working hard, listening to the manager and is a damn fine footballer already, with a potential that is almost literally priceless for us at present.
The only reason I'd sell him is if he starts doing a Ronaldo and dreaming of Madrid/Barcelona. Otherwise he's clearly working hard, listening to the manager and is a damn fine footballer already, with a potential that is almost literally priceless for us at present.
His attitude has been fantastic for the past few months. That's the most important thing for me. He's willing to listen learn and improve it seems.
Why would it be in the interests of a 20 year old to leave because, at worst, he’s third choice winger for a side who will play 50-60 matches next season? If anything, you could very much argue we’ve overplayed the guy.
If Amorim really does want to play with “offensive wingbacks” there would be plenty of option to play Garnacho, Amad, and Cunha (assuming we sign him) together.
The only way he leaves is if we need this pure profit PSR nonsense.
Considering our wingbacks have been non existent -
I reckon Garnacho is going to get a pre season at LWB or RWB.
His cut back crosses are deadly and he does these twice or three times per every game.
I understand people saying he isn't defensively physical enough, but Dorgu, Amass, Dalot have been beaten alot at wingbacks who are considered fullbacks anyway to not give Garnacho even a chance.
His work rate and ability to get up and down the pitch is fantastic.
He also has the ability to naturally play wide but also cut in.
Please please please Amorim make it an experiment for one or two games.
I reckon Garnacho is going to get a pre season at LWB or RWB.
His cut back crosses are deadly and he does these twice or three times per every game.
I understand people saying he isn't defensively physical enough, but Dorgu, Amass, Dalot have been beaten alot at wingbacks who are considered fullbacks anyway to not give Garnacho even a chance.
His work rate and ability to get up and down the pitch is fantastic.
He also has the ability to naturally play wide but also cut in.
Please please please Amorim make it an experiment for one or two games.
I think he has been overplayed this season. Although he has given the impression he’s not the most patient when it comes to squad rotation. So could be a tricky character to manage if we ever end up with some proper competition for places. But that could just be immaturity and he’ll grow out of it.
Something that doesn’t get anywhere near enough praise is his engine, the lad has Bruno levels of energy! and like Bruno the pair never get (I won’t jinx it by saying it)
No I wouldn't sell him to a rival. I like him, so I want him to succeed and I believe he would do it best at a Spanish top club. It would be parting ways in good terms.
His issue is definitely speed and strength. The moment he gets side by side with someone he usually cannot outrun them or push them off him.
He has very little “Explosiveness” which to me is a combo of speed and strength. After this then his decision making is really really bad too.
To play more if Cunha takes his place for a high fee and if Amad stays fit, he is 21 this summer as well. He was left out in favour of Bruno left 10 for a while and wasn't happy, lots of talk how he doesn't fit the system, he's a winger and so on, there were strong links to selling him
He might fancy starting elsewhere and United may need to sell but he's proven to be one of our few threats albeit mostly cup games while the team struggles. I'm more hopeful of him staying and being more appreciated, perhaps Amorim can be more flexible with Amad as RWB, Garna right 10 and so on.
Lots of players move to get more minutes.
People underrate him because they don’t realise/forget he isn’t even 21 yet. That goal and assist yesterday were absolutely top class, he is going to be world class this lad.
Watch us sell him to Chelsea/napoli in the summer.
Watch us sell him to Chelsea/napoli in the summer.
Yes, it doesn’t help that his ball-carrying ability is inconsistent, with sloppy touches. Also, for a player of his size and with a low center of gravity, I expected him to have better balance in his upper body and stronger ball protection.
He is very similar to Rashford where both tend to excel when the ball is placed in front of them to run onto.
100%
And dont think he's far from Mbeumo Cunha level if he's in the right functional team, except for the fact he's got 5 years on them. 5 years of development! he can easily exceed them with his current workrate.
I think Ruben is also a good coach to develop him too. Be it as one of the no10s or occasionally use him as an attacking wingback when the competition for places becomes high again. That can push him too.
It's the same old Garna. Things going his way - he tries. Things are not going his way - he tries more, even if he fails, he tries more until things going his way.
Good news is, he's young enough to learn new things.
Good news is, he's young enough to learn new things.
We have two young gems at the club in him and Amad. We have to keep both and build the team around them, especially when Bruno starts to slow down in his 30s
For me, It feels like things have really been coming together for him in recent weeks. A little more maturity somehow. Long may it continue.
If we do sell him, who's in our squad that offers what he has: able to stretching play and as an attacking outlet? Unless we're taking Antony back. As I'm not sure about Amad fitness.
On paper though, if we get Cunha and competent striker, the thought of having Garna and Amad playing interchangeably on the right side is mouthwatering. In that Arsenal game, imho Garna and Maz played the best game I've seen under Amorim on that right side. Now change Maz with Amad.
----------- Competent Striker---
LWB-----Cunha ------ Garna ------Amad
On paper though, if we get Cunha and competent striker, the thought of having Garna and Amad playing interchangeably on the right side is mouthwatering. In that Arsenal game, imho Garna and Maz played the best game I've seen under Amorim on that right side. Now change Maz with Amad.
----------- Competent Striker---
LWB-----Cunha ------ Garna ------Amad
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His stats are eerily similar to Ronaldo at the same age, he's actually won more trophies for United at this stage of his career too.
The season Ronaldo turned 22 (2006/2007) was the season he really started exploding, hoping Garnacho follows that trajectory. It does feel he's on the cusp of levelling up.
The season Ronaldo turned 22 (2006/2007) was the season he really started exploding, hoping Garnacho follows that trajectory. It does feel he's on the cusp of levelling up.
That's the point. He doesn't need to go side by side with them but he chooses to do it all the time.
Every player can improve immensely with speed and strength but that's not achievable for most players. Garnacho has enough speed/burst of pace to play better than he is if he makes better decisions with his passing and dribbling as I've mentioned.
You don't see Olise or Yamal just running in a straight line time and time again but they also could do with extra speed and strength. Does that mean they have issues too when dribbling?
For a club in our position - selling one of the handful of players who has clear, obvious, genuine talent, seems like a ridiculous idea.
Delap
Cunha - Cherki
Garnacho - Bruno - Wharton - Amad
Heaven - De Ligt - Yoro
Garcia
I'd love to see something like this.Cunha - Cherki
Garnacho - Bruno - Wharton - Amad
Heaven - De Ligt - Yoro
Garcia
Delap
Cunha
Cherki/Masta
Wharton
Garcia/Chevalier
5 transfers.
Allows us to go gung ho attacking if we want but also add in players like Ugarte, Casemiro, Maguire, Dorgu, Dalot, Mazroui, Zirkzee when we need some more physical or defensive support to the side.
I don't think we look that far off from becoming a top 4 team on paper if we get our transfers right.
Selling Garnacho without a chance of him playing wingback is stupid, he deserves a chance in that position because he could turn out deadly.
That’d be like £250m spent and we would have Liam Delap as our first choice striker…