He’s adapting well as a #10, some people weren’t giving him any time here. He’s the one player in our attack that offers pace and his work rate is impressive too.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 56
- Goals
- 11
- Assists
- 10
- Yellow cards
- 5
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
He's learning and he should be kept. He's also beginning to play with his teammates more. In both goals he was involved in the pass to Eriksen and Mainoo wouldn't have happened previously. He would just try to go on his own.
The little pass and move into space is the little intelligent thing to do instead of attempting a dribble.
Those cut backs as well has added another dimension to his game, it's no longer narrow vision going for goal.I find I'm pulling my hair as bit less this days watching him. He's valuable and should be kept.
The little pass and move into space is the little intelligent thing to do instead of attempting a dribble.
Those cut backs as well has added another dimension to his game, it's no longer narrow vision going for goal.I find I'm pulling my hair as bit less this days watching him. He's valuable and should be kept.
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Got in some good positions early on but then seemed a but lost before coming off.
He's a good player, but if we were to get a good offer for him and it funded other incomings then it wouldn't be the end of the world. If not I'm sure he'll learn a.lot more once we have better forward players around him - I just feel sometimes he's a bit like Sterling or something that needs 10 chances to finally score.
He's a good player, but if we were to get a good offer for him and it funded other incomings then it wouldn't be the end of the world. If not I'm sure he'll learn a.lot more once we have better forward players around him - I just feel sometimes he's a bit like Sterling or something that needs 10 chances to finally score.
Just comes off as a “trier” more so than a genuine top talent. Not that it means he’ll never be good or anything, but he doesn’t have that natural ability that makes things look easy like the top ballers do. Everything looks like a struggle
Maybe I'm biased but the whole team was at crumbles until Garnacho and Ugarte came off with the biggest difference maker being Ugarte and not Garnacho.
We couldn't control the game at all with how often we lost the ball or rhythm.
I think Garnacho's decision making has improved 10-15% but he isn't a player that is going to make a defensive splitting pass.
However his ability to make a run in behind the defense is world class and he only really needs to work on his finishing for him to get much more goals to his name.
As a 20 year old, his finishing should be one of the most obvious things that improve over time.
He's very good for his age, he created a very good chance which Dorgu should have left to Bruno. He's always a threat and even though he can be wasteful in front of goal he is part of a group of young players including Amad, Mainoo, Yoro United should keep, they'll be worth it on the long run.
We need a couple of of more experienced players who would help carry the team in the mean time but we shouldn't sacrifice this guy's for that.
He's adjusting, will be good moments and some bad.
We'll need someone like him to be fearless in the final the same way he delivered in the FA Cup final vs City. Whether its starting or coming on from the bench.
We'll need someone like him to be fearless in the final the same way he delivered in the FA Cup final vs City. Whether its starting or coming on from the bench.
He’s played far too much football, not saying that we’ve had much of a choice. I really hope he’s on the bench for the final because he’d be a great option to have to bring on.
All depends on Amad I think. Amorim will probably want one of them as the forward to stretch the play, so Garnacho only plays if Amad plays as wing back.
All depends on Amad I think. Amorim will probably want one of them as the forward to stretch the play, so Garnacho only plays if Amad plays as wing back.
Bit unfortunate for him but guessing he'll be in the bench in the final with Amad starting. Its exactly the situation we want to have though where Amad and Garna are competing for a spot and we have the other to sub on to change a game when needed. Garnacho tends to do well off the bench the few times he hasn't started anyway
He's good at 2 things - working hard, and getting into dangerous positions. Unfortunately he's absolutely rubbish at doing any of the things that come after those, like passing, shooting, dribbling, or crossing.
The fact that so many of our chances fall to him is one of the biggest reasons we're so low down the table, the amount of confidence opposition teams gain (and we lose) every time he misses a sitter is clear to see, it happened against Lyon and would have cost us the tie without Casemiro magic, it happened again tonight and would have cost us without Mount magic.
Stat padding goals and assists against Barnsley and Leicester looks nice on paper, but if Amad had stayed fit and started matches instead of him we'd be much further up the table. If Garnacho starts the final, we'll be a couple of goals down by half time, Spurs will be able to press high knowing that with him as our out ball they'll get the ball back easily, and any chances we do create he'll waste.
The fact that so many of our chances fall to him is one of the biggest reasons we're so low down the table, the amount of confidence opposition teams gain (and we lose) every time he misses a sitter is clear to see, it happened against Lyon and would have cost us the tie without Casemiro magic, it happened again tonight and would have cost us without Mount magic.
Stat padding goals and assists against Barnsley and Leicester looks nice on paper, but if Amad had stayed fit and started matches instead of him we'd be much further up the table. If Garnacho starts the final, we'll be a couple of goals down by half time, Spurs will be able to press high knowing that with him as our out ball they'll get the ball back easily, and any chances we do create he'll waste.
Some days i think we should keep him and then other days i think we should let him go.
I liked his performance tonight but that was another big chance missed. He's had so many of those this season. I get that he's still young (though not that young or inexperienced) but his finishing and decision making is definitely frustrating. Should stay on the bench vs West Ham and then start at Chelsea, he tends to do well vs them I think.
I’m still leaning towards selling him personally. He’s probably done enough since January to maintain interest in him and the money would surely get us one or even two better suited options.
I'm usually very critical of him but I'll give him a pass tonight simply for the amount of football he has played. Otherwise, I'll just be repeating the same thing we all have for the past 18 months.
I like his tenacity.
It is a goid thing that he is getting into good position. I think it's easier to work on finishing than to work on getting into good position. He clearly needs to work on his finishing.
He has played alot of games for a 20 year old,if we were a stable side he would have had less pressure to develop.
It is a goid thing that he is getting into good position. I think it's easier to work on finishing than to work on getting into good position. He clearly needs to work on his finishing.
He has played alot of games for a 20 year old,if we were a stable side he would have had less pressure to develop.
His finishing is so, so poor. Genuinely awful.
It's strange because in his first season I recall his one v one finishing was quite good, but for some reason it's gone worse and worse and now I have ZERO expectation that he'll score if he's through on goal.
His misses against Lyon and Bilbao have taken about 10 years off my life.
It's strange because in his first season I recall his one v one finishing was quite good, but for some reason it's gone worse and worse and now I have ZERO expectation that he'll score if he's through on goal.
His misses against Lyon and Bilbao have taken about 10 years off my life.
I dont think he is or should be a starter for us if we have all players available, Id have Mount, Amad, Zirk and Mainoo before him because we need better ball control in those positions.
And with another transferwindow he might be pushed down even further, so its probably best to sell when we can still get good money for him.
And with another transferwindow he might be pushed down even further, so its probably best to sell when we can still get good money for him.
Unfortunately is doing justice to the "he-misses-too-many-chances"-tag. But we should not forget how young he still is.
I would not necessarily start him but surely would keep
I would not necessarily start him but surely would keep
He would be a great asset for the last 20 minutes if matches.
You worry more of a Hojlund situation than a Garnacho situation. With Garnacho you can see a world where he combines his movement with better finishing.
Stay padding is such a poor argument. A goals a goal, and trying to say we'd be in a better position of someone else was fit is straw man in itself too, as you just don't know.
The fact that so many big chances fall to him is because he makes the right runs, he creates things and makes things happen.
He isn't 'rubbish' at finishing, his decision making has improved throughout the season, he is always involved in near enough every attacking threat we create, without him and Bruno we would be in dire trouble.
Disagree with the bolded bit, first of all, if Spurs play the Ange way, they wouldn't care if it is Amad or Garna, they'll play their highline, press aggressively with numbers, and counter press, if we bypass that, then Garna or Amad will have the space, and if I am honest, I would also prefer if it is Amad, but that does not mean Spurs will change their approach based on who starts for us.
Yeah,that's why i am worried about Hojlund, movement should be instinctive for a striker
Amad will be much more effective against any press though. He is 3 times more press resistant
Agreed, Amad is way better than Amad, my argument was if Spurs play their usual style with Ange, they wouldn't care if it is Amad or Garna, but recently I have read that Ange is slightly playing a more measured way to get results instead of his gung-ho style, but I do not watch Spurs games.
They'll be out to press us, no doubt about that. I've said it on other pages but we really need our most press resistant players on the pitch.
Shaw
Mount
Amad
Bruno
Garnacho will be useful for the last 20 minutes
It's a shame he overthinks it when he has time to finish. When he has to do it instinctively he can pull out some great goals. Could have had at least five more goals this season.
I feel a bit sorry for him. He's had to play way more football than a player at his stage of development should be playing because no one else has been good enough or fit.
He needs a break and less pressure, he's clearly got some great potential but he looks mentally drained to me. In a functioning team he would be coming off the bench and being rested rather than relentlessly started game after game.
At his age amad was on loan at Sunderland in the championship. Not starting for one of the biggest clubs in the world.
He needs a break and less pressure, he's clearly got some great potential but he looks mentally drained to me. In a functioning team he would be coming off the bench and being rested rather than relentlessly started game after game.
At his age amad was on loan at Sunderland in the championship. Not starting for one of the biggest clubs in the world.
Agreed, not just press resistant, but good on the ball especially in the final 3rd, not sure about Mount is press resistant but I like his precense and energy, and I see the below formation working best for us: -
Onana
Yoro Maguire Shaw
Maz Ugarte Cas Dorgu
Amad Bruno
Hojlund
Amad and Bruno can make things happen and Shaw passing from the back to release wingbacks or forward players, second half we can bring in Mount, Garna and Mainoo
The less time he has, the better. Problem is that these chances should be put away. Hopefully he works on that, it can be drilled.
He will get into many chances, making very good runs. Seems like a great player for Amorim's system. just need to capitalize on them.
I'd play Mount ahead of Dorgu and jumble it around a bit. Mount and Amad down the right would kill Spurs.
I was surprised when he came off last night instead of Hojlund. It worked out in the end but I felt like Garnacho was offering something despite his misses
I didn't liked his behavior yesterday when he came off.
If I was Amorim, I would be fuming against him. He missed a stunner where we could have killed the tie (same as Lyon) and is taking 3 years to get out of the pitch and looks disinterested.
But more important for me is his behavior at the end of the game.
He was gutted, in his coat, under his hood, like he's hidding himself showing he's not happy.
You are in an European final where you were poor against Lyon (except the first goal home) and Bilbao and you are crying like a baby thinkg of yourself ?
He deserves to be off this summer as his behavior is not going in the right direction.
If I was Amorim, I would be fuming against him. He missed a stunner where we could have killed the tie (same as Lyon) and is taking 3 years to get out of the pitch and looks disinterested.
But more important for me is his behavior at the end of the game.
He was gutted, in his coat, under his hood, like he's hidding himself showing he's not happy.
You are in an European final where you were poor against Lyon (except the first goal home) and Bilbao and you are crying like a baby thinkg of yourself ?
He deserves to be off this summer as his behavior is not going in the right direction.
I love how the consensus switches between "he's one of the most talented young attackers in Europe" and "we must sell him, he has no talent" from game to game. Reality is something in between and he is clearly very talented but unsure whether he will ever reach top level. If we get a good offer in summer, we should listen.
Garnacho was awful in the first half. But Højlund did okay in the first 45 minutes. He was holding on to the ball, making many good runs and working well. Almost every decision Garnacho made in the first half, ended badly.
He's young so I would give him another season but I do wonder if he'll just end up Lingard level. His movement is excellent like Lingard and he excels at times but he's just lacking in quite a few key areas.
I don't think there's a rush to make conclusions on his ceiling but i do think he'll find himself a sub next season and he might not accept that.
I don't think there's a rush to make conclusions on his ceiling but i do think he'll find himself a sub next season and he might not accept that.
You use the term "straw man", but I don't think it means what you think it means. It would involve me misrepresenting your argument. What you mean is speculation, which is totally incorrect, let's go into why.
Firstly, stat padding isn't a poor argument. Over a third of Garnacho's goal involvements have been against League One Barnsley, or relegated Leicester (who played their second team in Garnacho's best match against them). He does make the right runs, then does very little after having done so. He actually creates very little compared to the rest of the team, and he is absolutely rubbish at finishing - he's 12th in the league for big chances missed, and our worst player for it.
In comparison, Amad is so much better it's mind boggling. For starters, whether we'd be in a better position if Amad was playing instead of Garnacho is simple reasoning - Amad's goal involvement per 90 minutes in the PL is over double Garnacho's. So a fit Amad, being half as effective as usual, would still have led to more goals and assists than Garnacho.
Looking at the underlying stats, Amad is better at everything; passing, crossing, dribbling, creating chances, shooting, and defending. Amad is the player that posters like you seem to imagine Garnacho to be, he's actually dangerous, actually makes things happen, and him being out is a big reason why we're in dire trouble.
I feel like it will eventually click for him. He’s a dangerous player all things considered but that final ball/finishing lets him down - once he gets that right, there’s a player there
He’s only 20 too
He’s only 20 too