[FlawlessVictory88]

Wow, there’s daft posts…. And then there’s this.

Do you think that the analytics which measured Dan James here is incorrect? Or have they made a mistake with Garnacho?

If not then why is it daft since the stats aren't playing favourites?

Here's Lamine Yamal vs Daniel James in that season: https://ibb.co/mrw80G76

Doue vs James: https://ibb.co/7Nrd9r4B

Palmer vs James: https://ibb.co/pjPTw0Y6

Rafinha vs James: https://ibb.co/7dTBT7W9

If you look at how the season of Dan James compares with players I consider to be elite wingers (feel free to disagree and I can make more) and then Garnacho's I'm afraid to say that's it's demonstrably true Garnacho's season has been much closer to James than any elite winger.

 

[Hammondo]

Wow, there’s daft posts…. And then there’s this.

He's not wrong though.

 

[Olecurls99]

6 goals and 2 assists in 2100 minutes of PL football this season. Basically involvement in a goal every 3 games. That's really not good and we need to upgrade if we are to kick on next season. If Garnacho is starting most games we'll be bottom half again.

 

[ron86]

Issue is, he shouldn't be starting, because he's not good enough. Can we afford to buy someone better than him to rotate him with? Would he even be happy with that?

That's exactly where I'm at. He should be a squad option at the moment not a starter, however with our finances the way they are can we afford to not sell him if he would be on the bench and would he actually be happy as 2nd string.

 

[Quagmaguire]

85% non penalty XG
78% non penalty XG & XA
96% Progressive carries
91% Progressive passes received
94% attacking touches in pen
98% Shots total
64% Pass completion

Garnacho is not a generational talent. He doesn't move or dribble around like amad, hazard, yamal & he is not smooth with his attacking ability. That's why people don't think he isn't good enough.

No one is trying to convince anyone that Garnacho is this exceptional player but some fanbase seem to act like he is completely shit at 20 years old.

Calling him bloody Dan James like WTF? Garnacho has been carrying out entire front line for 4 months now. Dan James couldn't do anything like that whilst playing with Martial and Rashford.

If people come in with an offer that matches our valuation of 60 million, let's sell him.

However there's this weird fan base that are currently trying to put his valuation of him down.

When our fans kept their mouth shut, Garnacho's valuation was 60 million.

Ever since Garnacho has been targeted by United fans, his valuation has easily dropped by £15 million. He isn't going for £60 million anymore because these low IQ fans are completely shitting on his ability and believe that they can't be heard because they are behind a computer. That's even when Garnacho's form has quite improved.

Just stop shitting on our players because you are affecting our ability to get good money for them.

 

[Hammondo]

85% non penalty XG
78% non penalty XG & XA
96% Progressive carries
91% Progressive passes received
94% attacking touches in pen
98% Shots total
64% Pass completion

Garnacho is not a generational talent. He doesn't move or dribble around like amad, hazard, yamal & he is not smooth with his attacking ability. That's why people don't think he isn't good enough.

No one is trying to convince anyone that Garnacho is this exceptional player but some fanbase seem to act like he is completely shit at 20 years old.

Calling him bloody Dan James like WTF? Garnacho has been carrying out entire front line for 4 months now. Dan James couldn't do anything like that whilst playing with Martial and Rashford.

If people come in with an offer that matches our valuation of 60 million, let's sell him.

However there's this weird fan base that are currently trying to put his valuation of him down.

When our fans kept their mouth shut, Garnacho's valuation was 60 million.

Ever since Garnacho has been targeted by United fans, his valuation has easily dropped by £15 million. He isn't going for £60 million anymore because these low IQ fans are completely shitting on his ability and believe that they can't be heard because they are behind a computer. That's even when Garnacho's form has quite improved.

Just stop shitting on our players because you are affecting our ability to get good money for them.

https://fbref.com/en/players/7aa8adfe/Alejandro-Garnacho

All this shows is that he runs a lot, and his one talent is getting onto the end of passes.

 

[Quagmaguire]

https://fbref.com/en/players/7aa8adfe/Alejandro-Garnacho

All this shows is that he runs a lot, and his one talent is getting onto the end of passes.

And again you put his valuation down.

Like a virus to this club

You are the reason we are not going to get 60 million for Garnacho now after you opened your mouth or keyboard in the last 4 months.

 

[didz]

6 goals and 2 assists in 2100 minutes of PL football this season. Basically involvement in a goal every 3 games. That's really not good and we need to upgrade if we are to kick on next season. If Garnacho is starting most games we'll be bottom half again.

Martinelli is on 7 and 4 in the same, is 3 years Garnacho's senior, and plays for the 2nd best team in the country. Anthony Gordon is on 6 and 5 in about 2200, is 4 years Garnacho's senior, and Newcastle are doing well. Savinho is on 1 and 8 in about 1750 playing at City under Guardiola and most would say he's been alright too.

It would appear that there are good teams that don't finish in the bottom half of the table even when they're starting wingers that don't score and assist every week. But I'm all for an upgrade, so let's get Elanga back - he's on 6 and 9 in about 2200, better than anyone else we've covered. Is it that simple?

 

[Frank White]

And again you put his valuation down.

Like a virus to this club

You are the reason we are not going to get 60 million for Garnacho now after you opened your mouth or keyboard in the last 4 months.

Your posts are genuinely baffling and you can't actually believe that. Also if you do then surely you've cost the club £15m too because not to long ago you said he has low iq and he's weak, can't have it both ways.

 

[Hammondo]

And again you put his valuation down.

Like a virus to this club

You are the reason we are not going to get 60 million for Garnacho now after you opened your mouth or keyboard in the last 4 months.

How do you come to that conclusion? Do you think anything anyone writes here has any affect?

Just to be clear I don't care if we sell or keep him.

 

[UpWithRivers]

 

[Brand Nubian]

Do you think that the analytics which measured Dan James here is incorrect? Or have they made a mistake with Garnacho?

If not then why is it daft since the stats aren't playing favourites?

Here's Lamine Yamal vs Daniel James in that season: https://ibb.co/mrw80G76

Doue vs James: https://ibb.co/7Nrd9r4B

Palmer vs James: https://ibb.co/pjPTw0Y6

Rafinha vs James: https://ibb.co/7dTBT7W9

If you look at how the season of Dan James compares with players I consider to be elite wingers (feel free to disagree and I can make more) and then Garnacho's I'm afraid to say that's it's demonstrably true Garnacho's season has been much closer to James than any elite winger.

Sorry mate, if you dont see with your naked eye the difference in technique, game inteligence and overall quality between Garnacho and limited one dimensional sprinter Dan James, then no amount of stats will help you prove the (daft) point.

 

[Quagmaguire]

How do you come to that conclusion? Do you think anything anyone writes here has any affect?

Just to be clear I don't care if we sell or keep him.

Definitely.

You think the media is BBC only.

Media is linked directly to the supporters.

You think it was BBC that was targeting and bullying Maguire? Turning Antony to a meme?

Was it even the BBC that booed Zirkzee off at 30mins?

It's this shit supporters that drop the price of these players by portraying them of no value to their club which makes them reduce in value to to other clubs.

You tell me now -

Garnacho had a 60 million offer before from Napoli/Chelsea; this is before he really got targeted by anyone in the media as an average player which we could improve upon.

Ever since then he has become crushed as a player as not that high potential, a player that misses too many high chances, has no dribbling skill, has only ability to dribble with his face down, shoots better at people's faces than on goal.

Garnacho spent about 2 months with his head down on the ground everytime he was subbed off because he felt the pressure of both underperforming and being over analysed.

Do you think Napoli or Chelsea would come back with a 60 million offer at that time when Garnacho has turned to a meme and a target for its own fan base?

Even this forum is a subtype of social media, so is youtube or anything else - our fans can be heard not just to the others but to its own players and is usually why you see dips in mental confidence.

If Napoli was going to target him then they wouldn't come with a 60 million offer to a player that is in no form, no confidence and has no support from its own fanbse.

Luckily for us Garnacho has done better in the last 3 months so his value has not dropped drastically but you still see fans targeting him after every single game talking about how average he is.

Do you remember when PSG came in for Rashford for 80 million or something?

We passed on that. Ever since then we let everyone know that this guy was lazy, selfish, not hard working, egoistic, not that good technically & so many more things out to publicly- what happened ever since then?

We can't even sell to a single club because they know he isn't worth the wage or a transfer fee because of what United fans publically say out loud about our own players. Rashford then leaves on loan and we have no ability to get any decent money for him.

 

[FlawlessVictory88]

Definitely.

You think the media is BBC only.

Media is linked directly to the supporters.

You think it was BBC that was targeting and bullying Maguire? Turning Antony to a meme?

Was it even the BBC that booed Zirkzee off at 30mins?

It's this shit supporters that drop the price of these players by portraying them of no value to their club which makes them reduce in value to to other clubs.

You tell me now -

Garnacho had a 60 million offer before from Napoli/Chelsea; this is before he really got targeted by anyone in the media as an average player which we could improve upon.

Ever since then he has become crushed as a player as not that high potential, a player that misses too many high chances, has no dribbling skill, has only ability to dribble with his face down, shoots better at people's faces than on goal.

Garnacho spent about 2 months with his head down on the ground everytime he was subbed off because he felt the pressure of both underperforming and being over analysed.

Do you think Napoli or Chelsea would come back with a 60 million offer at that time when Garnacho has turned to a meme and a target for its own fan base?

Even this forum is a subtype of social media, so is youtube or anything else - our fans can be heard not just to the others but to its own players and is usually why you see dips in mental confidence.

If Napoli was going to target him then they wouldn't come with a 60 million offer to a player that is in no form, no confidence and has no support from its own fanbse.

Luckily for us Garnacho has done better in the last 3 months so his value has not dropped drastically but you still see fans targeting him after every single game talking about how average he is.

Do you remember when PSG came in for Rashford for 80 million or something?

We passed on that. Ever since then we let everyone know that this guy was lazy, selfish, not hard working, egoistic, not that good technically & so many more things out to publicly- what happened ever since then?

We can't even sell to a single club because they know he isn't worth the wage or a transfer fee because of what United fans publically say out loud about our own players. Rashford then leaves on loan and we have no ability to get any decent money for him.

If your argument is that Garnacho is so useless that we all need to just pipe down about it until we rob Napoli of 60m before they figure it out then I'm all for that. However the other side of this coin is that a very large % of this fanbase is convinced that he's genuinely an elite young talent and that selling him would be a crime/disgrace/going in the wrong direction. Just look at posts throughout this thread.

The Rashford deal didn't fall through because enough people convinced PSG he was useless it fell through because United execs showed up with a wheelbarrow filled with cash and offered it to him after fans/media all convinced them he was elite and can't be sold or it would be a crime.

United supposedly rejecting a 50m-ish offer from Napoli would seem to suggest that they're making the same mistake here as with Rashford and if that's true then the only virus on the club (your words) are the ones beating the drum for him to stay.

 

[Olecurls99]

Martinelli is on 7 and 4 in the same, is 3 years Garnacho's senior, and plays for the 2nd best team in the country. Anthony Gordon is on 6 and 5 in about 2200, is 4 years Garnacho's senior, and Newcastle are doing well. Savinho is on 1 and 8 in about 1750 playing at City under Guardiola and most would say he's been alright too.

It would appear that there are good teams that don't finish in the bottom half of the table even when they're starting wingers that don't score and assist every week. But I'm all for an upgrade, so let's get Elanga back - he's on 6 and 9 in about 2200, better than anyone else we've covered. Is it that simple?

I think if Arsenal are to really challenge than Martinelli is the obvious player to be upgraded because he has been average like Garnacho this season.

Gordon has been and is a bit better than Garnacho but I wouldn't recommend signing him. Savinho the same.

Elanga is flying in a counter attacking team but we're trying to get away from that.

There's a lad at Wolves who's record is almost 3 times better than Garnacho, doesn't require loads of space in behind to create and is available for 60m.

If we sign him we will be much better. Yes, it is that simple.

 

[UpWithRivers]

I think if Arsenal are to really challenge than Martinelli is the obvious player to be upgraded because he has been average like Garnacho this season.

Gordon has been and is a bit better than Garnacho but I wouldn't recommend signing him. Savinho the same.

Elanga is flying in a counter attacking team but we're trying to get away from that.

There's a lad at Wolves who's record is almost 3 times better than Garnacho, doesn't require loads of space in behind to create and is available for 60m.

If we sign him we will be much better. Yes, it is that simple.

Problem is that you are comparing players 3+ years older than him. Palmer wasnt doing sht at 20 and neither do most wingers except Yamal. Compare him to players 20 and under

 

[didz]

I think if Arsenal are to really challenge than Martinelli is the obvious player to be upgraded because he has been average like Garnacho this season.

Gordon has been and is a bit better than Garnacho but I wouldn't recommend signing him. Savinho the same.

Elanga is flying in a counter attacking team but we're trying to get away from that.

There's a lad at Wolves who's record is almost 3 times better than Garnacho, doesn't require loads of space in behind to create and is available for 60m.

If we sign him we will be much better. Yes, it is that simple.

I don't see how anything in your first two paragraphs is relevant. The third is a fair cop for an unnecessary exaggeration. We're back to irrelevant again though. Remember your initial stance:

If Garnacho is starting most games we'll be bottom half again.

Yes, we should upgrade our attack. No, we won't finish in the bottom half because Garnacho got 2000 minutes. But most of all, it's silly to just look at raw totals for goals and assists when assessing whether a player is good enough or not.

 

[Zumbi]

6 goals and 2 assists in 2100 minutes of PL football this season. Basically involvement in a goal every 3 games. That's really not good and we need to upgrade if we are to kick on next season. If Garnacho is starting most games we'll be bottom half again.

And when you consider the positions he regularly finds himself in, it’s even worse.

So many promising attacks and openings have died with him this season, either through poor decision making or poor finishing.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

People still desperate to sell Garnacho, he gives us something different to the rest of the attackers we have, plus he can stay fit unlike most.

If others prove they deserve a place in the first team like Amad & Mount and we do buy Cunha, Garnacho will be a great option of the bench.

 

[Frank Zito]

People still desperate to sell Garnacho, he gives us something different to the rest of the attackers we have.

Actual... shots.

Even if most of them fail.

 

[Frank White]

I don't see how anything in your first two paragraphs is relevant. The third is a fair cop for an unnecessary exaggeration. We're back to irrelevant again though. Remember your initial stance:

Yes, we should upgrade our attack. No, we won't finish in the bottom half because Garnacho got 2000 minutes. But most of all, it's silly to just look at raw totals for goals and assists when assessing whether a player is good enough or not.

That's fair enough but when talking about Garnacho most peoples defence of him is falling back on the 20+ G/A to say he's been good this season when he hasn't.

Saying that he's probably been are best attacker not named Amad or Bruno. In a ideal world he'd be the last of the 3 attackers sold (Hojlund or Zirkzee) but if there's a team out there willing to pay big money (60m+) that would allow us to spend on a starter i personally think we should take it.

 

[Tallis]

In most aspects, he seems to have improved a lot over this season.

However, his finishing seems to have gone backwards. If he was putting away chances at an average conversion rate, his numbers would look impressive.

 

[Zumbi]

85% non penalty XG
78% non penalty XG & XA
96% Progressive carries
91% Progressive passes received
94% attacking touches in pen
98% Shots total
64% Pass completion

Garnacho is not a generational talent. He doesn't move or dribble around like amad, hazard, yamal & he is not smooth with his attacking ability. That's why people don't think he isn't good enough.

No one is trying to convince anyone that Garnacho is this exceptional player but some fanbase seem to act like he is completely shit at 20 years old.

Calling him bloody Dan James like WTF? Garnacho has been carrying out entire front line for 4 months now. Dan James couldn't do anything like that whilst playing with Martial and Rashford.

If people come in with an offer that matches our valuation of 60 million, let's sell him.

However there's this weird fan base that are currently trying to put his valuation of him down.

When our fans kept their mouth shut, Garnacho's valuation was 60 million.

Ever since Garnacho has been targeted by United fans, his valuation has easily dropped by £15 million. He isn't going for £60 million anymore because these low IQ fans are completely shitting on his ability and believe that they can't be heard because they are behind a computer. That's even when Garnacho's form has quite improved.

Just stop shitting on our players because you are affecting our ability to get good money for them.

Is this really coming from the same person that just last page tried claiming “Garnacho is becoming a one of the worlds best at cut back crosses.”

 

[didz]

That's fair enough but when talking about Garnacho most peoples defence of him is falling back on the 20+ G/A to say he's been good this season when he hasn't.

Saying that he's probably been are best attacker not named Amad or Bruno. In a ideal world he'd be the last of the 3 attackers sold (Hojlund or Zirkzee) but if there's a team out there willing to pay big money (60m+) that would allow us to spend on a starter i personally think we should take it.

Glad we agree.

By the way, it's rare to find someone who uses the Kuwaiti Dinar as their default currency when talking about transfer fees.

 

[Teja]

If it's true that Garnacho does all of these things then why do you think it doesn't show up in his stats?

He's bottom 20% for passes into penalty area and crosses into penalty area. Bottom 10% for passes into final 3rd, progressive passes and through balls.

His creative numbers are objectively garbage.


Judging performance based on opponent is a fairly common sense and uncontroversial method of assessing a players ability, or do you think someone scoring 20 premier league goals is the same as scoring 20 in the championship? No ones picking on Garnacho here, these methods are used universally.

You can gladly take away Amad's hattrick vs Southampton and what you'll see is he massively out performs Garnacho is almost every single area. The analytics aren't just measuring goals they measure just about every aspect of the game. Dribbling/through balls/chances created/assists and I could go on and on.

Here's Amad vs Garnacho this season: https://ibb.co/ynv4pKW2

Here's Garnacho this season vs Antony in his only full season with us: https://ibb.co/vxw1Sdbg

Here's Garnacho vs Antony this season: https://ibb.co/tTrsdDcR

It's possible Garnacho could develop into a player that's very good but his current performance level is close to Daniel James when he was here: https://ibb.co/4g0xGfC3

Pretty sketchy stats but I think they do tell a story but one that you're not telling. You can't just throw out a radar and say look, it looks nicer therefore the player is better. You need to tell a story with it.

(1) You're not taking context into account - Garnacho v Antony this season when we have -9 GD and 42G is a bit unfair.
(2) Same with Antony first season v Garnacho this season. We're way shitter this season than Ten Hag's first. Why don't you pick Garnacho 22/23 vs Antony 22/23?
(3) James v Garnacho, Garna this season when we are so shit has like 3x the xG + A so if you think that's "similar" then I don't know what to tell you.
(4) Amad obviously is better / more complete right now but you still see the xG much higher for Garna, carrying higher for Garna, Progressive passes received. That to me tells a story of Garnacho being the out ball for us. He is the one that receives the Bruno hero-ball. Without his pace and intensity, the oppo CBs can just camp in our half and even with Amad we won't be able to do anything about it.

It's clear the creative ability is not there. You just need to watch him for five minutes to know he's not going to do anything other than shoot when he's full flight from the LW with the ball. No matter how obvious the pass, he won't play it. Of course the passing stats show it and you see it in things liie

But to me, it's also clear that the raw tools pace, carrying, shooting are there. The stats do show that pretty clearly.

He is also slowly developing the ability to play between the lines - it's a new skill and he hasn't had to do it so far in his career. A Cunha who started as a forward and generally a bigger frame and will have a lot more practice and an easier time at it. I am confident if we keep him he'll be a very valuable player for us. If we sell him for FFP reasons, fine, but atleast 50-60M+.

 

[Hammondo]

Problem is that you are comparing players 3+ years older than him. Palmer wasnt doing sht at 20 and neither do most wingers except Yamal. Compare him to players 20 and under

That's just an arbitrary line, why not compare similar pl experience?

 

[UpWithRivers]

That's just an arbitrary line, why not compare similar pl experience?

Everything is arbitrary. Why not compare goals against top 5 teams?

 

[Quagmaguire]

Pretty sketchy stats but I think they do tell a story but one that you're not telling. You can't just throw out a radar and say look, it looks nicer therefore the player is better. You need to tell a story with it.

(1) You're not taking context into account - Garnacho v Antony this season when we have -9 GD and 42G is a bit unfair.
(2) Same with Antony first season v Garnacho this season. We're way shitter this season than Ten Hag's first. Why don't you pick Garnacho 22/23 vs Antony
(3) James v Garnacho, Garna this season when we are so shit has like 3x the xG + A so if you think that's "similar" then I don't know what to tell you.
(4) Amad obviously is better / more complete right now but you still see the xG much higher for Garna, carrying higher for Garna, Progressive passes received. That to me tells a story of Garnacho being the out ball for us. He is the one that receives the Bruno hero-ball. Without his pace and intensity, the oppo CBs can just camp in our half and even with Amad we won't be able to do anything about it.

It's clear the creative ability is not there. You just need to watch him for five minutes to know he's not going to do anything other than shoot when he's full flight from the LW with the ball. No matter how obvious the pass, he won't play it. Of course the passing stats show it and you see it in things liie

But to me, it's also clear that the raw tools pace, carrying, shooting are there. The stats do show that pretty clearly.

He is also slowly developing the ability to play between the lines - it's a new skill and he hasn't had to do it so far in his career. A Cunha who started as a forward and generally a bigger frame and will have a lot more practice and an easier time at it. I am confident if we keep him he'll be a very valuable player for us. If we sell him for FFP reasons, fine, but atleast 50-60M+.

Thank god there people like you that can analyse a situation.

No one is saying Garnacho shouldn't be sold because we believe he has the potential to be someone like Cherki, Saka or Yamal.

However on the same side there's people who are saying his potential is not high at all & at the level of bloody Daniel James

Nearly everyone who rates Garnacho can probably accept the fact that if we received a 60 mil offer for him we should take it.

However, there's this group of fans @Zumbi @Valencia Shin Crosses @The Hilton

That talk like we should take whatever we can for Garnacho and run because his ceiling is very low, overrated and it will help with our PSR.

Whether it's PSR or not, 50-60 million for Garnacho; a player who has shown promises is a reasonable valuation and if someone offers us that then INEOS can make the decision & alot of our fan base would accept it.

Genuinely though there's this group of fanbase that would take half of his 60 million valuation and sell him for 30 which I really don't see why.

If PSR was the sole reason anyway then Mainoo looks worse than Garnacho anyway especially for Amorim system & I'd still like to have both.

 

[imonkmc]

He is inconsistent but that's expected, he is tenacious and works really hard. Good pace and abit of trickery. These all the qualities one should look into a young developing player. good goal contribution compared to previous years. No need to sell

 

[Hammondo]

Everything is arbitrary. Why not compare goals against top 5 teams?

True, but 20 and under is a particularly bad comparison.

It means at worse he's years older than everyone you compare him to, and at best he's the same age. On top of the fact he would be probably the most experienced player in that age range in a top flight league, it's particularly bad.

 

[The Hilton]

So in which case my stats are correct.
But that's fine, am sure you'll disregard them to suit your own agenda, because goal against Barnsley or Leicester don't count...

They are correct, they're just obviously misleading. Amad has provided more goals and assists against Premier League opposition in much less time. He provides twice as many over 90 minutes. As well as performing better in almost every statistical measure.

It shouldn't be controversial that Premier League opposition is who we want to measure our players against, rather than lower leagues and reserve teams.

 

[UpWithRivers]

True, but 20 and under is a particularly bad comparison.

It means at worse he's years older than everyone you compare him to, and at best he's the same age. On top of the fact he would be probably the most experienced player in that age range in a top flight league, it's particularly bad.

Which is why judging a 20 year old is really hard. He might turn out to be a Palmer who was sht at that age or turn out to be Gordon level or worse. Who the fk knows

 

[The Hilton]

Thank god there people like you that can analyse a situation.

No one is saying Garnacho shouldn't be sold because we believe he has the potential to be someone like Cherki, Saka or Yamal.

However on the same side there's people who are saying his potential is not high at all & at the level of bloody Daniel James

Nearly everyone who rates Garnacho can probably accept the fact that if we received a 60 mil offer for him we should take it.

However, there's this group of fans @Zumbi @Valencia Shin Crosses @The Hilton

That talk like we should take whatever we can for Garnacho and run because his ceiling is very low, overrated and it will help with our PSR.

Whether it's PSR or not, 50-60 million for Garnacho; a player who has shown promises is a reasonable valuation and if someone offers us that then INEOS can make the decision & alot of our fan base would accept it.

Genuinely though there's this group of fanbase that would take half of his 60 million valuation and sell him for 30 which I really don't see why.

If PSR was the sole reason anyway then Mainoo looks worse than Garnacho anyway especially for Amorim system & I'd still like to have both.

You realise you're quoting a post that states how bad Garnacho is at creating? Just odd that you agree with it given you called him the best in the world at it!

I don't think we'll be getting near £60m for him, if someone offers that we should bite their hand off at it. I expect we'll get offers that reflect how limited he is, he's neither physically or technically up to PL football, so we'll be reliant on clubs abroad who don't have the same kind of money.

 

[Apokalips]

Actual... shots.

Even if most of them fail.

Exactly, Garnacho can work on his decision making and his finishing but he has the level of goal threat that makes him dangerous. He should be a rotation option and nurtured, as most 20 year olds should be but at least he contributes to the attack. I'd much rather have a player who gets in on goal and misses chances than one who falls over constantly and fails to even register shots - who is more likely to win us a game? It's not the one who never shoots that's for sure!

We need to sign at least one 10 and a striker (ideally I'd sign another forward that can play up top and behind also on top of those) and let Garnacho develop without needing to play every game and without the pressure of being one of our only sources of danger.

 

[Zumbi]

Thank god there people like you that can analyse a situation.

No one is saying Garnacho shouldn't be sold because we believe he has the potential to be someone like Cherki, Saka or Yamal.

However on the same side there's people who are saying his potential is not high at all & at the level of bloody Daniel James

Nearly everyone who rates Garnacho can probably accept the fact that if we received a 60 mil offer for him we should take it.

However, there's this group of fans @Zumbi @Valencia Shin Crosses @The Hilton

That talk like we should take whatever we can for Garnacho and run because his ceiling is very low, overrated and it will help with our PSR.

Whether it's PSR or not, 50-60 million for Garnacho; a player who has shown promises is a reasonable valuation and if someone offers us that then INEOS can make the decision & alot of our fan base would accept it.

Genuinely though there's this group of fanbase that would take half of his 60 million valuation and sell him for 30 which I really don't see why.

If PSR was the sole reason anyway then Mainoo looks worse than Garnacho anyway especially for Amorim system & I'd still like to have both.

If you’re going to make such a claim then you need to back that up.

When have I ever said we should take whatever we can, or sell him for 30 million?

And you’re deflecting from my previous reply to you. I took issue with you claiming he’s one of the best in the world at cut back crosses, because he’s very obviously nowhere near that. The eye test and the stats show that.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

he's neither physically or technically up to PL football, so we'll be reliant on clubs abroad who don't have the same kind of money.

This place man, he’s 20.

What was Amad doing at 20?

 

[Hammondo]

This place man, he’s 20.

What was Amad doing at 20?

This age thing is getting old, not everyone progresses much past 20. It's not some explosion of performance the vast majority of the time, it's an improved version of what is. None technical players won't become technical players, and dumb players rarely become smart.

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

I like the idea that the red cafe player performance forum is knocking tens of millions off the value of United players!

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

This age thing is getting old, not everyone progresses much past 20.

No, but very very few players are anywhere close to their peak at 20.

The vast majority of footballers improve substantially between 20-25.

 

[stepic]

There’s a lot to like about him, it really all comes down to the finishing for me. You just can never trust he’ll have the composure to put it away. It’s like he’s always over thinking it. I hope that can be trained into him if he stays.