[Ish]

Oh, of course, you don’t keep a young player who’s clearly improving and might become one of the best wingers around. You sell him, because hey, there’s no trophy for developing talent.

I honestly couldn't care less how old he is. We don't get a trophy for playing youngsters.

I find myself torn between both of your views. We tend to put so much stock and faith into youth development at United and give them way more time then at most other big clubs and we end up overrating them. But it's also part of our ethos - developing youth.

But now the game's also moved on a bit, especially where PSR is concerned where we're unable to spend without raising cash from sales and we might need to be a little ruthless. Our attacks been shocking this past year or so - and Garnacho's been a big part of it. He should ideally be a rotation player but because of Rashford, Sancho and Antony all being loaned out, we've been dependent on him, to the point he is unlikely himself, to accept a squad position.

We've also appointed a manager where he has no guaranteed role, and a formation which isn't a natural fit to him. Damn, it's depressing me just typing this shite out. How did we get here? I'm out. Sorry for adding my 10 cents....I find myself 'on the fence'/torn on so many things at United currently.

 

[miked99]

All I've read on here for weeks is post after post complaining that he always starts and how he's miles better off the bench. Then he gets benched and everyone's outraged about the fact he didn't start. It's easy to be right all of the time when you revise your opinions with the benefit of hindsight.

I like Garnacho but he's struggled for long periods of this season, and wouldn't have started anywhere near as much had we better options. I like him as a player and I hope he stays, although I'm a lot less arsed after that interview. The teams just lost a European final and your first thought is to go bitching and undermining the manager to the media? feck right off with that self-serving shit.

 

[Ish]

Any quotes from Amorim on Garnacho? I see people saying it was harsh or out of order, I missed that, so please point me out what was said.

Something along the lines of Garnacho who missed an easy chance in the first half against Bilbao.

Ruben Amorim on whether he should have started Alejandro Garnacho over Mason Mount: "It's easy to say that now. Who missed the big opportunity in the first half in the semi-final? Garnacho. Football is like that."

 

[RedSky]

20+ goals/assists while playing in in a disaster team, 3 different managers and a charity winner as the CF all season for a 20 year old.

Yes, he shouldn't be an automatic starter. He's 20 and has big potential but he should be seen as like the 2nd/3rd winger in the group where he starts sometimes, is an impact sub sometimes, but is fighting for his spot while there an experienced, top winger on the other side who is actually the key player and showing them how it's done. That's how you develop talent. We just relied on him the second he came in because we've had garbage attackers for years.

Oh for sure, we put far too much pressure on our young lads due to our shocking transfer policy under ETH. Don't disagree with that, I just question his talent and certainly his attitude. He doesn't seem happy to be a bench player but he's not cut out (right now/ever) to be a first choice player either. Some people make out he's this top tier Ronaldo like talent and we'd be absolutely nuts to get rid of him. I just don't see that in his game to game play at all. If we got a 50m offer for him from a club abroad then i'd sell. I'm not overly wedded to any of the players in our squad though.

 

[Kostov]

Hes a starting 10 and is poor. He should be sold.
Hojlund is a starting striker and is poor. He should be sold.

Bruno is the only player with credit in the bank for output. We need to replace Garnacho, get another 10 and get a striker.

Not exactly, he is no number 10 and neither he is being played like one, he is also much much younger than someone like Bruno who has "credit" in the bank, but Garnacho supposedly should be sold without any doubt because Amorim says so?

 

[VP89]

Not exactly, he is no number 10 and neither he is being played like one, he is also much much younger than someone like Bruno who has "credit" in the bank, but Garnacho supposedly should be sold without any doubt because Amorim says so?

He's not that good. A lot of running with no end product, I don't care about his age. I care about his sale value and what we can get for it. Getting him out and Mbuemo in for example, for a small difference, is an absolute no brainier and a big upgrade.

 

[Lash]

20+ goals/assists while playing in in a disaster team, 3 different managers and a charity winner as the CF all season for a 20 year old.

Yes, he shouldn't be an automatic starter. He's 20 and has big potential but he should be seen as like the 2nd/3rd winger in the group where he starts sometimes, is an impact sub sometimes, but is fighting for his spot while there an experienced, top winger on the other side who is actually the key player and showing them how it's done. That's how you develop talent. We just relied on him the second he came in because we've had garbage attackers for years.

He is part of the disaster team, he doesn't just get a free pass because Hojlund is shit and he's 20. He's also been poor.

There is not a chance he sees himself as that though, because we've made him a starter and relied on him for so long. Not a chance his ego takes going back to being 2nd/3rd choice.

 

[Trex]

He's not that good. A lot of running with no end product, I don't care about his age. I care about his sale value and what we can get for it. Getting him out and Mbuemo in for example, for a small difference, is an absolute no brainier and a big upgrade.

We won't be buying more than Cunha, we're not in Europe next season so less games means smaller squad.

 

[VP89]

We won't be buying more than Cunha, we're not in Europe next season so less games means smaller squad.

Goes against some credible reports, strongly doubt it. Besides the move I just suggested is a 1 for 1 substitute.

 

[izec]

He will be off in the summer anyway, so not sure he is worth all the discussion.

 

[Kostov]

What's that got to do with the price of fish? I'm discussing his performances. A first team united RW/10/Attacker, whatever you want to call them cannot be getting 6 goals in a season and think he deserves to start. He regularly doesn't pass to his team mates, in decen positions and shoots instead. This is a bit like my opinion on Amad previously, he needs to be in the side on merit, not because the other options are shit. That's a sure fire way of keeping him at the standard he's currently at, which isn't good enough.

And who based on their performances should stay? You have a team of Manchester United that scored 42 goals this season, let me write it again, 42 goals in 37 matches. Garnacho has played an average of 60 minutes per game, 37 games. Our captain fantastic who has played by their minutes 8 matches more, has scored 8 goals, and supposedly he is in his prime. Garnacho is 20 years old, calm down. You play on merit compared to who is in an option. The kid has every right to feel let down by Amorim.

 

[Kostov]

Chronically fecks up chances and loves to overdribble into no where. Nah thanks I'd rather punt on Mount even if he didn't materialise in the first half.

Chronically injured sub par no defined position midfielder or a 20 year old talented kid who yeah sometimes overdribbles and fecks up chances?

I bet you thought 60m pounds for Mount was a great deal 2 years ago, so no problems sometimes we get what we deserve don't we?

 

[VP89]

Chronically injured sub par no defined position midfielder or a 20 year old talented kid who yeah sometimes overdribbles and fecks up chances?

I bet you thought 60m pounds for Mount was a great deal 2 years ago, so no problems sometimes we get what we deserve don't we?

In a final where Mount is fit and played a blinder vs Bilbao, the same fixture Garnacho stunk the place up and missed big chances for the nth time? Yeah I don't mind playing Mount there.

Also an argument that Garna would have been better off the bench. I think he should have come on earlier but he's incredibly wasteful and didn't cover himself in glory. He's played as many games as he has because others were injured more than anything else.

 

[Trex]

Goes against some credible reports, strongly doubt it. Besides the move I just suggested is a 1 for 1 substitute.

You think we'll maintain the squad size we currently have at the moment. We started this season with two senior players in each position, more at center back. I don't see it happening under INEOS 25+ senior players for most likely around 50 games.
I think Cunha replaces Garnacho now and there will be no Rashford and Antony replacement. Mostly likely Hojlund is replaced with Delap and that will be it for attack in my humble opinion.

 

[Teja]

Oh for sure, we put far too much pressure on our young lads due to our shocking transfer policy under ETH. Don't disagree with that, I just question his talent and certainly his attitude. He doesn't seem happy to be a bench player but he's not cut out (right now/ever) to be a first choice player either. Some people make out he's this top tier Ronaldo like talent and we'd be absolutely nuts to get rid of him. I just don't see that in his game to game play at all. If we got a 50m offer for him from a club abroad then i'd sell. I'm not overly wedded to any of the players in our squad though.

Yep I think most people agree with this. Good player, pretty good potential, will do well if he leaves but we should also take the offer if a 60M EUR+ offer arrives. Every player has a price and if Diaz is 80M, Garnacho is atleast 60M

 

[Kostov]

In a final where Mount is fit and played a blinder vs Bilbao, the same fixture Garnacho stunk the place up and missed big chances for the nth time? Yeah I don't mind playing Mount there.

Also an argument that Garna would have been better off the bench. I think he should have come on earlier but he's incredibly wasteful and didn't cover himself in glory. He's played as many games as he has because others were injured more than anything else.

Mount played a good game in a won tie and then continued to be absolutely shit in the PL, he didn't deserve to play in the final based on his performances. We have a team that struggles to score goals, Amorim chose to sit out one of our better attackers in Garnacho.

He's not that good. A lot of running with no end product, I don't care about his age. I care about his sale value and what we can get for it. Getting him out and Mbuemo in for example, for a small difference, is an absolute no brainier and a big upgrade.

Based on what we have seen this season, apart from Yoro and Amad, nobody is good enough. Everything else is a matter of planning.

 

[TRUE NUMBER 9]

He does have talent. However, despite the experience he has had (ca 120 appearances across the PL, CL & EL), he is still VERY far from being a genuine difference maker.

Often, he seems more interested in developing his latest hairstyle than developing his final ball.

His post re: played all of the games in the EL, well, yes, he did...and scored one goal in 15 games.

If it was a different time, with United in a stronger position both squad wise and financially, then he could be given the time to develop - personally, I do not see him ever becoming a great player. The current needs of the first team squad and financial position leaves only one possible option. Sell him.

 

[VP89]

You think we'll maintain the squad size we currently have at the moment. We started this season with two senior players in each position, more at center back. I don't see it happening under INEOS 25+ senior players for most likely around 50 games.
I think Cunha replaces Garnacho now and there will be no Rashford and Antony replacement. Mostly likely Hojlund is replaced with Delap and that will be it for attack in my humble opinion.

No, I think we can Sell Garnacho and buy a quality 10 and downsize the squad too. Eriksen Lindelof will be gone, Evans will be gone etc etc.

 

[mctrials23]

Garnacho, like so many of our players, looks much better when he comes on as a sub. Hes against tired legs and the pace of the game has usually slowed. This is why we keep flip flopping between players who come on and change games and then shockingly do nothing the next game when they start. Garnacho is a prime example of this.

 

[VP89]

Mount played a good game in a won tie and then continued to be absolutely shit in the PL, he didn't deserve to play in the final based on his performances. We have a team that struggles to score goals, Amorim chose to sit out one of our better attackers in Garnacho.

Based on what we have seen this season, apart from Yoro and Amad, nobody is good enough. Everything else is a matter of planning.

Garnacho wasnt very good either.
And yes everyone is essentially sellable.

 

[Frank White]

Mount played a good game in a won tie and then continued to be absolutely shit in the PL, he didn't deserve to play in the final based on his performances. We have a team that struggles to score goals, Amorim chose to sit out one of our better attackers in Garnacho.

Based on what we have seen this season, apart from Yoro and Amad, nobody is good enough. Everything else is a matter of planning.

Genuine question did Garnacho do anything to justify his position going off of league form? Literally blacked out the West Ham and Chelsea game from my memory.

 

[kouroux]

I get what you meant, I just don't agree subbing him in earlier would have made any difference. Porro had him on toast.

I guess we'll never know. Might as well as never make subs by this logic

 

[DJ_21]

that tends to be the case when a player is 20

Cunha at 20 had 5 goals in 30 appearances in Bundesliga

But you have players like Yamal who are ripping it up with like 9 goals and 13 assist at 17

 

[bgoodall]

Garnacho, like so many of our players, looks much better when he comes on as a sub. Hes against tired legs and the pace of the game has usually slowed. This is why we keep flip flopping between players who come on and change games and then shockingly do nothing the next game when they start. Garnacho is a prime example of this.

Spelled Mount wrong. He’s the sub that looks good for 30 minutes in games already won and than looks horrible for 90 minutes the next. But hey at least we get to pay him 250k a week to be shit.

 

[mctrials23]

Spelled Mount wrong. He’s the sub that looks good for 30 minutes in games already won and than looks horrible for 90 minutes the next. But hey at least we get to pay him 250k a week to be shit.

Like I said "like so many of our players" but this is the Garnacho thread so...

 

[Dans]

Adios. Por favor.

 

[Martinez4midfield]

Not a big fan of his but he's not wrong here. To get replaced in the starting 11 because Mount scored a couple goals a week ago after being missing the entire season and you were the guy? Bullshit.

That said he's not good enough to be in the starting 11 and needs to be improved upon, this is a glimpse of what is attitude is going to be like. Some pair of balls for 20yr old that has done the square root of feck all in his career thus far.

 

[justsomebloke]

Norwegian media quoted an interview with argentinian ESPN where he's bitching about not being a starter yesterday.

If he thinks he's earned that, he can pack his bags and leave as far as I'm concerned.

 

[United Hobbit]

His brother is a right stirring little shit, someone needs to be advising the pair of them about keeping their mouths shut

If the rumours of selling him to raise funds during the last transfer window were true, this is only going to add fuel to that desire, and the club will be able to hide behind "cultural reset" and "getting players with the right mindset"

He should definitely have been bought on earlier however

 

[L1nk]

I feel like people in this thread need to be reminded about Park ji-sung, the man who didn't even get into the squad for the Champions League final, a man who contributed to us getting to said Champions League final, and a man who had contributed far more to our club at the time than Garnacho has. Sir Alex later admitted it was a mistake, just as Amorim may yet say about leaving Garnacho out mostly for this final. But did Park bitch and whine about it? Or did he act like a professional, get his head down, and contribute next season to us getting to another Champions League final, which he played in?

I can't believe people here are actually supporting this egotistical player acting like we owe him something, this is part of the problem with the club and has been for a long time, Player FC nonsense needing to stop is a part of the processs of change this club needs. Him and his brother need to leave. People want to see the back of the manager for this guy? Unbelievable times we are living in, Ronaldo he is not.

 

[mav_9me]

I will be very surprised if he doesn't end up being one of the best attackers. I see a ton of potential. Whether it's with us or not.

 

[redDNA]

People judge him harshly, he is a victim of his own success, having played a lot of games for an attcker his age.

He's rough around the edges, he is relentless and brave he gets into good,he needs good coaching to improve his decision making and reduce his selfishness .


I hope we dont sale him to accommodate the 'system ' of a more charismatic Derby County's Paul Jewel,who won't be here at the end of next season.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

I will be very surprised if he doesn't end up being one of the best attackers. I see a ton of potential. Whether it's with us or not.

but where exactly is this potential coming from? Dribbling he constantly loses the ball, strengthwise he constantly gets shrugged off. If he is in space he is moderately quick, but dont really see him beating people and leaving them in the dust. Decision making is incredibly subpar, passing comes late-if at all. Shooting he can make some great shots, but then will miss the net/smash it into the defender the other 9 times out of 10. To top it off he/his brother truly believes himself to be ronaldo level at this stage, at least based off what i have seen/heard.

 

[The Hilton]

I guess we'll never know. Might as well as never make subs by this logic

We have a pretty good idea, it's likely to be the same as what happened when he did come on; Porro having an easy time preventing him from getting past, totally ineffective, maybe another really low percentage shot instead of passing to better placed team mates.

Your ability to follow logic needs some work too, that isn't where my logic leads at all.

 

[BorisManUtd]

I can understand his frustration and anger but he's not automatic starter. He's missed tons of big chances this season and his decision making is questionable which is understandable as he's still a young player but it's still a flaw.

Does feel like he'll be gone in summer. One of the players we can actually sell for decent fee.

 

[RuudTom83]

Players and managers get interviewed every 5 minutes nowadays.

He was disappointed not to play more in the final and the line about seeing after summer...every player gives that answer.

But I get it! everything needs to be a drama and with Antony/Rashford/Sancho out of the picture Garnacho is the most likely target.

 

[Ekeke]

He should have started the final. Counting on Mount is insane at this point. Garnacho is the player we can usually count on to get a shot on target and low and behold he has our only shot that keeps the goalkeeper honest. Our other shots were all central and would have been howlers if they went in, Hojlund's header cleared off the line is the same thing. Its central and the defender should clear it having positioned himself there. Garnacho's shot is the only one going towards one of the corners and the keeper dealt with it decently. Could have been a parry straight to our player for a goal

If we sell him at least Cunha is a player who will also get shots on target and will also take a player on. He averages 1.5 shots on target per 90 with Garnacho 1.2

So we can sell him and have a better replacement, but we still need more than just the starters and he's better than keeping Mount or playing Mainoo as a 10.

 

[kouroux]

We have a pretty good idea, it's likely to be the same as what happened when he did come on; Porro having an easy time preventing him from getting past, totally ineffective, maybe another really low percentage shot instead of passing to better placed team mates.

Your ability to follow logic needs some work too, that isn't where my logic leads at all.

You need to learn how to detect sarcasm. I was obviously taking the piss

What I do now is that Garnacho did more than Mount and even if it's high risk/low reward with him, it's better than Mount who was completely harmless.

Garnacho at least, had a decent shot on target as soon as being introduced.

 

[jem]

Oh, of course, you don’t keep a young player who’s clearly improving and might become one of the best wingers around. You sell him, because hey, there’s no trophy for developing talent.

Don’t really see the clear improvement. Regression if anything.

 

[Woodzy]

Nothing wrong with what Amorim said. He’s essentially saying there’s no point looking back on the decision with hindsight.

Garnacho had a bad game in the semi final when he started and Mount was good when he came on, and the reverse happened yesterday. Amorim is simply making the comparison and saying you can’t predict such a situation.