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You could sell Rashford and do the same. You could sell Antony and so the same blah blah blah. I also have said enough times I am ok to sell him. But people pretending as if he isn’t showing any decent signs as a player for his age are clueless
There's actually no willingness from clubs to pay for either.

I’d agree with you but there are many other players that can be sacrificed before we let him go.
Eze is already 26yo and his output matches Garnacho’s, hardly an upgrade.
Eze is a more natural fit in the 10, takes care of the ball better and is comfortably better in end product.

Eze has 19 goals 12 assists in 60 games over the past 2 seasons.
Garnacho has 13 goals and 6 assists in 72 games over the past 2 seasons.
 
"Because we're relying on a 20 year old"

However he is the player that creates something. He gets shots on target and like against Spurs, hes the one who makes the goalkeeper work

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He also carries the ball. Not many players do both progressive carries and progressive passes really well, @Hoof the ball selected the stats we know he’s terrible at. Quite disingenuous in my opinion.

I do agree that two things can be true at once. He has his strengths and brings to our team something not many others have (mainly the ability to progress us up the pitch well), and he seems to think he is better than he actually is. The latter is common for people his age and you’d hope he’d mature out of it.

Anyway, if Amorim stays, and our budget is limited, he will be sold. Let’s get used to the idea.
 
There's actually no willingness from clubs to pay for either.
This is a false statement. Deco just literally said his club are interested in Rashford. Whilst Atletico Madrid have an interest in Antony and are not the only club.
 
This is a false statement. Deco just literally said his club are interested in Rashford. Whilst Atletico Madrid have an interest in Antony and are not the only club.
Yes, they are interested. They won't give a big fee though. It's been reported barca want him but not for a big price.

Atletico Madrid is not remotely advanced weve just heard some gossip about an interest.

Ultimately we can sell both but itl prob be a bit of a saga and their proceeds can fund say a CM or a wingback. After the priority 10s and ST are in.
 
Yes, they are interested. They won't give a big fee though. It's been reported barca want him but not for a big price.

Atletico Madrid is not remotely advanced weve just heard some gossip about an interest.

Ultimately we can sell both but itl prob be a bit of a saga and their proceeds can fund say a CM or a wingback. After the priority 10s and ST are in.
You said there was no willingness from clubs to pay for either. Its a false statement. For Rashford we don’t need a big fee and Antony can fetch a decent price. Where did I say anything was advanced, there is nothing remotely advanced with Garnacho
 
You said there was no willingness from clubs to pay for either. Its a false statement. For Rashford we don’t need a big fee and Antony can fetch a decent price. Where did I say anything was advanced, there is nothing remotely advanced with Garnacho
Its not a false statement. Rashfords price is set at £40m and Barca don't want to pay that.

Garnacho we know that there is concrete interest and a willingness to put Down money by two clubs. That's more advanced than the other two.
 
How can you develop a pass you don't even try. I'm not exaggerating. Literally 95% of his passes in any game are a backpass or a square ball. He doesn't even look for a forward pass. Normally improvements come from repetition of things you're not good at, and in doing them often, you improve.

He is 20. Lot of time to start passing and get better. That would be part of his development.
 
Its not a false statement. Rashfords price is set at £40m and Barca don't want to pay that.

Garnacho we know that there is concrete interest and a willingness to put Down money by two clubs. That's more advanced than the other two.
Prices are fecking negotiable. Villa want to pay it, Rashford just doesn’t seem interested in going there maybe UCL will change his mind. Im willing to bet more clubs are also interested. Your statement is completely false and baseless since you don’t actually have a clue
 
Garnacho and Amad should have been our wingers all season, with Bruno as #10 or part of a midfield 3 with Mainoo and Zirkzee as the focal point.

Instead we’ve pissed around all season with this ridiculous formation trying to fit players into positions they’ve never played before and completely wasted a years worth of development for the likes of Garnacho, Mainoo & Amad. Plus Zirkzee too really.

Garnacho not only not starting to today but also not coming on until the 70th minute, while Mount did his usual disappearing act, was scandalous. You can bet the spurs defenders were delighted.
Agree with you. I also think Yoro would be better in a 2. Amorim is wasting our best young talents
 
Prices are fecking negotiable. Villa want to pay it, Rashford just doesn’t seem interested in going there maybe UCL will change his mind. Im willing to bet more clubs are also interested. Your statement is completely false and baseless since you don’t actually have a clue
I dont have a clue?
You said Villa are willing to pay it - where do you see that?

Here's the latest from BBC

The simple truth is if Rashford sticks to his guns over his wages – and his United contract does not run out until 2028 - very few clubs in the world could afford him.

It means United have to offer an incentive to negotiate a sale, through a reduced fee or offering to pay a portion of his wages or both.


So yes there isn't a clear willingness to pay what's needed. Its likely the Rashford exit will be a complicated one for various reasons. Bringing that back to Garnacho, this guy is a straight forward sell where two clubs are seriously interested and likely to put good money down. Mbuemo and others won't sit tight all window, we face competition so it's quite clearly a straight forward case of making common sense decisions for offloading Garna early doors.
 
To further back this up, he is doing ok for his age. Its not his fault we don’t have senior players pulling their weight and lessening the burden.

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But equally I think from Amorim arriving to end of Feb at least he'd had the most shots in the league without a goal.

Right now to get those g+a there's also a high amount of waste.
 
Amorim doesn’t play with traditional number 10s. At least one of them is more of a wide forward who can play with back to goal (where Garnacho stuggles a bit) also Garnacho has actually adapted well its his finishing / end product that has been lacking.

Cunha does not slow the game down or play slow
That’s arguably been because of Garnacho rather than the other way around though. Ruben would prefer more traditional 10’s in the middle of the pitch so our ‘wing backs’ can provide the width. Mount showed how much it slows our play down when we play with a midfielder there.
 
I dont have a clue?
You said Villa are willing to pay it - where do you see that?

Here's the latest from BBC

The simple truth is if Rashford sticks to his guns over his wages – and his United contract does not run out until 2028 - very few clubs in the world could afford him.

It means United have to offer an incentive to negotiate a sale, through a reduced fee or offering to pay a portion of his wages or both.


So yes there isn't a clear willingness to pay what's needed. Its likely the Rashford exit will be a complicated one for various reasons. Bringing that back to Garnacho, this guy is a straight forward sell where two clubs are seriously interested and likely to put good money down. Mbuemo and others won't sit tight all window, we face competition so it's quite clearly a straight forward case of making common sense decisions for offloading Garna early doors.
The fact the manager has come out to say they want to sign him. The issue has been he Rashford does not seem interested.
 
That’s arguably been because of Garnacho rather than the other way around though. Ruben would prefer more traditional 10’s in the middle of the pitch so our ‘wing backs’ can provide the width. Mount showed how much it slows our play down when we play with a midfielder there.
He didn’t play traditional 10s in both roles at Sporting. He played a forward and a 10 together. We are signing Cunha who is an inside forward and not a traditional 10. So no its not because of Garnacho
 
Can you point out where the manager said he wants to sign Marcus Rashford?
The latest he said is a non committal "its difficult to plan", and then went on to say "if he is happy and we are happy etc."
 
Can you point out where the manager said he wants to sign Marcus Rashford?
The latest he said is a non committal "its difficult to plan", and then went on to say "if he is happy and we are happy etc."
He said it when he first joined and it was also reported as such. Emery loves him. Yes hes non committal now because Rashford isn’t interested for now
 
He didn’t play traditional 10s in both roles at Sporting. He played a forward and a 10 together. We are signing Cunha who is an inside forward and not a traditional 10. So no its not because of Garnacho
We’ll see.
 
He said it when he first joined and it was also reported as such. Emery loves him. Yes hes non committal now because Rashford isn’t interested for now
Obviously when a player signs its positive :lol: I mean Chelsea got Sancho on an obligation and will still chuck him back.
The BBC article gives the latest, and its not just about Rashford's interest but also club's simply not placing a valuation that he thinks he's worth.

But again, pivoting back to Garnacho, thats much more straight forward deal to do.
 
Well no. We are literally signing a non traditional 10 to play the position in Cunha
We’ll see, let’s see if it affects our already slow pace. He’s obviously going to play more centrally than Garnacho currently does whether or not you think he’s traditional.
 
Obviously when a player signs its positive :lol: I mean Chelsea got Sancho on an obligation and will still chuck him back.
The BBC article gives the latest, and its not just about Rashford's interest but also club's simply not placing a valuation that he thinks he's worth.

But again, pivoting back to Garnacho, thats much more straight forward deal to do.

You are talking about his wages. Thats nothing to do with Villa being willing to pay the fee.

I don’t think Garnachos is straight forward to date no club has been willing to pay the asking price. Else we would have sold him in Jan and got a forward in. It is more straight forward from the players perspective in terms of personal terms.

I think you are serverly underestimating the market for Rashford but we’ll see in the summer
 
You are talking about his wages. Thats nothing to do with Villa being willing to pay the fee.

I don’t think Garnachos is straight forward to date no club has been willing to pay the asking price. Else we would have sold him in Jan and got a forward in. It is more straight forward from the players perspective in terms of personal terms.
They are linked. Clubs wont pay a big fee if they have to commit to big wages. Clubs will equally commit to bigger wages if they are paid off through the seller via a reduced fee. Hence its a complicated deal because there needs to 1) be compromise between clubs and then 2) agreements with the player.

As for Garnacho - Napoli's own sporting chairman said "Manna stated: "We made an important bid to Manchester United for Garnacho. We really wanted him. We weren't able to agree on personal terms with Alejandro; he requested an important salary to leave in January, and we must respect our players."

So fast forward to now, Napoli or Chelsea may well get the deal over the line. They know what's needed and one club has done a lot of the legwork and have a big interest. They may be Serie A champs, they'll be in the CL and we officially won't be. To advance on a Garnacho deal is a lot less complicated.
 
They are linked. Clubs wont pay a big fee if they have to commit to big wages. Clubs will equally commit to bigger wages if they are paid off through the seller via a reduced fee. Hence its a complicated deal because there needs to 1) be compromise between clubs and then 2) agreements with the player.

As for Garnacho - Napoli's own sporting chairman said "Manna stated: "We made an important bid to Manchester United for Garnacho. We really wanted him. We weren't able to agree on personal terms with Alejandro; he requested an important salary to leave in January, and we must respect our players."

So fast forward to now, Napoli or Chelsea may well get the deal over the line. They know what's needed and one club has done a lot of the legwork and have a big interest. They may be Serie A champs, they'll be in the CL and we officially won't be. To advance on a Garnacho deal is a lot less complicated.
So Napoli according to you were in the same position as Villa not being willing to pay the player what they player wants?

Anyway Im convinced both players will be sold this summer and likely Antony. The one I worry about is Sancho
 
He also carries the ball. Not many players do both progressive carries and progressive passes really well, @Hoof the ball selected the stats we know he’s terrible at. Quite disingenuous in my opinion.

I do agree that two things can be true at once. He has his strengths and brings to our team something not many others have (mainly the ability to progress us up the pitch well), and he seems to think he is better than he actually is. The latter is common for people his age and you’d hope he’d mature out of it.

Anyway, if Amorim stays, and our budget is limited, he will be sold. Let’s get used to the idea.

Its also common in some of the best ever players. If they dont dare to dream that they are the best, plenty wont become it

I'm not sure he's going to be right up there, but I didnt think Ronaldo would be the player he became when he was 19 either.
 
So Napoli according to you were in the same position as Villa not being willing to pay the player what they player wants?

Anyway Im convinced both players will be sold this summer and likely Antony. The one I worry about is Sancho

The dynamic for Napoli has changed because they will enter a sumer window and not a January one. If they still want him theyl show conviction and there's every chance hell be more flexible in his terms if he wants an exit. Im also not even considering what Chelsea will do yet, so that's why I feel Garna is a straight forward deal. He's on less wages compared to Rashford so it's less weight to shift.

We are in agreement overall, I think all will go too.
 
Whether you rate him or not;

You cannot play Dorgu & Mazroui as your wingbacks and then go and play Mount as one of your front 3.

We only had 2 attackers yesterday until the 70th minute which were Hojlund & Amad.

Anyone saying Mount was the right choice is purely bending their mind on their hatred of Garnacho. Garnacho should have atleast got 40 mins of game time yesterday but got 20.

He has every right to be pissed off because Mount has done absolutely nothing this whole season and didn't even do anything vs Chelsea.

Just like @VP89 , @The Hilton & @Valencia Shin Crosses - Amorim seems to have his one formation in his head with clear favourite players.
 
Whether you rate him or not;

You cannot play Dorgu & Mazroui as your wingbacks and then go and play Mount as one of your front 3.

We only had 2 attackers yesterday until the 70th minute which were Hojlund & Amad.

Anyone saying Mount was the right choice is purely bending their mind on their hatred of Garnacho. Garnacho should have atleast got 40 mins of game time yesterday but got 20.

He has every right to be pissed off because Mount has done absolutely nothing this whole season and didn't even do anything vs Chelsea.

Just like @VP89 , @The Hilton & @Valencia Shin Crosses - Amorim seems to have his one formation in his head with clear favourite players.

Who are his favourite players?
I don’t think he actually likes many of the players at all
Not to mention he has played Garnacho a lot and through poor form too
 
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Whether you rate him or not;

You cannot play Dorgu & Mazroui as your wingbacks and then go and play Mount as one of your front 3.

We only had 2 attackers yesterday until the 70th minute which were Hojlund & Amad.

Anyone saying Mount was the right choice is purely bending their mind on their hatred of Garnacho. Garnacho should have atleast got 40 mins of game time yesterday but got 20.

He has every right to be pissed off because Mount has done absolutely nothing this whole season and didn't even do anything vs Chelsea.

Just like @VP89 , @The Hilton & @Valencia Shin Crosses - Amorim seems to have his one formation in his head with clear favourite players.
So we should just be accepting players bad attitudes now then? Anytime a player has a bit of a complaint we should be backing them and agreeing with them? Even if he has a right to complain he should not be doing it publicly and making a show of it, same with his stupid brother as well.

Some fans here deserve the absolute circus this club has become I swear.
 
So we should just be accepting players bad attitudes now then? Anytime a player has a bit of a complaint we should be backing them and agreeing with them? Even if he has a right to complain he should not be doing it publicly and making a show of it, same with his stupid brother as well.

Some fans here deserve the absolute circus this club has become I swear.

Yeah because keeping Mount and selling Garnacho makes sense :lol:

Some fans do deserve what they have because they keep shit players whilst trying to flog off better ones.

In 2 years time we will hear Garnacho's name than Mount who will be in Saudi!

Garnacho didn't go public, he got interviewed by Argentian media and he said he was disappointed he only got 20 mins.

He didn't say he wants to shit on the club.

Amorim has clear favouritism and doesn't rate Garnacho so I got no problem garnacho going against Amorim who has done shit all at United so far vs Garnacho.

Why people like you want to love every manager like the next coming of SAF is one of the main reasons we are where we are.

Amorim isn't good enough. Has no tactical versatility, and plays 8 defensive players vs Spurs.
 
Yeah because keeping Mount and selling Garnacho makes sense :lol:

Some fans do deserve what they have because they keep shit players whilst trying to flog off better ones.

In 2 years time we will hear Garnacho's name than Mount who will be in Saudi!

Garnacho didn't go public, he got interviewed by Argentian media and he said he was disappointed he only got 20 mins.

He didn't say he wants to shit on the club.

Amorim has clear favouritism and doesn't rate Garnacho so I got no problem garnacho going against Amorim who has done shit all at United so far vs Garnacho.

Why people like you want to love every manager like the next coming of SAF is one of the main reasons we are where we are.

Amorim isn't good enough. Has no tactical versatility, and plays 8 defensive players vs Spurs.
Did you actually read any of your post before you pressed submit?

NOBODY wants to keep Mount, but thanks to ETH and the old regime we are stuck with him because nobody is going to buy such an injury prone player for a large amount on the stupid wages we gave him. So what do you want us to do? Just pull a buyer out of our ass is it?

You and others think this is all just Football Manager, "you all just wanna sell the good players and keep the shit ones!!111" nobody WANTS to keep shit players, but as you yourself have just attested, they are shit and we either still owe money on the transfer or gave them stupid wages so who the f*** is buying them off us then? Use your brain please.

There's no way you haven't noticed the many many many times Garnacho has either disrespected the manager, the club, or shown his unearned arrogant attitude over the past couple of years? He got caught multiple times on social media liking posts slagging off ETH, his brother is always 1 match away from saying something about the Club or the Manager, and he's here acting arrogant in public, again, like the club owes him something even though he misses chances left right and centre? Park ji-sung was left out of the Champions League final after doing more than Garnacho has ever done for this club and did he go to the media talking about well i'll have to see in the summer cause I only got 20 minutes in the final? No he didn't. A true servant of the club.

We get it, people like you are Player FC and you get attached to certain players and you worship the ground they walk on and think they are better and bigger than the club. But guess what, that's not how a successful club runs and it never has been. Garnacho has nowhere near the talent of Ronaldo but he and his brother act like he does, like he's above this club.

Who said I want to love every manager like the next coming of SAF? I didn't even give my opinion on Amorim. Perhaps we should make Garnacho the manager then shall we? Seeing as how he's done more than Amorim for United. Even though Amorim has won titles both domestically and in Europe before coming to United.

God you say its fans like me that are the problem with this club but its clearly immature fans who have no clue what they are talking about besides stanning their favourite Instagram player that are a real problem at this club. Imagine backing Garnacho who's done sweet fa in the grand scheme of things over the actual club itself.

I genuinely hope we sell him so people like you can go support some other club.

Clueless.
 
Did you actually read any of your post before you pressed submit?

NOBODY wants to keep Mount, but thanks to ETH and the old regime we are stuck with him because nobody is going to buy such an injury prone player for a large amount on the stupid wages we gave him. So what do you want us to do? Just pull a buyer out of our ass is it?

You and others think this is all just Football Manager, "you all just wanna sell the good players and keep the shit ones!!111" nobody WANTS to keep shit players, but as you yourself have just attested, they are shit and we either still owe money on the transfer or gave them stupid wages so who the f*** is buying them off us then? Use your brain please.

There's no way you haven't noticed the many many many times Garnacho has either disrespected the manager, the club, or shown his unearned arrogant attitude over the past couple of years? He got caught multiple times on social media liking posts slagging off ETH, his brother is always 1 match away from saying something about the Club or the Manager, and he's here acting arrogant in public, again, like the club owes him something even though he misses chances left right and centre? Park ji-sung was left out of the Champions League final after doing more than Garnacho has ever done for this club and did he go to the media talking about well i'll have to see in the summer cause I only got 20 minutes in the final? No he didn't. A true servant of the club.

We get it, people like you are Player FC and you get attached to certain players and you worship the ground they walk on and think they are better and bigger than the club. But guess what, that's not how a successful club runs and it never has been. Garnacho has nowhere near the talent of Ronaldo but he and his brother act like he does, like he's above this club.

Who said I want to love every manager like the next coming of SAF? I didn't even give my opinion on Amorim. Perhaps we should make Garnacho the manager then shall we? Seeing as how he's done more than Amorim for United. Even though Amorim has won titles both domestically and in Europe before coming to United.

God you say its fans like me that are the problem with this club but its clearly immature fans who have no clue what they are talking about besides stanning their favourite Instagram player that are a real problem at this club. Imagine backing Garnacho who's done sweet fa in the grand scheme of things over the actual club itself.

I genuinely hope we sell him so people like you can go support some other club.

Clueless.

Park Ji Sung played with Ronaldo & Rooney. How can you not damn see the difference :lol:

Garnacho was dropped for Mount playing next to Hojlund & an Amad coming back from injury.

Clueless.

He kept his mouth shut all season ever since he was dropped then this clueless manager does the weirdest tactic to play 8 defensive players against an injured Tottenham & drop one of the players that got them in to the final.

Garnacho said what he did because Amorim doesn't rate him and doesn't fit his damn system & Garnacho is clearly thinking about leaving.

What amorim did was wrong, Mount had no form and scored 2 goals in a dead match & suddenly we should all just back Amorim because he has shown what exactly?

I will say it again - Garnacho has had more good games for United than bloody Amorim and one is a damn manager.

Garnacho kept his mouth shut and so did his damn brother and your bringing things up in the past which he stopped until what Amorim did was completely the wrong decision.

Look at bloody Mainoo's face - the guy looks depressed and is lucky he doesn't have the fighting attitude of Garnacho because if he did then Mainoo would just be the same. Mainoo hasn't helped the team get to the final except one important goal vs Lyon & even if he was dropped on good form in a final after starting every match, he would be just as pissed off.

Half the time you hear fans say:

"Oh I want Cunha because it would be great to have an ego & a dick in our first team" but when we actually do it's suddenly all bloody worthless. Before anyone says oh well cunha is better than Garnacho, cunha wasn't better at the age of 20 & I still want Cunha.

Dicks are good, not everyone to be this shy little babies who embrace losing.

Again what did Garnacho say exactly that pissed you off?

That he was disappointed he only got 20 mins of the final after helping the team get to the final.

Your acting like he said something bloody racist or said a rude word in front of the TV. Absolutely nothing wrong with what he said because what he said was true.

Tell me, would Cunha just shut up being dropped in a CL final after playing every game getting us to that CL final? For someone that showed absolutely no form?

No he would be just as pissed and go out on social media.

Your just as clueless as me.
 
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He should stick it out with us. I have a feeling he won't regret it if he does. We need fight going in to next season and a full commitment to the system the club and coaches choose. Bitching and moaning about a system makes you look like a fecking twat, especially when you are constantly dispossessed with the usual predictable movement and an inability to score from 6 yards out.
This squad has talent/ability but they are weak as shit in everything that makes a team function like a team. Shaw, Dalot, Lindelof and anyone who has coasted for the last three managers all need to go. The mentality required by any United player who's been here more than 2 years should be reflected not just on the pitch but in training. It's obviously not. Hojland probably rips Lindelof to shreds every day. Lindelof pats his arse while he does his throat slashing celebration. No pressure to make each other work for it. None of our players have a partnership or play to anothers strengths.
All we have done is celebrated comebacks from losing positions like we won the fecking thing and allowing young players to use that as proof of greatness. Rashford with PSG every season, Mainoo with the FA cup and his wanting a bumper contract, Shaw telling everyone the league cup is proof we can do it and we then go on to an embarrassing end of the season.
No club has been as cringeworthy, embarrassing, shown up and dominated by nearly every opponent as much as we have. I can't think of any match where we controlled and won with a convincing performance that wasn't followed by 4 -5 shitshows.
I'm glad we lost yesterday. Spurs as a club deserved it more than us.
We are a sorry excuse at the moment. Trying to build a foundation but constantly digging just leaves the whole organization in the basement or under water. We were 5 floors down 5 years ago. We are well and truly under water.
I love Bruno but 150mil would do for us what coutinho money did for Liverpool. That's a spine for Amorim right there. I would hate to see him go but the club is more important than one player, especially now. We need 4/5 starters this summer if the manager is backed. Amad, Yoro, Mainoo, Ugarte, Maguire and Zirkzee would be the only ones I would invite to dinner after this season. One game a week with the squad getting rotated in for cups should allow us to trim the fat and start playing like we give a shit.
Garnacho has what it takes but to get to the level he wants to be at he has to show that he can drag his team to a win when he gets a chance. Your goals and assists mean nothing at the end of a season like this. Every player was given a job to do and this is what they served up. The fecking cheek of the players that have posed and bluffed their way through this club is astonishing.
 
He's not a huge goal threat though, as seen in his numbers. He's a decent goal threat and his decision making, composure and finishing haven't improved since he came into the side.
He gets in position but miss most of his chances. Finishing will improve as he is just 20.

We will regret selling him in few years.
 
that tends to be the case when a player is 20

Cunha at 20 had 5 goals in 30 appearances in Bundesliga
Not only Cunha - look at what any of the following were doing at 20 years old: Salah, Son, Mane, Suarez, Kane, Osimhen, Gyokeres, Cavani, Lewandowski, Falcao, Diego Costa.

I'm probably forgetting some who could be included here too, and these are just picked from the crème de la crème of forwards over the past 15 years or so - I could also name a host of very capable forwards who were a tier below that who weren't up to much at the same age.

Garnacho's movement off the ball is generally very good, which is why he gets so many chances. If he can improve his finishing he'll be a real asset, and composure in front of goal is often the last thing to click for a player so I really don't see why not.

That's not to say you just stick with any 20 year old and hope they come good. Hojlund is the same age and he's awful and needs to go.