Agreed. That's why teams probably are willing to pay over 50m for him. The upside with him is more likely than the downside. But whether with Amorim or other new manager, they'll prefer to get a better player for now instead of this "future Salah".
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That's for people that don't watch football. Wirtz will be gone for 100m, and Yamal is probably a 200m player. While we'll be fortunate to get 60m for Garnacho.I'd keep all the ones we have on this list
That was from last season
He's also 5th for most goals in the top league for an under 21 this season after Yamal, Diao, Gittens and Castro whilst playing in the best league.
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Despite the talent, which is patently there, he will not become a top tier talent until he develops what is between the ears. United, sadly, do not have the time to wait and see if that will happen.
Consistently wasteful in good positions ≠ threat.
As a player a like him a lot but he’s too immature and his off field decisions aren’t worth keeping him around.
First mistake of the summer is to let all the media and clubs know he’s being booted out the door.
Napoli may as well come back with a 30m bid, they know United won’t get 50-60 now.
First mistake of the summer is to let all the media and clubs know he’s being booted out the door.
Napoli may as well come back with a 30m bid, they know United won’t get 50-60 now.
In the PL Garnacho has 8 G/A in 2196 minutes and Zirkzee has 5 G/A in 1394 minutes. There’s barely any difference between them in terms of productivity. Garnacho has just played more (and wasted more).
Sometimes with this club I'm not sure if it's delusion or desperation, but there isn't a fecking chance we're selling a player we're visibly trying to get rid of for over £50m.
Good thing we don’t just play in the PL but nice try trying to use limited data to try and make your point.
Well no because he’s not sitting 3 yards away missing tap ins. He’s running in behind, taking on players, and doing everything that makes opposition defenders be more alert. He’s a threat
That’s not without reason - our inability to perform in the league is by far our biggest issue. We struggle badly to get goals or wins against premier league clubs, and we cannot compete physically with them either. That’s precisely what killed our season. And if we don’t improve drastically against such opponents then we’re screwed.
So I don’t really care if Garnacho is more productive against carabao cup or Europa League teams. We need players who can perform consistently against PL level opposition.
I don’t see scuffing it wide, dribbling in to opposition players and then losing the ball, or kicking it into defenders shins when he hasn’t had the nous to gain a yard, as particularly threatening. To each their own I guess.
Well luckily with Garnacho you get the persistence and the fitness that if it doesn’t work the first, second or third time he won’t stop and it’ll probably work the fourth time. He’s a young player with the mentality to improve so over time it stops requiring more than 3 attempts etc.
Where have our standards gone? Instead we could sell him and buy players who can do it on the first, second or third time. Think what a difference it would make it we actually started putting away chances earlier in matches.
Which 20 year olds always score after 2 attempts?
Let's replace him with Lamine
No one is paying that, the manager announcing he needs to find a new club won't have a positive impact on his value.
It's not an intelligent thing to do
It's not an intelligent thing to do
When did I say a replacement had to be twenty?
Yeah but we shouldn’t sell him and buy better players because at least he tries really hard.
Even at 20 year old, he is one of the greatest attacking threats we have. He has pace, is exciting to watch and keeps trying. Yes his shot conversion could be better but at least he gets into attacking positions and tests the keeper a few times each game. He may have some attitude but I would rather have him than someone who takes their wages week in week out and prays noone notices them making any contributions (we have plenty of such players).
I will be bitterly disappointed if we let him go, specially if we are continuing with Amorim because we are already too painfully boring to watch and we are removing one of the few sparks we have.
It would be okay to get rid of Garnacho if we were a fully functional SAF team from 15 years back. But right now, we need players like him and I can think of at least 10 to 15 players I would get rid of first before even thinking abour Garnacho.
The fact that he is the only player that we can sell who will fetch us anything decent, should be enough to tell people that there is a great player here who has just barely been out of his teens. Selling young promising players is not how a club progresses, specially one in a situation like ours where we do not have the massive funds to attract big proven talent.
Unfortunately we all know how the script plays out here. The manager will rather get rid of him than answer difficult questions related to his own decision making during the final, which pretty much every one in the Caf questioned anyway. Amorim somehow expects he can get a different result out by trying the same thing over and over and failing over and over week in week out. His great achievement is getting us from 8th to 16th with noone questioning his contribution to this massive fall. We are losing most games without a fight and nothing seems to change when the next game starts.
The market is pretty bad and its almost a given that whatever we get from selling Garnacho will be wasted on even worse player(s) who will give us half a season of hope buying enough time for the owners to keep the supporters interest going before the cycle repeats itself.
I will be bitterly disappointed if we let him go, specially if we are continuing with Amorim because we are already too painfully boring to watch and we are removing one of the few sparks we have.
It would be okay to get rid of Garnacho if we were a fully functional SAF team from 15 years back. But right now, we need players like him and I can think of at least 10 to 15 players I would get rid of first before even thinking abour Garnacho.
The fact that he is the only player that we can sell who will fetch us anything decent, should be enough to tell people that there is a great player here who has just barely been out of his teens. Selling young promising players is not how a club progresses, specially one in a situation like ours where we do not have the massive funds to attract big proven talent.
Unfortunately we all know how the script plays out here. The manager will rather get rid of him than answer difficult questions related to his own decision making during the final, which pretty much every one in the Caf questioned anyway. Amorim somehow expects he can get a different result out by trying the same thing over and over and failing over and over week in week out. His great achievement is getting us from 8th to 16th with noone questioning his contribution to this massive fall. We are losing most games without a fight and nothing seems to change when the next game starts.
The market is pretty bad and its almost a given that whatever we get from selling Garnacho will be wasted on even worse player(s) who will give us half a season of hope buying enough time for the owners to keep the supporters interest going before the cycle repeats itself.
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Our attack is awful though. We don’t create many quality chances and we usually fluff the few we do create. ”One of the greatest attacking threats” in the worst Utd attack I’ve ever had the misfortune of watching doesn’t mean very much.
The way to improve our attack isn’t with more players like Garnacho. It’s by getting players who are better than Garnacho. Players who are better at creating chances for others, and better at finishing the chances they get.
As for exciting to watch, I just find him frustrating. He’s conditioned me to expect disappointment when he gets chances or receives the ball in promising positions. So often he’s where our attacks go to die, either by being dispossessed by a defender, making the wrong decision, or making a hash of yet another shot.
Or maybe you need to lay off from watching Yamal and realize not all 20 year olds are the gods bollocks. Bruno Fernandes at 20 was playing for Udinese, but perspective is not for everyone i guess.
I don’t need to watch Yamal to know that Man Utd should be aiming for better than Garnacho - watching Utd over the years is enough to know what our standards should be if we want to be successful.
I’ll be delighted if we end up selling him for a good profit. What we need now is a developed player who can offer a bit of predictability in attacking and who is a proven quantity
Better like Bruno ? Cunha? Like who exactly? Mount maybe? Or Amorim and his managerial masterclass performances?
Bruno is absolutely better, although I’d still sell him if we were offered stupid Saudi money give the age he is. Amad is better, which is why he starts over Garnacho when fit. Mount isn’t good enough, but much harder to sell than Garnacho given his injury history. The likes of Cunha or Mbuemo would be obvious and immediate upgrades on both Mount and Garnacho.
I would agree with you if this happens. But more likely (based on our transfer business and bank balance) we are going to end up with a worse player. We do not have the ability to spend the kind of money a better player will need (and we have also lost the ability now to attract such players even if we could afford them somehow). We are not exactly choosers right now.
Also I don't mind getting rid of Garnacho but we should first get rid of others ahead of him in the queue (e.g. hojlund, mount, etc.). The only reason Garnacho is being sold first is because of commercial reasons (he is from academy and will generate profit while both hojlund and mount will be losses). But I am arguing footballing merit and not our commercial cluster**ck .
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Garnacho is 20, one of our brightest talents and not ready to bear the burden of a shocking team consisting of crap players like Mount and a shit captain like Bruno who actually makes more damage to the team than Garnacho himself. It would be stupid to sell him, he is much more sellable not because of Mount’s injury record. How many better 20 year old wingers are there?
Amad won’t be going anyway
Eh? We apparently almost have Cunha signed. That’s already an immediate upgrade on Garnacho. He’ll be a starter at left ten, bumping Garnacho further down the pecking order - and Garnacho has already made it abundantly clear he’s not happy if he’s not starting (despite making 58 appearances this season). The sale of Garnacho would fund a significant chunk of someone like Mbuemo, who again, would be an obvious and immediate upgrade on Garna.
It’s honestly not that difficult to imagine how that £50 million or so could improve our starting 11. One of the main reasons we seem likely to sell him is precisely because of the funds he would generate which would allow further investment in our starting 11.
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I just don’t think he’s that bright a talent. He doesn’t stand out physically or technically, and he doesn’t have a good football brain - which is why he isn’t a great team player and why consistently displays such poor decision making.
I’m not advocating for selling him so we can replace him with another equally inconsistent 20 year old with potential. We desperately need stronger, more productive and more consistent attacking players in our starting 11, and if Garnacho moving on helps to make that happen then we will be better for it.
I am not against signing better players, if we can finance and attract them. I just think Garnacho could still be a good squad player if we could find the right balance. Our attack is really thin anyway, but it looks increasingly unlikely.
Would Garnacho be happy as just a squad player? Seems not.
Is our financial position such that we can afford to adequately invest in our first 11 whilst allowing a player like Garnacho to sit on the bench and be an impact sub? Doesn’t seem like it.
In an ideal world we’d have a much better team which would allow us to use Garnacho as a squad player and see how he develops with less pressure. But we’re a million miles away from such a scenario right now. We have a desperately poor attack (which Garnacho has been a major part of), and we desperately need funds so we can invest in better and more reliable attacking players. And I genuinely don’t think Garnacho has a level of talent or potential that makes him either an unsellable asset, or particularly hard to replace.
Will we get 50m now our coach has announced he is out of the door, I doubt it. Its a really idiotic move
He's one of the few players left here with the Manchester United 'X factor' that can win you games from nothing.
He's got.a long way to go to be consistently good, but he has 'it'
Sell Garnacho Bruno Mainoo and Amad. Buy Dorgu 2.0 and other players for Amorim system. There isnt any other way to improve this team.
No, thats bollox. United need technical, fast, intelligent players to add to their roster.
No, thats bollox. United need technical, fast, intelligent players to add to their roster.
Not many, if any, see him as a future messiah. He's probably not going to be a top tier player but he likely will kick on at some point (a lot of players develop at different rates). We don't need (and likely wouldn't even be able to attain) top tier players to improve on where we are just now it's gotten so bad.
For all his faults, he's been one of our only consistent threats and an out ball during games where we're under a lot of pressure. Given our recent recruitment history I don't have much faith that we'll upgrade on him if we sell and may end up even more toothless.
He's not a superstar, but will be a good supporting cast around a superstar when we find one.
He has a lot of potential to grow and it's a shame to let him leave. Would be an exciting player once he rounds his game more.
He has a lot of potential to grow and it's a shame to let him leave. Would be an exciting player once he rounds his game more.
Not in the squad, over and out at United.
They could try to coach it into him and a few of the others that need it. I mean it’s kind of their jobs in developing players.
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