[Zumbi]

‘Threw him under the bus’ by saying I don’t think either did anything bad. Right.

You also said he has done arguably worse. That is bollocks.

Garnacho has had repeated disciplinary issues which have resulted in multiple apologies, being dropped etc: Amad hasn’t. It doesn’t take a genius to figure who has done worse. The evidence is all there.

 

[tomaldinho1]

You also said he has done arguably worse. That is bollocks.

Garnacho has had repeated disciplinary issues which have resulted in multiple apologies, being dropped etc: Amad hasn’t. It doesn’t take a genius to figure who has done worse. The evidence is all there.

I would say a middle finger to a fan is much worse, if you made me rank them. Again, how did I throw him under the bus though?

 

[Garnacho Libre]

I disagree re the interview, I think expressing frustration at getting a small sub role in a final is fair - he didn't call anyone out at all though. He did say the campaign has been shit, but then our coach has basically said that every press conference so I'm not holding that against him (and he's also not wrong).

Beckham you have to assume is more talking about Amad giving a middle finger on camera then refusing to apologise? I also think he doesn't really get it either, he didn't have social media in his day despite being an icon and United were bloody good - these kids play for a club that just finished 15th, with a fanbase who think they should be fighting for titles and just get hammered week in week out by a fanbase who seem to want to believe a lot of the negative stuff. I also don't really mind if Garnacho is sold, it makes sense to be honest with PSR and him seemingly not suiting the setup we have.

The problem to me with that is he did call out the players that started. He didn't name them, yes. It's just, how many times has Garnacho started this season and fell short? Him, along with too many other players start a game, provide nothing. The following week, they come off the bench and provide something. They gotta provide something 9 times out of 10. A lot of it is a lack of running and a lack of effort or awareness/concentration. These traits should be a minimum. Also, the week of the final, we don't know if Garnacho was underwhelming in training.

Here's a question; would you trust Garnacho enough to start him in the final? If you have to even think about it then that's a problem.

The second point - I do agree. We don't know if Beckham would have used social media the way a lot of these players do now.

I am only at two or three games a season. I was at Spurs at home (lost 3 nil) and at Bilboa second leg. I really focused on Bruno. Because I'm not there that often there are always a player or two I go out of my way to watch and Bruno screamed at Garnacho at least 5 times. It looked like he got on to him a few times for not looking for the ball and not being quick enough being in position (just assuming). You have Bruno running all game, trying to make something happen (doesn't always work) but he gives everything he has.

I'm not sure if that has been happening all season because you can't see much on the TV, obviously. I understand Garnacho must be frustrated but at some point you have to accept perhaps his attitude (Garnacho's) is totally wrong.


I don't want to sound like I'm hating on him. I really would love to see him succeed and watch him flourish for years to come but he really needs to put his head down if he wants to stay here.

 

[tomaldinho1]

The problem to me with that is he did call out the players that started. He didn't name them, yes. It's just, how many times has Garnacho started this season and fell short? Him, along with too many other players start a game, provide nothing. The following week, they come off the bench and provide something. They gotta provide something 9 times out of 10. A lot of it is a lack of running and a lack of effort or awareness/concentration. These traits should be a minimum. Also, the week of the final, we don't know if Garnacho was underwhelming in training.

Here's a question; would you trust Garnacho enough to start him in the final? If you have to even think about it then that's a problem.

The second point - I do agree. We don't know if Beckham would have used social media the way a lot of these players do now.

I am only at two or three games a season. I was at Spurs at home (lost 3 nil) and at Bilboa second leg. I really focused on Bruno. Because I'm not there that often there are always a player or two I go out of my way to watch and Bruno screamed at Garnacho at least 5 times. It looked like he got on to him a few times for not looking for the ball and not being quick enough being in position (just assuming). You have Bruno running all game, trying to make something happen (doesn't always work) but he gives everything he has.

I'm not sure if that has been happening all season because you can't see much on the TV, obviously. I understand Garnacho must be frustrated but at some point you have to accept perhaps his attitude (Garnacho's) is totally wrong.


I don't want to sound like I'm hating on him. I really would love to see him succeed and watch him flourish for years to come but he really needs to put his head down if he wants to stay here.

That's fair if you think the interview stepped over the line, I don't think it did. Many times Garnacho has underdelivered but then that applies to literally every player, Bruno included if we look over a whole season. True re garnacho in training but there's nothing to suggest it so would be pure guesswork.

I would have started him, yes, Mount I'm not sure is fit and we lack pace in too many areas. I think particularly when it was clear they would sit back, I would have had him on immediately in the second half - though I am not Amorim and this doesn't really matter. The issue is Mount/Garnacho on current form is not a great choice either way, one though is much more dangerous on the ball and quicker.

As said, I judge on what we see on the pitch and yes, you can also add Case bollocking Garnacho, likely others as well, but then he's a kid. I don't mind it if he's still grafting. I can't remember him ever not putting in the yards. Again, nowhere am I claiming he's perfect but someone called him poison and it seems so overthetop.

 

[Zumbi]

I would say a middle finger to a fan is much worse, if you made me rank them. Again, how did I throw him under the bus though?

Are you forgetting Garnacho also gave fans the middle finger?

Amad doing it is a one off. Garnacho doing it is part of a pattern of disciplinary issues which have happened under several managers over an extended period of time.

Please logically explain how the former is worse than the latter?

 

[tomaldinho1]

Are you forgetting Garnacho also gave fans the middle finger?

Amad doing it is a one off. Garnacho doing it is part of a pattern of disciplinary issues which have happened under several managers over an extended period of time.

Please logically explain how the former is worse than the latter?

As in the pic of him and everyone doing it for socials? If he’s also done it that I haven’t seen then I would think it equal to what Amad did. Surely you don’t need me to clarify that?

 

[Zumbi]

As in the pic of him and everyone doing it for socials? If he’s also done it that I haven’t seen then I would think it equal to what Amad did. Surely you don’t need me to clarify that?

There was a video of Garnacho alone doing it towards a camera, and then he also did it again at a signing event for supporters in the Adidas shop in Kuala Lumpur.

Given your inability to recognise that a pattern of disciplinary issues over an extended period of time is worse than a one off incident, I’m not going to assume anything about your ability to interpret these things in a logical manner.

 

[tomaldinho1]

There was a video of Garnacho alone doing it towards a camera, and then he also did it again at a signing event for supporters in the Adidas shop in Kuala Lumpur.

Given your inability to recognise that a pattern of disciplinary issues over an extended period of time is worse than a one off incident, I’m not going to assume anything about your ability to interpret these things in a logical manner.

You seem so angry man, hope it all works out. I just struggle to see how you can justify that extreme a reaction. I’ll take your word for the vid and therefore both him and Anna’s have been silly but - as already said, neither has done anything that bad.

 

[RedSky]

It’s not just those three issues.

• April 2024: Garnacho liked two posts from Mark Goldbridge criticizing Ten Hag after he was subbed at half-time vs. Bournemouth. He later apologized.

• September 2024: He liked a post from Fabrizio featuring Cristiano Ronaldo criticizing Ten Hag. Garnacho ended up apologizing for his actions.

• December 2024: Just a month into Amorim’s time as manager, Garnacho liked a post criticizing Lisandro Martinez — his club and international teammate.

• December 2024 (again): He was dropped for the Manchester City match, reportedly for dissent towards the manager.

• February 2025: he buys dinner for the squad as an apology for storming straight down the tunnel after being subbed at half time.

• May 2025: After our Europa League final loss to Spurs, Garnacho’s brother speaks out on social media, and Garnacho gives an interview blaming the manager for his lack of game time.

Yes, I think this pattern of behaviour over an extended period of time is toxic, shows a lack of professionalism and respect towards his managers and team mates, and broadly detracts from the club. Fergie wouldn’t have put up with half this shit, and it’s another demonstration of how far standards at this club have fallen.

That's all we know about too. Imagine there's more to it behind closed doors that we aren't aware of.

 

[Zumbi]

You seem so angry man, hope it all works out. I just struggle to see how you can justify that extreme a reaction. I’ll take your word for the vid and therefore both him and Anna’s have been silly but - as already said, neither has done anything that bad.

Nope, just bemused. Thanks for your concern though.

What extreme reaction?

 

[Vidooq]

Yeah, he seems unable to control himself in regards to media posts and always does stupid things. He thinks he is much better than his teammates and he is not afraid to say that publicly, which what his interview was, after the EL final.

He has an attitude problem, there is no doubt about that, no matter how insignificant these excesses are. They are repetitive over a long period of time. He does not seems to learn.

 

[Womp]

If the teams he thinks he is good enough to be playing for show interest, we should let him go

 

[Garnacho Libre]

That's fair if you think the interview stepped over the line, I don't think it did. Many times Garnacho has underdelivered but then that applies to literally every player, Bruno included if we look over a whole season. True re garnacho in training but there's nothing to suggest it so would be pure guesswork.

I would have started him, yes, Mount I'm not sure is fit and we lack pace in too many areas. I think particularly when it was clear they would sit back, I would have had him on immediately in the second half - though I am not Amorim and this doesn't really matter. The issue is Mount/Garnacho on current form is not a great choice either way, one though is much more dangerous on the ball and quicker.

As said, I judge on what we see on the pitch and yes, you can also add Case bollocking Garnacho, likely others as well, but then he's a kid. I don't mind it if he's still grafting. I can't remember him ever not putting in the yards. Again, nowhere am I claiming he's perfect but someone called him poison and it seems so overthetop.

I don't think that one interview in particular stepped over the line, it's all the other stuff with it. It's just an attitude problem, I don't think he's a bad person. I don't want to see him being a scapegoat either - I've mentioned in almost all replies that the attitude problem isn't just him. It's evident on the pitch every week with multiple players. That to me is a bad environment and I'm sure you'll agree with me, this isn't an acceptable enviroment for what should be an elite club.

But I asked do you trust him? I also would have started him but I wouldn't trust him (with a list of other players) but we don't have many options. If he started would you have been confident he would play out of his skin? How many times has he (along with other players) started and produce nothing, only for them to come off the bench the next game and they play well. My point is, he shouldn't think he's a starter (along with others).

I didn't notice Casemiro doing it also (as I said I'm there like two/three times a year). Perhaps I'm harsh about his running but I think you'll agree his concentration isn't always there and a little slow at times. Like a lot of them! Are you a ST holder? If you are you obviously are better to judge at these things than I am. I've seen Garnacho play maybe 8-10 times and it's clear as day he has potential! You just want a player with that potential to be good all the time. Then I will agree he must start.

I disagree he's poison, that's unfair to say..... I'm doubting his attitude (again, along with so many others). And for this reason I'm not going to be overly upset seeing a lot of players being sold. It's frustrating, I'm craving the likes of Garnacho, Mainoo, Amad.... to really succeed. I just hope they have the right attitude and grit to make it possible.

 

[Poborksy96]

You're now criticising something more normal, his on field performances. That is not what you originally said, however, you described him as 'poison'.
I'm asking once more what he's done to warrant the level of criticism?

His attitude problems have been an issue since he was included on his first pre-season tour, going back, what, 3 years? So we're talking very early days. Bruno called him out on it in an interview, specifically his inability to make 2 team meetings on time and his general attitude. Ten Hag has questioned his attitude. Amorim has questioned his attitude and dropped him regarding poor attitude in training and towards teammates. If the captain and two managers have felt it necessary to do this so publicly to a young, talented player they've clearly got concerns and the penny isn't dropping with Garnacho. The very fact he chose to post what he did not long after the Europa League final showed his petulance and arrogance. He went to bat for himself. Dragging the club through more embarrassing headlines.

You've already mentioned some of his other indiscretions. His brother posts a lot more divisive content. I'm sorry, but how many other top clubs do we have, where player after player is calling out the management, leaking information to the press.and just general poor attitude and application.

The club has fallen so low that we've had several entitled players since SAF retired calling out the club, using dodgy agents to tout themselves to other clubs, using social media to disrespect management decisions, downing tools, constant leaking of information, poor attitude, punctuality etc etc. The list goes on and on. It just keeps chipping away and creating more negative headlines.

You see, if you let they likes of Garnacho, Pogba, Sancho, Rashford, Depay, Di Maria etc continuously put themselves before the club, you create an entitled atmosphere. It creates disharmony and resentment within squads. It's no difference to any workplace. Bad eggs will ultimately poison a workplace.

You can try and push the narrative that me and the fanbase has " got it in for him" all you want, but his actions are selfish, petulant and consistent. His attitude on the post season tour summed him up. There's absolutely loads of video footage of him showing very little attempt to interact with fans and clearly displaying a surly attitude. Giving a fan the finger( as Amad did of course), pushing reporters/fans? He's walked past fans outside Old Trafford for months, kids waiting for hours to meet their hero, he can't even be bothered to look in their direction. He's thoroughly dislikeable.

He's talented, but whilst his ego and bad attitude have developed, his football talent hasn't. He's trouble and I'd rather cash in and let some other poor sucker be responsible for him and his irritating brother. Just hope for his sake he doesn't end up with Conte at Napoli. He won't last 5 minutes.

A genuine question, do you also think Jadon Sancho has been unfairly targeted/ scapegoated by our incredibly loyal and long suffering fanbase? Because their actions have been very similar.

 

[tomaldinho1]

I don't think that one interview in particular stepped over the line, it's all the other stuff with it. It's just an attitude problem, I don't think he's a bad person. I don't want to see him being a scapegoat either - I've mentioned in almost all replies that the attitude problem isn't just him. It's evident on the pitch every week with multiple players. That to me is a bad environment and I'm sure you'll agree with me, this isn't an acceptable enviroment for what should be an elite club.

But I asked do you trust him? I also would have started him but I wouldn't trust him (with a list of other players) but we don't have many options. If he started would you have been confident he would play out of his skin? How many times has he (along with other players) started and produce nothing, only for them to come off the bench the next game and they play well. My point is, he shouldn't think he's a starter (along with others).

I didn't notice Casemiro doing it also (as I said I'm there like two/three times a year). Perhaps I'm harsh about his running but I think you'll agree his concentration isn't always there and a little slow at times. Like a lot of them! Are you a ST holder? If you are you obviously are better to judge at these things than I am. I've seen Garnacho play maybe 8-10 times and it's clear as day he has potential! You just want a player with that potential to be good all the time. Then I will agree he must start.

I disagree he's poison, that's unfair to say..... I'm doubting his attitude (again, along with so many others). And for this reason I'm not going to be overly upset seeing a lot of players being sold. It's frustrating, I'm craving the likes of Garnacho, Mainoo, Amad.... to really succeed. I just hope they have the right attitude and grit to make it possible.

I'm similar to you these days, I will go when I come back up NW to see family - though I'm not sure ST holder vs someone who never goes has much difference, unless for whatever reason you decided to really ignore the game and watch Garnacho. As said, he's far from perfect but I think the rap sheet is mild and people are being over the top in calling him certain things. I think we all expect him to move on this summer, it will allow us to spend and I'm not sure he really works as a dual 10 (though he's young and no doubt would grow into the role given his base skillset). I guess I see a young player who does some minor silly things but seems to always be open to apologising and has never slacked off during games, regardless of how good or bad he's been, so the fervour against him is odd to me.

Not sure I understand what you mean re trust? As in compared to Mount (as I feel that one I answered) or in general? I don't trust him to pass, that is for sure, but we're talking about realistic options for the final. Now Cunha is signed obviously the first option for his spot is quite clearly Cunha though.

 

[tomaldinho1]

His attitude problems have been an issue since he was included on his first pre-season tour, going back, what, 3 years? So we're talking very early days. Bruno called him out on it in an interview, specifically his inability to make 2 team meetings on time and his general attitude. Ten Hag has questioned his attitude. Amorim has questioned his attitude and dropped him regarding poor attitude in training and towards teammates. If the captain and two managers have felt it necessary to do this so publicly to a young, talented player they've clearly got concerns and the penny isn't dropping with Garnacho. The very fact he chose to post what he did not long after the Europa League final showed his petulance and arrogance. He went to bat for himself. Dragging the club through more embarrassing headlines.

You've already mentioned some of his other indiscretions. His brother posts a lot more divisive content. I'm sorry, but how many other top clubs do we have, where player after player is calling out the management, leaking information to the press.and just general poor attitude and application.

The club has fallen so low that we've had several entitled players since SAF retired calling out the club, using dodgy agents to tout themselves to other clubs, using social media to disrespect management decisions, downing tools, constant leaking of information, poor attitude, punctuality etc etc. The list goes on and on. It just keeps chipping away and creating more negative headlines.

You see, if you let they likes of Garnacho, Pogba, Sancho, Rashford, Depay, Di Maria etc continuously put themselves before the club, you create an entitled atmosphere. It creates disharmony and resentment within squads. It's no difference to any workplace. Bad eggs will ultimately poison a workplace.

You can try and push the narrative that me and the fanbase has " got it in for him" all you want, but his actions are selfish, petulant and consistent. His attitude on the post season tour summed him up. There's absolutely loads of video footage of him showing very little attempt to interact with fans and clearly displaying a surly attitude. Giving a fan the finger( as Amad did of course), pushing reporters/fans? He's walked past fans outside Old Trafford for months, kids waiting for hours to meet their hero, he can't even be bothered to look in their direction. He's thoroughly dislikeable.

He's talented, but whilst his ego and bad attitude have developed, his football talent hasn't. He's trouble and I'd rather cash in and let some other poor sucker be responsible for him and his irritating brother. Just hope for his sake he doesn't end up with Conte at Napoli. He won't last 5 minutes.

A genuine question, do you also think Jadon Sancho has been unfairly targeted/ scapegoated by our incredibly loyal and long suffering fanbase? Because their actions have been very similar.

Sorry will be concise as have replied a few times in here and don't want to clog the thread.
1st para I have answered. 2nd it happens at other clubs and at United pre garnacho. I agree re the brother but then agents generally do this kind of stuff, United will always make the news though.
Personally I think the issues with attitude are likely extremely complex, we have definitely let young players down, some we've literally broken - Rashford who used to train super hard - it's a very layered problem which I think mostly comes from recruitment of coaches rather than players in my opinion.
5 not really pushing a narrative, giving my opinion which you can take, leave, it doesn't really matter.
Sancho is a bit more extreme in that ETH protected him, gave him a sabbatical then he called out ETH specifically on social media and, crucially, refused to apologise. The social media thing wasn't that big a deal until he refused to apologise, until then it was just a standard story. But yes, I guess it's gone a bit overboard because of the meme of 'freedom' and Chelsea sending him back, and maybe we should be a bit more thoughtful given there seems to be a mental health component but, actions alone, I think worse than Garnacho.

 

[zenith]

I'm very glad we signed Cunha as it puts both entitled wingers ( garnacho and rashford) in their place and shows how easily they can be replaced.

Having said that, we have a real selling problem this summer, in the sense that we have too many players we are desperate to sell and none of them have any concrete buyers. We seem to be doing the right thing by purchasing the correct players for those positions and filling squad gaps, but that hardly solves the major issue.

Think we should prioritize the sale of rashford, Antony and Sancho but not so much garnacho. He has I believe 3 years left on his contract and if selling clubs know we are desperate to get rid then we are not getting over 40 million. This is a number we can get next year as well.

If we don't get any suitable offers i.e. North of 50 million, we should explore the possibility of reintegrating him into the squad, possibly in the LWB role to form a partnership with Cunha.

 

[Womp]

I'm very glad we signed Cunha as it puts both entitled wingers ( garnacho and rashford) in their place and shows how easily they can be replaced.

Having said that, we have a real selling problem this summer, in the sense that we have too many players we are desperate to sell and none of them have any concrete buyers. We seem to be doing the right thing by purchasing the correct players for those positions and filling squad gaps, but that hardly solves the major issue.

Think we should prioritize the sale of rashford, Antony and Sancho but not so much garnacho. He has I believe 3 years left on his contract and if selling clubs know we are desperate to get rid then we are not getting over 40 million. This is a number we can get next year as well.

If we don't get any suitable offers i.e. North of 50 million, we should explore the possibility of reintegrating him into the squad, possibly in the LWB role to form a partnership with Cunha.

I don't see him working as a LWB, that sounds awful. His game off the left is far too dependant on him cutting inside to get a shot off. He's one of the more selfish players in the squad too.

 

[Garnacho Libre]

I'm similar to you these days, I will go when I come back up NW to see family - though I'm not sure ST holder vs someone who never goes has much difference, unless for whatever reason you decided to really ignore the game and watch Garnacho. As said, he's far from perfect but I think the rap sheet is mild and people are being over the top in calling him certain things. I think we all expect him to move on this summer, it will allow us to spend and I'm not sure he really works as a dual 10 (though he's young and no doubt would grow into the role given his base skillset). I guess I see a young player who does some minor silly things but seems to always be open to apologising and has never slacked off during games, regardless of how good or bad he's been, so the fervour against him is odd to me.

Not sure I understand what you mean re trust? As in compared to Mount (as I feel that one I answered) or in general? I don't trust him to pass, that is for sure, but we're talking about realistic options for the final. Now Cunha is signed obviously the first option for his spot is quite clearly Cunha though.

I get you. Well being at the game you obviously can see more off the ball. I remember one time at a game, Rashford assisted and scored two goals. I think it was Arsenal and this was about 2 years ago - my mate who wasn't at the game said he was brilliant and I said he was awful. In that game, all he did was score 2 and assist 1, literally everything else he did he was awful. He was offside like 4 times, his runs were bad, he didn't track back, he couldn't pass the ball 5 yards! However, he did win us the game so I get my mates point and to be fair, it's hard to argue that he was bad when he contributed that much but I never forget how bad he was that day for a player that was involved in the 3 goals! From the TV watching, my mate thought he was outstanding and aside from the goals and assist, Rashford was awful!

Back on point. I will agree with you for Garnacho in particular people are being a little over the top. However, his attitude is still a problem and after a bad season and so many years of not being competitive in the League, I understand as fans that we just want the players there who have the right attitude. Garnacho is one of many, who don't. Personally, every 'top player' at United should be a model footballer at the highest level. Over the years we had so many players who weren't great players, what they did have was good players with great attitudes. The list of names is endless. Park, Nevilles, O'Shea, Brown etc...

Well the EL was a big game and aside from Bruno, I wouldn't have said any player on that team was a must start. This is because the majority of players at United are far too inconsistent. Because of that, I don't think any player from our club (aside Bruno) should be complaining about not starting again in front of the media. The interview itself, wasn't that it was so bad.....he just has nothing to back his words up with. That tells me, he has an attitude problem and it's another thing added to the list of other things.


Look at the abuse and criticism Maguire has received over the years, has he ever come out and criticised the managers decision or his teammates? Maguire has always accepted responsibility and faced the fire of the media for years. That is a player with the right attitude. Not a world class player....but a true professional. And right now, it's a lot more of that we need in players.

 

[tomaldinho1]

I get you. Well being at the game you obviously can see more off the ball. I remember one time at a game, Rashford assisted and scored two goals. I think it was Arsenal and this was about 2 years ago - my mate who wasn't at the game said he was brilliant and I said he was awful. In that game, all he did was score 2 and assist 1, literally everything else he did he was awful. He was offside like 4 times, his runs were bad, he didn't track back, he couldn't pass the ball 5 yards! However, he did win us the game so I get my mates point and to be fair, it's hard to argue that he was bad when he contributed that much but I never forget how bad he was that day for a player that was involved in the 3 goals! From the TV watching, my mate thought he was outstanding and aside from the goals and assist, Rashford was awful!

Back on point. I will agree with you for Garnacho in particular people are being a little over the top. However, his attitude is still a problem and after a bad season and so many years of not being competitive in the League, I understand as fans that we just want the players there who have the right attitude. Garnacho is one of many, who don't. Personally, every 'top player' at United should be a model footballer at the highest level. Over the years we had so many players who weren't great players, what they did have was good players with great attitudes. The list of names is endless. Park, Nevilles, O'Shea, Brown etc...

Well the EL was a big game and aside from Bruno, I wouldn't have said any player on that team was a must start. This is because the majority of players at United are far too inconsistent. Because of that, I don't think any player from our club (aside Bruno) should be complaining about not starting again in front of the media. The interview itself, wasn't that it was so bad.....he just has nothing to back his words up with. That tells me, he has an attitude problem and it's another thing added to the list of other things.


Look at the abuse and criticism Maguire has received over the years, has he ever come out and criticised the managers decision or his teammates? Maguire has always accepted responsibility and faced the fire of the media for years. That is a player with the right attitude. Not a world class player....but a true professional. And right now, it's a lot more of that we need in players.

The bolded is modern football. 'Look this dude has more goals than this dude, he is better'. I did enjoy LVG football when in OT as you could see such a different setup being built over time, though it never got to where it hinted it might. Otherwise it depends more who I am with in honesty, sometimes the social side or weather distracts me more than tv.
Bit off topic but Maguire is a weird one, he was a big fee and has had some disappointing seasons and some good but he really did become a laughing stock way beyond what was usual for his level - getting mocked in some far off African court for example (maybe that was dubbed but it sums his abuse up). I do wonder if young players see him - as you say - being professional, respectful etc. and getting hammered for it and just ask, what's the point? Not a defence for Garnacho, as said he has a lot to work on, but a thought more in general.

 

[Hammondo]

I'm very glad we signed Cunha as it puts both entitled wingers ( garnacho and rashford) in their place and shows how easily they can be replaced.

Having said that, we have a real selling problem this summer, in the sense that we have too many players we are desperate to sell and none of them have any concrete buyers. We seem to be doing the right thing by purchasing the correct players for those positions and filling squad gaps, but that hardly solves the major issue.

Think we should prioritize the sale of rashford, Antony and Sancho but not so much garnacho. He has I believe 3 years left on his contract and if selling clubs know we are desperate to get rid then we are not getting over 40 million. This is a number we can get next year as well.

If we don't get any suitable offers i.e. North of 50 million, we should explore the possibility of reintegrating him into the squad, possibly in the LWB role to form a partnership with Cunha.

I don't think he can do the defensive duties or offensive duties of a wingback.

 

[Garnacho Libre]

The bolded is modern football. 'Look this dude has more goals than this dude, he is better'. I did enjoy LVG football when in OT as you could see such a different setup being built over time, though it never got to where it hinted it might. Otherwise it depends more who I am with in honesty, sometimes the social side or weather distracts me more than tv.
Bit off topic but Maguire is a weird one, he was a big fee and has had some disappointing seasons and some good but he really did become a laughing stock way beyond what was usual for his level - getting mocked in some far off African court for example (maybe that was dubbed but it sums his abuse up). I do wonder if young players see him - as you say - being professional, respectful etc. and getting hammered for it and just ask, what's the point? Not a defence for Garnacho, as said he has a lot to work on, but a thought more in general.

I'm not saying I disagree but in this case looking at TV made him look better that day and a lot of the flaws you couldn't see because he wasn't in picture. I do agree that at a game it depends who you're with. If I'm with a friend it's different than being with my Dad and Brother. With a friend we would be having drinks and having a different good time! With Dad and Brother, Dad doesn't like drinking so we wouldn't be having too much to drink etc... Good point!

For sure Maguire cost a lot more than his worth but he's still a professional. He's admired now by United fans he has their respect. He really got the abuse! But he won them over. Maguire also hadn't done anything outside the pitch to add to the bad performances, you get me? It's like now, Garnacho just isn't helping himself. Along with others!

Honestly, I want Garnacho to stay and turn it around. Right now, I wouldn't be upset if he's sold but I prefer he's not. But he needs to put his head down, show some consistency and get on with it. The problem? I don't think he will. The same attitude problem of Rashford, Sancho etc... It sickens me. I defended Rashford for years but he just never was able to get his head right and to me...... it all stems down to the attitude of the player and the person that player is. Too many of these players think they are elite when they aren't. Perhaps they can be....but to be elite you gotta do what the elite players do year after year.

 

[Vidooq]

He will become even more toxic if he has to stay on the bench on the account of Cunha, who is much more productive player than him. He is gone, question is for how much and where.

Al Hilal seems to be back to Napoli for Osimhen, and they have improved their salary offer to him while offering €70m. If he goes to Saudi, chances are, Napoli will use those fund to buy Garnacho. Plus they have the funds from Kvara as well, some €65m.

 

[Brand Nubian]

Blessing in disguise if this guy is staying. Despite some shortcomings - understadable given his age - he is still the most dangerous United attacking player, and I include Amad and Cunha in that evaluation.

Not sure why he has been pushed out, I cant see it being strictly a business reason. There must have been some bust up with Rubén otherwise there is zero reason for the club and coach willing to get rid.

 

[Hammondo]

Blessing in disguise if this guy is staying. Despite some shortcomings - understadable given his age - he is still the most dangerous United attacking player, and I include Amad and Cunha in that evaluation.

Not sure why he has been pushed out, I cant see it being strictly a business reason. There must have been some bust up with Rubén otherwise there is zero reason for the club and coach willing to get rid.

How is he the most dangerous player exactly?

 

[Remember the geese]

Blessing in disguise if this guy is staying. Despite some shortcomings - understadable given his age - he is still the most dangerous United attacking player, and I include Amad and Cunha in that evaluation.

Not sure why he has been pushed out, I cant see it being strictly a business reason. There must have been some bust up with Rubén otherwise there is zero reason for the club and coach willing to get rid.

It's a footballing decision, that has also been influenced by his bratty attitude. Nothing to do with finances. Also, you shouldn't be including Amad or Cunha in your evaluation.

 

[KingEric04]

Blessing in disguise if this guy is staying. Despite some shortcomings - understadable given his age - he is still the most dangerous United attacking player, and I include Amad and Cunha in that evaluation.

Not sure why he has been pushed out, I cant see it being strictly a business reason. There must have been some bust up with Rubén otherwise there is zero reason for the club and coach willing to get rid.

He had serious issues with his attitude and Amorim doesn't want to tolerate that. He's also very egoistic and he thinks that he's the second coming of Cristiano Ronaldo, when in reality he's bang average.

The likes of him, Sancho and Rashford is the reason why our club has been in this mess for so long. There are too many clowns in the dressing room who are bang average and who are on monstrously high wages (undeservedly). We need to get rid of them all and try to get the dressing room under control.

 

[Brazilian_Ronaldo_9]

Blessing in disguise if this guy is staying. Despite some shortcomings - understadable given his age - he is still the most dangerous United attacking player, and I include Amad and Cunha in that evaluation.

Disagree, he isn’t more dangerous than Amad. Cunha is a different level, remains to be seen if he can carry it over.

Garnacho is bright spark coming off the bench and has a lot to work on.

 

[SirMonteyne]

I'm completely fine with him being arrogant, and he could even act like he's bigger than the club. But only if he performs.

 

[RedDevilCanuck]

I don't even care about the attitude issues. Reality is that he's a winger who can't beat defenders. His finishing is erratic and his decision making is selfish and dodgy at best.

Please feel free to post any stats opposing this.

Yes I know he's 20. But he's played lots of games and is not improving but actually regressing is many areas.

 

[Hit It]

Way too predictable. Prefer him off the bench when defenders are tired. Played too many games whilst learning a new position. Even when he played the 10 role you would mainly see him drift wing side and on the whole wasn't great there despite his 20 plus goals and assists. I don't mind if he leaves or stays just as long he doesn't start the number of games he has played this previous season. Its obvious that if he isn't committed he has to go for the sake of team spirit and winning football matches.

 

[Hit It]

I don't even care about the attitude issues. Reality is that he's a winger who can't beat defenders. His finishing is erratic and his decision making is selfish and dodgy at best.

Please feel free to post any stats opposing this.

Yes I know he's 20. But he's played lots of games and is not improving but actually regressing is many areas.

Confidence is a big factor as well and he's well short of it. Unfortunately for Garnacho its been 1 bad game after the other and he failed to build any form.

 

[Poborksy96]

To those who continue to support the entitled man baby. Garnacho has today posted an Instagram post wearing a Villa Rashford 9 shirt. Classy. I'm sure his apologists will just point to him being young and passionate. He's disrespectful, divisive and an utter coward. Cannot wait for him to leave our great club.

 

[TwoSheds]

Confidence is a big factor as well and he's well short of it. Unfortunately for Garnacho its been 1 bad game after the other and he failed to build any form.

Arguably it's not just bad luck if you have one bad performance after another...

 

[Toshey]

To those who continue to support the entitled man baby. Garnacho has today posted an Instagram post wearing a Villa Rashford 9 shirt. Classy. I'm sure his apologists will just point to him being young and passionate. He's disrespectful, divisive and an utter coward. Cannot wait for him to leave our great club.

Honeslty, feck Garnacho. Spoiled, arrogant brat. Doesn't have the goods to back his attitude.

It's very telling that we have nobody knocking on our door for this "young superstar".

 

[ron86]

Honeslty, feck Garnacho. Spoiled, arrogant brat. Doesn't have the goods to back his attitude.

It's very telling that we have nobody knocking on our door for this "young superstar".

There was people on here adamant he shouldn't be sold for any less than 80m+.
You would think the fact he's available for half that, every club in the world would be desperate for his signature

 

[Ekeke]

To those who continue to support the entitled man baby. Garnacho has today posted an Instagram post wearing a Villa Rashford 9 shirt. Classy. I'm sure his apologists will just point to him being young and passionate. He's disrespectful, divisive and an utter coward. Cannot wait for him to leave our great club.

Can you point out whats so bad about this?

He's clearly just supporting Rashford, a Manchester United teammate who we chose to loan out to Villa last season

He hasnt posted "freedom" or something

 

[AdNani]

Can you point out whats so bad about this?

He's clearly just supporting Rashford, a Manchester United teammate who we chose to loan out to Villa last season

He hasnt posted "freedom" or something

Yes I'm sure it's just an innocent supporting of teammates and he at no point knew of the optics or how people would react.

He's a bellend, has been for quite some time. Whether it's liking fecking Goldbridge tweets criticising Ten Hag for substituting him. (2 different tweets) Or Liking a Romano tweet where Ronaldo criticised the manager. Or doing an interview after we lost a European final because after a season of him stinking the fecking place out and missing golden opportunities constantly a manager had the audacity not to start him.

I haven't even got on to his brother

 

[Ekeke]

Yes I'm sure it's just an innocent supporting of teammates and he at no point knew of the optics or how people would react.

He's a bellend, has been for quite some time. Whether it's liking fecking Goldbridge tweets criticising Ten Hag for substituting him. (2 different tweets) Or Liking a Romano tweet where Ronaldo criticised the manager. Or doing an interview after we lost a European final because after a season of him stinking the fecking place out and missing golden opportunities constantly a manager had the audacity not to start him.

I haven't even got on to his brother

Why does he need to care about optics? If people want to be upset they'll be upset.

His brother has actually said stuff so fair enough.

 

[The Hilton]

Blessing in disguise if this guy is staying. Despite some shortcomings - understadable given his age - he is still the most dangerous United attacking player, and I include Amad and Cunha in that evaluation.

Not sure why he has been pushed out, I cant see it being strictly a business reason. There must have been some bust up with Rubén otherwise there is zero reason for the club and coach willing to get rid.

Are you able to explain how you've come to this conclusion? The stats certainly don't support it, neither does the eye test really.