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5.7 Season Average Rating
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8
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I genuinely wonder what it would take for some of the Garnacho fans to realise he's simply not good enough.

It's very clear that his current performances are nowhere near good enough, statistically he's not even in the top 20 wingers in the league which is a fairly shocking number. But anytime his performances are criticised one response that you're guaranteed to see is "he's only 20" but even when you compare his performances to other wingers his age he's significantly worse.

Here's a comparison of him vs some wingers his age and younger. If I start to include players 2 years older like Saka/Palmer etc it just get's embarrassing.

https://postimg.cc/D82f2Jy1
 
His critisism is justified, however the guy is top of the team both in goals scored (8) and in G+A (12) so far. These numbers are not jaw dropping by any means, but all the other players are below (and everyone apart from Bruno are way below)
 
He's 20 ffs. The level of criticism aimed at a player still learning and developing is fecking obscene.

We don't deserve nice things.
 
He's very wasteful but he has so much good to his game at a young age.

Never stops working, intense running, head hardly drops, his numbers are decent and his ability to beat a man is vital. Not worried at all and ideally we would have an experienced attacker he could share minutes with...
 
His critisism is justified, however the guy is top of the team both in goals scored (8) and in G+A (12) so far. These numbers are not jaw dropping by any means, but all the other players are below (and everyone apart from Bruno are way below)

This is something rashford struggled with. For a few years rashford was our most likely attacker to score, so when he had a bad game people went in on him, forgetting other players were almost always useless.

Garnacho is still developing but he's been our most prolific attacker this season, he's not the issue, the others have been. If he keeps this goals and assists up over the season he will end up on over 30 g+a, I don't think he will but it's a solid start.

Hopefully he gets rotated a bit because he's still only 20, should be being managed.
 
I genuinely wonder what it would take for some of the Garnacho fans to realise he's simply not good enough.

It's very clear that his current performances are nowhere near good enough, statistically he's not even in the top 20 wingers in the league which is a fairly shocking number. But anytime his performances are criticised one response that you're guaranteed to see is "he's only 20" but even when you compare his performances to other wingers his age he's significantly worse.

Here's a comparison of him vs some wingers his age and younger. If I start to include players 2 years older like Saka/Palmer etc it just get's embarrassing.

https://postimg.cc/D82f2Jy1
Maybe people aren't "Garnacho fans" and are just fans of Manchester United that want to see an academy graduate do well.

Maybe they see a player that was thrown in at the deep end at 18 and has done reasonably well considering the fact the club has been a chaotic mess since he started playing.

Maybe people remember Ronaldo who was inconsistent as hell until his 4th season and appreciate that young players develop at different speeds.

Maybe they think criticism of our current top scorer is a bit odd.

Maybe spending hours analysing a young player so you can reach your own pre determined conclusion that he's shit is a bit embarrassing in itself.
 
I genuinely wonder what it would take for some of the Garnacho fans to realise he's simply not good enough.

It's very clear that his current performances are nowhere near good enough, statistically he's not even in the top 20 wingers in the league which is a fairly shocking number. But anytime his performances are criticised one response that you're guaranteed to see is "he's only 20" but even when you compare his performances to other wingers his age he's significantly worse.

Here's a comparison of him vs some wingers his age and younger. If I start to include players 2 years older like Saka/Palmer etc it just get's embarrassing.

https://postimg.cc/D82f2Jy1
Speaking of embarrassing…
 
The Caf is a fubby virtual place to spend time. They don’t want to buy players over 28 as they are done and dusted, ancient as they say. You don’t want a 20 year old as they are too erratic. Thus, you have the perfect window of signing players between 23-26.

Garnacho is a great 20 year old. He isn’t world class by now, but he will most likely develop. Only very few are superstars at 20. The vast majority has a completely different trajectory, be it football, basketball or music, work life or whatever,but we love our wonder kids. However, we enjoy even more to get on their backs when they are not a consistent Messi.
 
The Caf is a fubby virtual place to spend time. They don’t want to buy players over 28 as they are done and dusted, ancient as they say. You don’t want a 20 year old as they are too erratic. Thus, you have the perfect window of signing players between 23-26.

Garnacho is a great 20 year old. He isn’t world class by now, but he will most likely develop. Only very few are superstars at 20. The vast majority has a completely different trajectory, be it football, basketball or music, work life or whatever,but we love our wonder kids. However, we enjoy even more to get on their backs when they are not a consistent Messi.

I think it would be better to say Garnacho may develop rather than he will most likely develop. In their youth many thought Quaresma would be as good as Ronaldo.

You are right development is not linear, everyone has a different trajectory. There's no telling if Garnacho will iron out the issues with his decision making. You hope he will but it's on him to get his head up.

Garnacho could be a world beater. He has all the gifts. However, so did Hatem Ben Arfa. So did Denilson.

In Amorim's system there's only really one role for him so he needs to step up.
 
I genuinely wonder what it would take for some of the Garnacho fans to realise he's simply not good enough.

It's very clear that his current performances are nowhere near good enough, statistically he's not even in the top 20 wingers in the league which is a fairly shocking number. But anytime his performances are criticised one response that you're guaranteed to see is "he's only 20" but even when you compare his performances to other wingers his age he's significantly worse.

Here's a comparison of him vs some wingers his age and younger. If I start to include players 2 years older like Saka/Palmer etc it just get's embarrassing.

https://postimg.cc/D82f2Jy1

Are you taking the piss? Olise is 2 years older than Garnacho and Doué stats are comparing him with other midfielders, not wingers. Which is a good thing for Doué and his - checks notes - 1 assist and 0 goals in 13 games so far this season.

Which means - if we actually compare like with like - you’ve gone to all that trouble to ‘prove’ that Garnacho gets on the ball less - but produces more - than a wide forward in a Pep Guardiola team (er, no shit) and he isn’t as good as Lamal, the most freakishly talented young footballer since Lionel Messi.

Weird post.
 
Hopefully he becomes more clinical in front of goal. What I can’t stand is the selfishness
 
I think that unfortunately hes been allowed to develop a little bit in a similar vein to Rashford. A bright spark who can change games on his own when the rest of the team is underperforming. The issue is that you turn into a one dimensional player who only thinks about changing a game on your own and in a proper team that is detrimental to the whole. He needs direction and some constraints put on him by the manager. After last night I think that Amorim has certainly started to do that. Needs to learn when to stick and when to twist and needs to work on his finishing. Still a young player. Still have high hopes for him.
 
I don't mind attackers missing a few chances when they are scoring at a good rate (which it's worth remembering he is). Moments like this absolutely have to stop happening so regularly though.


This moment, in particular, drove me fecking mental. Thought he had a decent game overall but Christ, that shit should be a droppable offense.
 
He just needs to be coached on choice selection when finishing. He goes for high tariff finishes too often, he can definitely be coached to favour a nice low side foot finish in most cases, he'll be fine. Last night there was a big difference in him making good passing choices, he's young and still has plenty of time to learn.
 
What a strange post. He's still working hard but his finishing is a bit off atm. Comparisons with Rashford are wrong as it can get.
Both are playing for themselves and not for the team and anytime people criticise their performances, people will just point to their end product, when it’s just not sustainable.

It’s the same shit all over. He needs to be coached better and not be so one dimensional. Rashford was an exciting talent when he first burst on, but we all know what happened.
 
Both are playing for themselves and not for the team and anytime people criticise their performances, people will just point to their end product, when it’s just not sustainable.

It’s the same shit all over.
Garnacho is certainly not playing for himself, plus he's a lot younger.
 
For his current shortcomings, he runs and runs and runs and his defensive work is improving.
 
Taking stupid shots when his teammates are in a far better position must be best for the team than
No but pressing, opening up for good positions and passes is. I think you're mixing things a bit.
 
In my eyes he is a better wing back than Amad. I really hope he switches each of their roles.

He has much more defensive capacity in comparison to Amad who should take one of the inverted AM spots further up the pitch because his decision making is better aswell.

I wonder if Amorim is purposely playing worse LWB's because he is trying to get the board to maybe target somebody but id really like to see Garnacho at LWB.
 
I wouldn't mind selling him in the summer, if Amorim is here for the long-term and we won't play with traditional wingers anymore. I'm not saying he's bad, although he was massively overhyped last year and in his first season too, but I just don't see a real place for him in this system. Maybe Atletico or PSG would be interested.

Same as Rashford. Development stagnanted but people ignored the signs because he’s scoring goals. In a year or two, that’ll stop too but the club would have already given him a contract which makes moving him on impossible.

I still think he has hope, but he needs to be benched every time he takes a stupid shot over passing to his teammate who’s in a better position.

Sorry, but that's just a really uninformed and lazy take, mate. He's on 50k per week. I'd take a blind guess and say there are probably 30+ clubs around Europe who would be willing to pay him that money. The better question is how many teams would be willing to offer us a £40-50m transfer fee for him.

I think it would be better to say Garnacho may develop rather than he will most likely develop. In their youth many thought Quaresma would be as good as Ronaldo.

You are right development is not linear, everyone has a different trajectory. There's no telling if Garnacho will iron out the issues with his decision making. You hope he will but it's on him to get his head up.

Garnacho could be a world beater. He has all the gifts. However, so did Hatem Ben Arfa. So did Denilson.

In Amorim's system there's only really one role for him so he needs to step up.

He has all the gifts to become a world beater? That's exactly what I mean by saying he's been massively overrated by most United fans. I think his ceiling is a solid 15-20 G/A Premier League winger, but that's hardly being a world beater. That's probably the level of post-City Sterling, United Sancho, Trossard, Mitoma, Barnes, Johnson, etc.

Do you really think he can reach Salah or Saka level, from the current best PL wingers? Or peak Son / Mané from a bit further back?

He doesn't have exceptional pace, power, ball-carrying, shooting, passing, small space manipulation, etc. IMO. His best trait is probably his relentlessness and never giving up, and I'll give him that these are valuable things, but world beater? I hope so, but I don't see it.

I've argued on here in the last ~12 months that he's the least talented player from our U21 group of Mainoo, Hojlund, and Garnacho. Argued that he's at best our 3rd best winger behind Amad and Rashford. Also never understood posters saying he's up there with our best youth prospects of the post-Ferguson era, in terms or raw talent: Martial, Greenwood, Rashford, even Januzaj, etc. I just don't see what qualities he has that puts him into this elite category that has all the tools to become one of the best players of their generation, based on how gifted they are.

I'd like to hear some posters say what do they think Garnacho has that could elevate him to that level within the next ~3-4 years.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see him surprise me and reach that level, but I think it's more likely we'll either sell him within the next 3 seasons, or he just becomes a good, long servant to the club with a consistent, and respectable, but absolutely not elite level output every season. That would still be a great career and he would be remembered as a good, solid player who succeeded in the Premier League for many years, but was never one of the best players in it. This season he's been stat-padding a lot in weaker competitions, too.

PS: As one of the #10s in our current setup, I think Bruno, Mount, and Amad are all better options currently. Maybe Mainoo as well. Zirkzee and Rashford debatable.
 
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Same as Rashford. Development stagnanted but people ignored the signs because he’s scoring goals. In a year or two, that’ll stop too but the club would have already given him a contract which makes moving him on impossible.

I still think he has hope, but he needs to be benched every time he takes a stupid shot over passing to his teammate who’s in a better position.

Isn't it normal for someone with less than 2 full seasons under his belt and at 20 years old to have some development dips?
 
The fact that he gets into these goalscoring positions is 100x more important than clinical ability at his stage of development. The latter can come and lead to sudden jump in goals scored in time. In the meantime we as a team need to create many more goal scoring chances so that our results aren’t dependent on 1-2 chances alone.
 
Take him out of the side and watch out attacking threat go downhill.

He's going to make mistakes but he keeps trying, doesn't shirk responsibility, tracks back more often than not, and makes things happen.
 
He's 20 years old lads, Jesus Christ. Some of the opinions in here are crazy.
 
Garnacho is very good. Consistently looks like our most threatening attacker, even at 20 years old. His decision making needs to improve but this can come with more experience. He works hard and runs for the full 90 minutes. He leaves everything out there... I really don't know what more you could want from a young player without getting in to expectations that aren't realistic. He deserves more support than he's getting.

When I was a young kid who first fell in love with United... I loved watching players like Garnacho. I'm glad many of our young fans feel the same.
 
It's always the same.

  • Young player comes in, is an unknown entity, does well against the opposition because they underestimate him, has a good season.
  • Next season opposition treat him as a threat, he's not as effective anymore, confidence gets knocked, makes him appear worse than he is
  • idiot fans pile on calling him a fraud, not good enough etc etc.
He's 20. He should be playing sporadically, not being relied upon to be a fulcrum of our turd of a team.
 
His critisism is justified, however the guy is top of the team both in goals scored (8) and in G+A (12) so far. These numbers are not jaw dropping by any means, but all the other players are below (and everyone apart from Bruno are way below)

His goals so far this season have been in the charity shield , in the last minute vs Southampton when we're already winning the game 2-0, then 2 goals and 2 assists against barnsley (one third of his season total) One goal vs brentford. 1g and 1a vs Leicester in the cup, when they rested 9 starters. Another goal vs Leicester in the PL where we're already winning 2-0 and he now refuses to celebrate, then a goal vs Bodoe which is tap in from a goalkeeper howler.

He has 3 premier league goals this season with 2 of them in the last few minutes of games we're already winning by 2 goals.

His overall performances have been dire and this is reflected with any in depth analysis of his game in comparison to actual elite level wingers his age like Savio/Olise etc

I've posted his stats in all attacking areas multiple times now and he's just miles behind these players in all attaking metrics like Dribbling/chances creation/key passes/progressive passes/assists you name it.

When I compare Garnacho to elite level wingers just a few years older the numbers just get embarrassing. He's not good enough to start for United and he's also not performing even close to the level of other young wingers his age who are genuinely elite.
 
It's always the same.

  • Young player comes in, is an unknown entity, does well against the opposition because they underestimate him, has a good season.
  • Next season opposition treat him as a threat, he's not as effective anymore, confidence gets knocked, makes him appear worse than he is
  • idiot fans pile on calling him a fraud, not good enough etc etc.
He's 20. He should be playing sporadically, not being relied upon to be a fulcrum of our turd of a team.

Agree with most of what you say except the age part.
Saka at Arsenal was relied upon from 19, then there are players like Yamal, Musiala, Mbappe, Bellingham list goes on. If you are good enough then it doesn't matter
Garnacho is going through a dip in form, its pretty normal for players his age, no big deal as long as the club and coaching staff deal with it properly
Saying that, even in poor form he is a big threat to the opposition
 
Are you taking the piss? Olise is 2 years older than Garnacho and Doué stats are comparing him with other midfielders, not wingers. Which is a good thing for Doué and his - checks notes - 1 assist and 0 goals in 13 games so far this season.

Which means - if we actually compare like with like - you’ve gone to all that trouble to ‘prove’ that Garnacho gets on the ball less - but produces more - than a wide forward in a Pep Guardiola team (er, no shit) and he isn’t as good as Lamal, the most freakishly talented young footballer since Lionel Messi.

Weird post.

I used Olise as an example since we were linked with him and if I run the same data for when he was 20 he's miles ahead of Garnacho.

The statistics I cited are for the last 1 year worth of play. So 90% of the games played by Savio and Doue were for Girona and Rennes where both of them- checks notes- massively outperformed Garnacho.
 
He's very wasteful, but for his age, hes extremely talented. Theres potential in there to be a world class player down the line..

He needs to start listening and learning though. If he doesnt and begins to think hes too good to learn, he'll be forever making bad on field decisions.

Even with the bad choices, hes still our biggest threat when attacking, he's just so direct, which I love. Imagine he starts learning and improving his game, the lad could be unstoppable
 
Very strange player.

He has both little actual quality and also obviously huge potential, at the same time.

He lacks real elite speed, he lacks top dribbling ability and is a very wasteful finisher. But the fact is, whatever we are playing like as a team, nobody gets into goalscoring situations as frequently as him. He’s probably amongst the highest in the PL even. He has several shots on goal per game, for a team that struggles, so it’s obvious to see what could happen if things suddenly started going a lot better. That said, he lacks top quality to me.